Broken bone advice needed

[Deena]

Can someone help me out with the best protocol for optimal healing of
a spiral fracture to the left middle metacarpal bone in a 15 yo
male "intense" athlete? My goal is speedy and complete healing. So
he will hopefully be able to start pre-season football training with
the rest of the team in mid-august.

The injury occurred a few nights ago. Sliding into home playing
baseball. (he was safe. that always seems the 1st question folks
ask - lol) I was not informed of the injury until 12 hrs later. So
got a late start on getting arnica started. He did refuse all
pain/inflammation meds at the hospital. The only treatment initially
approved was ice, an x-ray and soft cast.

I continued arnica until we could see the ortho surgeon for a more
detailed eval. Starting with 30C. Then giving 1 dose of 200C since
pain and swelling was getting worse. Once the bone was set and hard
casted, I switched to symphytum. With the plan to dose him daily at
night. As this remedy seems the best fit for his symptoms. He's had
two doses of sym 30C so far. Given once daily, in an MS, at night.

I've tried to research on my own. Info seems conflicting. Some
alternate arnica and symphytum until the fracture is completely
healed. Others just use symphytum, but with different potencies and
different dosing schedules. So I'm hoping some can give me better
direction on what I really should be doing for maximum results.

I have symphytum 30C and 12C available. Is one better than the
other? How often and for how long should I be giving? My son really
isn't showing many physical symptoms to work with. I'm going mostly
by what the x-ray and orthopod said was wrong.

Should I continue Arnica? Currently I'm only giving him symphytum.

I've seen Calc Phos be recommended several times. Should I be using
this? At what potency, dosing schedule, for how long, etc? Would I
use this with the others, or instead of?

Are their any dietary do's and don'ts I should be following?
I've increased the amount of fish oil he takes and make sure he's
getting calcium from food. He's a pretty healthy eater for a US
teenager.

Some have recommended bone building supplements. Should I be looking
at these or hope that his food will cover all his nutritional bases?
The one our homeopathic pharmacy recommended for him is OsteoPrime
Forte by PhytoPharmica. A division of Enzymatic Therapy, Inc.
Formulated to "Preserve mineral mass and promote the body's bone-
repair functions"
http://www.phytopharmica.com/go/Phytoph ... etail.aspx?
alias=Phytopharmica&tabalias=productDetail&partcode=17722&sc=True

TIA for any guidance folks can offer.

Deena

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Deena,
What's he having in the way of pain or other symptoms--that is,
anything that's different from his usual, whether discomfort, moods,
thirst / appetite / sleep / food preferences, anything? Does he (or do
you) notice any specific changes after he takes symphytum?
Shannon

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

I would stay with Symph 12 - see how it affects the pain for evaluation of effectiveness.
Soroush

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Subject: [Minutus] Broken bone advice needed
Can someone help me out with the best protocol for optimal healing of
a spiral fracture to the left middle metacarpal bone in a 15 yo
male "intense" athlete? My goal is speedy and complete healing. So
he will hopefully be able to start pre-season football training with
the rest of the team in mid-august.

The injury occurred a few nights ago. Sliding into home playing
baseball. (he was safe. that always seems the 1st question folks
ask - lol) I was not informed of the injury until 12 hrs later. So
got a late start on getting arnica started. He did refuse all
pain/inflammation meds at the hospital. The only treatment initially
approved was ice, an x-ray and soft cast.

I continued arnica until we could see the ortho surgeon for a more
detailed eval. Starting with 30C. Then giving 1 dose of 200C since
pain and swelling was getting worse. Once the bone was set and hard
casted, I switched to symphytum. With the plan to dose him daily at
night. As this remedy seems the best fit for his symptoms. He's had
two doses of sym 30C so far. Given once daily, in an MS, at night.

I've tried to research on my own. Info seems conflicting. Some
alternate arnica and symphytum until the fracture is completely
healed. Others just use symphytum, but with different potencies and
different dosing schedules. So I'm hoping some can give me better
direction on what I really should be doing for maximum results.

I have symphytum 30C and 12C available. Is one better than the
other? How often and for how long should I be giving? My son really
isn't showing many physical symptoms to work with. I'm going mostly
by what the x-ray and orthopod said was wrong.

Should I continue Arnica? Currently I'm only giving him symphytum.

I've seen Calc Phos be recommended several times. Should I be using
this? At what potency, dosing schedule, for how long, etc? Would I
use this with the others, or instead of?

Are their any dietary do's and don'ts I should be following?
I've increased the amount of fish oil he takes and make sure he's
getting calcium from food. He's a pretty healthy eater for a US
teenager.

Some have recommended bone building supplements. Should I be looking
at these or hope that his food will cover all his nutritional bases?
The one our homeopathic pharmacy recommended for him is OsteoPrime
Forte by PhytoPharmica. A division of Enzymatic Therapy, Inc.
Formulated to "Preserve mineral mass and promote the body's bone-
repair functions"
http://www.phytopharmica.com/go/Phytoph ... etail.aspx?
alias=Phytopharmica&tabalias=productDetail&partcode=17722&sc=True

TIA for any guidance folks can offer.

Deena
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[Tanya Marquette]

i have had good success with arnica at first to remove the shock
followed by symph 30c 3x/daily which seems to work pretty quickly.
do this for about 1 week and then back off.
the different suggestions just go to show that there is more than 1 road
to success
tanya

[Rochelle]

I always prescribe Symphytum 6 - three times a days for 2 or 3 weeks alternating with Calc Phos in Cell salts. Symph 12 will be fine.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[J.VENKATASUBRAMANIAN]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Deena" wrote:
.

So far I think you have done better with Arnica and Symph. And it is better to be in this schedule unless the patient 'does' something unusually or 'behaves' out of sync with his normal state ( and of course only when outside the symptomatology of arn and symph and, which, would mean a 'different' thing. )

Yes, Calc phos 3x or 6 x is an added benefit. Among the modern writers, I have seen Dr Luc support this idea.

Venkat

[Gail]

Hi Deena,

Calc Phos is recommended because Calcium and Phosphorus as the basic
building blocks for bone. You also find Magnesium in the bones and
Silica is involved in bone strength and is known as the sculptor because
it organises Calcium. A tissue salt that included all of these would
probably be more helpful than straight Calcium which should always be
taken as part of a balanced supplement. Especially make sure there is
enough Vitamins D and K around.

The other Nutritional supplement that gets good results is Glucosamine
with Chondroitin These supply the body with the basic building blocks
for repair and restoration of tissues in general, and bone and cartilage
in particular.

Something else that helps is enough movement to stimulate blood supply
and give the body the message that the bone needs to strengthen but not
so much that the damage is increased. Once the cast is off and exercise
is restarted a good body worker should check it out to make sure all the
muscles and tendons are running in the right places.

But also consider that sometimes we should listen to messages to slow
down instead of trying to power on as though we are superheroes.

Gail

[Tanya Marquette]

calcium is a double edged sword. while necessary for bone, in too large
or imbalanced amounts will increase the brittleness of bone. the other minerals
are part of creating flexibility in the bone.
symphytum is comfrey which has a very high mineral content--which may be why
it works so well
tanya

[J.VENKATASUBRAMANIAN]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "tamarque@..." wrote:
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You mean to say the use of Calc Phos in a fracture of this kind is not Homepathic ? I also do. A fracture is mechanical and like most mechanical ones the best cure has to come from within.

Venkat

[Shannon Nelson]

Again, I'm puzzled that this is being addressed by philosophy rather
than by noting and comparing *symptoms*. Does he have pain?
Restlessness? Any changes in anything? If so, these can be used both
to choose and to evaluate the appropriateness of the remedy (if it
doesn't help the *symptoms*, it seems unlikely it will be helping the
bone!) If there are no symptoms--as may be the case with a healthy
kid--then (a) there may be no need for *any* remedy, and (b) in that
case, but if you feel like using something for "insurance", symphytum
IMO seems best choice, because of having the broadest array of healing
factors in it.

OTOH calc phos is not infrequently needed in adolescents anyway, and
in that case it would certainly make sense to give it, and could help
speed healing--but I would only continue to give it *if* there is a
noticeable improvement in the symptom picture (whether acute or
chronic).

But Venkat, I'd note that it's not a *purely* mechanical issue, in that
for its repair the body needs to do a lot of nutrient transport etc.,
which can definitely go better or less well, depending on the
functional state of the body, and depending on nutrients available.
Using e.g. calc phos "for broken bones" is not homeopathic, but using
calc phos "for a particular symptom picture" (of which broken bone
might be part) certainly would be.

Best wishes,
Shannon