Messed up case?- Update

[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

Yes, Marco, except there are many variables so that biopsy is not always an
accurate indicator -- I know that's the standard medical thought. New
research is showing this is not true.

Rosemary
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[Shannon Nelson]

Isn't Ensure based on milk and sugar??? Unless I'm misremembering, I
think there are other products that would do MUCH better for her! Here
there are numerous ones sold in health food stores and/or thru
chiropractors, NDs, etc., that are more whole-foods based, better
balanced, and sugar-free.

(Or, maybe the product you have in mind is different from the one I'm
remembering.)

Shannon

[Rochelle]

What's wrong with sugar or milk if she is not sensitive to these? She basically needs fattening up after losing so much weight and these do have all essential Vits and minerals in them and are high calorie.
At the moment we don't know why she is getting these "shooting" pains.
What other ones do you know?
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

I agree milk is okay for some (most?) people, tho I don't think it
should be a *major* part of most people's diets. But *canned* milk...
I'm skeptical, but I guess I can try to keep an open mind on that part.
Sugar, tho, is a different matter. Sure it's better than "funny
chemicals" aka "artificial sweeteners" (for many situations), but it's
the absolutely classic example--along with "white flour"--of a refined,
denatured, and non-health-supporting *so-called* food. "Empty
calories" and all that. Okay, they've added back a few vitamins, and
okay, there's fat attached. (What's the fatty acid profile of that
fat, by the way?) But any time you refine a food down to its "zing"
factor (sort of like gastronomic pornography)--in this case the
sweetness--while removing everything that made it *food*, and truly
nourishing, and then add back a few isolated random "nutrients", well,
I just can't think that it's going to support or rebuild good health,
and especially not in a growing child.

She needs a *full* range of nutrients, including the "trace" ones, and
the "supporting" and "co-factor" and "micro" ones. She needs *food*,
not a few isolated macro- and micronutrients taken out-of-context.

If it were my child or patient, let me think what I would do...
Well, I'd make smoothies. Using whatever combination she likes, of
ingredients such as fresh and frozen fruit, raw eggs (if they have a
source of non-cage eggs), yogurt, protein powders made from perhaps
whey or goat milk or rice; I'd supplement oil with fish oil (flavored
cod liver oil by the tsp or Tbsp if she's willing; capsules if not),
and/or oils of coconut (delicious on toast and hot cereal). I'd
experiment with spirulina (tasty in diluted pineapple juice, fi she
doesn't mind the bright green color! And extremely nutritious). The
idea of a small number of regular choices is probably good, rather than
making her figure out what she wants each time; yet having *some*
choice.

A predigested protein source might make a big difference for her. Raw
egg smoothies could meet that need (I'm aware of, and not dismissing,
the salmonella issue; my kids and I eat them, as I have done for 30
years. In my first year with them, when my need was highest, I needed
at least 5 raw eggs per day), but there are also various products made
from hydrolyzed (or other methods of breaking down) collagen, which for
some people are hugely beneficial; Goatein or spirulina might do the
same job with a more agreeable taste.

I'd see whether magnesium helps the constipation--and if it does, it
might help her in other ways as well.

I'd try her with all sorts of high-nutrient, whole-food supplements,
focusing especially on high-quality protein and EFA balance, and see
which she feels comfortable with and drawn to. I'd focus on how she
feels, and her energy levels, rather than on weight per se, and I'd
focus on broad spectrum of nutrients, good-quality highly digestible
protein, and appropriate balance of EFAs, rather than on calories.

If Ensure is really the best that I could get down her, I would try to
supplement that with algaes and other sources of micronutrients, and I
would make plain to her that this is a *temporary* step, and as soon as
she's able, we'd like to replace it with *real* foods. I'd try to
engage her in the process of looking for acceptable alternatives, try
to sort of make a game of it, or an adventure. (If she's willing.)

Well, I guess that's my basic position. I do realize that this
approach is a lot more work than just handing her cans of Ensure, but i
do think it would be well worth it for many reasons.
Cheers,
Shannon

[Rochelle]

Dear Shannon,
Thanks and you have given lots of good ideas there. The idea at the moment is to get something down her before the pain start and prevent her wanting anything else. It is also worrying that she says she gets the pains before eating as well now. Mum and I did talk about whether it could be psychological but Mum says she actually changes facially when in pain and gets discolouration under the eyes and goes very pale although when I saw her she was a picture of health!!
We were just going to try 1 can of strawberry Ensure to see how she handled it. It is interesting that the child herself says that her favourite food is those disgusting quick cook noodles in a packet with disgusting MSG sachet of flavouring!!!! I gave mum to try with her some quick cook noodles without the sachet and told mum to put something nutritious on it!! Apparently spaghetti noodles are not the same to her!!!!! Smoothies are an excellent idea.However I think this has been tried and she only managed a few sips. Probiotic yoghurt drinks are a good idea and I wonder whether these have been tried.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

Even if it were psychological, physiological supports could be helpful.

I see what you mean, about getting something down her to stop things
getting worse. But I hope they can find a better option than sugary
canned milk!
something really nutritious. If it's good for her, her body will
recognize that and she'll get used to it; and her body may need to gain
the familiarity slowly. I'd say make a small drink, let her drink
however much she feels inclined, maybe come back to it over an hour or
so, then toss what's left. Try different things, and let her decide
what feels best to her--and have the parents notice what seems to help
and sustain her, as those might or might not be the same.

I'd just re-emphasize, tho, that a highly digestible *high*-protein
source is probably important for her. She needs protein to rebuild, as
well as to form digestive enzymes; and it *may* be lack of protein (or
something related to that) that got her to this position. High protein
would mean something more than milk or yogurt...

And once you nail that remedy, likely all of this becomes irrelevant--I
hope that works out soon!!

I wonder if one of the herbal "alteratives", e.g. maybe eleuthro or
ginseng??? I'm not sure which are appropriate for kids, tho.
Shannon

[Rochelle]

Just seen Mum and she gave the child 2 doses of Morgan Gaertner!! I had given her a packet of Carb Veg and told her to give the child 3 doses and one of Morgan gaertner to keep in!!! Yesterday she had pain and she was called to take her out of school but today she has eaten some lasagne and something else - can't remember so maybe this was a better remedy!!! Mum is going to ask the doctor tomorrow for food allergy tests!! She does eat an Actimel which is a little pot of probiotic yoghurt every day anyway!!
Oh yes meant to say in the last post that the constipation has stopped since the Sulphur 200!! I wonder if the Morgan G will give her diarrhoea?
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

Unfortunately, Ensure, at least in the US, is total junk food -- mostly high fructose corn syrup and a pile of artificial stuff. I find it hard to believe that it's apparently recommended routinely for total nutrition by supposedly expert hospital nutritionists. But it is.
By all means, try to find -- or make -- a nutritional drink that's made from actual foods. Palatibility is always a problem, unfortunately.
Rosemary

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[Leilanae]

Hi Shannon,

I just went to the Ensure website and checked out the ingredients .......... YIKES!!!!!

Leilanae

[Rochelle]

Oh dear - maybe I should do that!!! I don;t think mum has bothered to get any for her as it is rather expensive to buy.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk