crataegus

[tracy poizner]

This is one of my great unanswered questions - how to
use Crataegus in homoeopathy. There is an excellent
article on this remedy available from Homeoint.org
from Anschutz New Old and Forgotten Remedies. The
provings of Crataegus created a reduction in blood
pressure, so it would seem that if we wish to use it
'homoeopathically', it should correspond to cases of
low blood pressure. If we wish to use it as a heart
tonic to achieve lower pulse rate or B.P. we should
use it in tincture form as a herbal medicine. On the
other hand, a practitioner colleague reports excellent
results in that regard with a 30c aqueous dose! Maybe
this is really obvious, but I have been puzzling over
it for some time.
I am very interested to know what others think about
the mixed symptom picture of this remedy in the
Materia Medica - mixed up proving symptoms together
with symptoms cured by prolonged administration of
herbal tincture. Are there any other remedies recorded
this way in our MM?
This is a small snipped from the Anshutz article:

"This is another point in common
with the results obtained in both provings and is
exactly in accord with clinical experience,
which is to the effect that,
therapeutically, far better results are obtained with
doses of the tincture, varying anywhere from
five to twenty drops, than from
dilutions.
The writer has had considerable
clinical experience with the remedy and has never seen
any results follow the
administration of any of the
dilutions ; this same opinion is held by others."

Regards,
Tracy Poizner
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[Wendy Howard]

Hi Tracey
If Crataegus can regularise both high and low BP then it seems likely to be
an example of the many instances in many remedies where polarities can be
found. These don't always appear in the initial provings, but will be found
in subsequent clinical cases. It may help to think of it in terms of being a
remedy that can affect BP, rather than being "for" either hyper- or
hypotension.

Regards
Wendy

[Rochelle]

Dear Tracy ,
The way I see it is that it has a balancing effect on the BP - if too high
it will also lower it!! I give in the Herbal Tincture form.
Regards,
Rochelle
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[Rosemary Hyde]

I agree that it seems paradoxical that the symptoms treated by the crude
herb are also treated by the potentized remedy. However, this is
consistently true, at least for remedies that have been used traditionally
as herbal medicines. I know potentized remedies are supposed to address the
secondary symptoms produced by crude substances, but in fact, as you
noticed, they often seem to address primary symptoms as well.

I too will be interested in how our more experienced colleagues explain this
apparent contradictions.

Rosemary Hyde

[Farbod Rahnamai]

Dear Tracy, Rosemary
I read the article on : http://homeoint.org/seror/patho1900/cratoxy.htm . First of all I have to mention that we had a lot of these problems in our Materia Medica. We have a lot of MMs which are copied. In many of them there is no distinction between clinical Sx. and proving Sx. , no distinction between primary and secondary action. To avoid misunderstanding we can use Proving references such as Hering, Allen, MM PURA, CHRONIC DISEASE of HMN, and DRUG PATHOGENESIS of HUGHES. Unfortunately first CRATAEGUS proving was in 1901 and we can find nothing about it in the above mentioned books.
You wrote: I know potentized remedies are supposed to address the
Lets take a look at Organon (aphorism 63):
"Every AGENT that acts upon the vitality, every medicine, deranges more or less the vital force, and causes a certain alteration in the health of the individual for a longer or a shorter period. This is termed primary action. Although a product of the medicinal and vital powers conjointly, it is principally due to the former power. To its action our vital force endeavors to oppose its own energy. This resistant action is a property, is indeed an automatic action of our life-preserving power, which goes by the name of secondary action or counteraction."

As we see the exeact frase is "EVERY AGENT" not every herbal medicine or potentized remedy. It means that every non remedial agent like burning hand with fire can cause some changes in vital force. We categorize these changes into two parts: primary action and secondary action. This agent can be a potentized remedy, herbal medicin physical or emotional damage. Thus a potentized remedy has both of primary and secondary action. Also a crude herbal medicine has both of them. Hahnemann himself has cured a lot of his patient with homeopathic crude remedies ( untill 1825). But the problem is: when we use a crued remedy its primary action may be so severe that cause damage , that is why we prefer to use potentized diluted remedies.

In a proving we have primary and secondary action both. But we only need to know primary action. A usefull Materia medica is the one which only addresses PRIMARY ACTION OF REMEDY.

Sincerely

Farbod

[cmbyrd50]

Could someone tell me what the mother tincture Crataegus
is good for.
thanks, Colleen

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Starter for making potentised remedies ?? )

According to J H Clarke it is HEART Medicine usually 5 drop doses of mother
tincture in cases of heart failure

As opposed to Digitalis which is a heart poison, Crat has a positive action
on heart failure eg valvular affections.

Critical symptom is heart failure threatened from least exertion
"Respiration is laboured and irregular. Heart action greatly exaggerated and
erratic."

Rgds
Soroush

[Shannon Nelson]

Also--Crataegus is hawthorne berry, which is edible--a friendly little
nutritive, according to my understanding! And yes, good for heart and
circulation.
Shannon

[Rochelle Marsden]

I use Crateagus MT to bring down cholesterol and high blood pressure.

Rochelle

[Dr. Atiq Ahmad Bhatti]

Remember that Crateagus is a remedy for CONSTRICTION, hence its use as a
tonic for the heart and for blood pressure. It removes any constriction that
may exist.
Futhermore, it can be used for NON HEART related symptoms that match
constriction, such as uterine.
The profile of this remedy is not just heart. It is only because many of the
text books refer to it as heart tonic that is has been used for this alone,
but reading into the remedy will show its usage elsewhere in varying cases
that have constriction attached to it.
Atiq
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I use Crateagus MT to bring down cholesterol and high blood pressure.

Rochelle