layered cases
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Re: layered cases
Joy,
This reads much better,
Ofcoarse we always looking for one remedy.
But this is not always the 'grand constitutional remedy'. Psoric patients
react good and for a long time to one remedy.
But more complicated cases with severe pathology/ multiple miasm need often
another approach.
That's why I asked you, to explain a little more.
People might get the wrong impression.
Thanks for your reply.
Piet
This reads much better,
Ofcoarse we always looking for one remedy.
But this is not always the 'grand constitutional remedy'. Psoric patients
react good and for a long time to one remedy.
But more complicated cases with severe pathology/ multiple miasm need often
another approach.
That's why I asked you, to explain a little more.
People might get the wrong impression.
Thanks for your reply.
Piet
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Re: layered cases
Indeed, Joy - What has happened to the unprejudiced observer? I have heard
so many claim knowledge of such but, I have yet to actually meet one. This
"unprejudiced observer" that you speak of appears to me to be a creature
that, like the Yeti, is much rumored to exist but which offers scant little
to evidence its reality. Being a man of science, however, I waste no
opportunity to track down a lead when it is offered, so, I am quite anxious
to explore what you have written regarding my recent post to the list and
your knowledge of this illusive "unprejudiced observer".
You wrote:
a
and
case
My reply - Analyzing this scientifically and with special attention to logic
and detail, we must note that I originally wrote, as you so graciously
included in your response to my post:
Please note also that I wrote "ALMOST ALWAYS" in LARGE LETTERS so that no
one would miss it. One might reason that I meant thereby to say that "it is
NOT ALWAYS so that there are multiple layers in a case but, IMO, there are
ALMOST ALWAYS multiple layers". By writing in the foregoing manner, one
might reasonably conclude that I have decided nothing beforehand except to
be on the lookout for whatever may pop up, a multilayered case being one
likely possibility. One might also conclude/surmise/wager a guess that
should the particular case prove to be of the layered variety, I would be
prepared for it. Should I discover and register proof that the case might be
(or has been by the grace of kind providence) cured with a single remedy, I
could live with that as well. I am, after all, not wedded to any philosophy,
methodology or scheme. I just tend to go with (or against) the flow and to
do what comes naturally (or unnaturally). I suspect that I am unique in that
regard - perhaps, even unprejudiced . . .
You also wrote:
My reply - May I presume here that you were taking the liberty to speak for
many, if not all of us in this commentary? Some may know their materia
medica well, some may not but, I would not be so presumptuous as to make
such a, what may be fairly termed, prejudicial comment as your preceding.
Were I to do so, I would be concerned that one or another might, justly or
unjustly, proclaim such commentary as prejudicial.
You also wrote:
My reply - I congratulate you on your astounding success rate. I will not
ask how you measure success, as I would guess that we may employ quite
differing standards. I might safely conclude, however, that you do know your
materia medica well, as based on your prior comments, the only thing
preventing a high rate of single remedy cures is a lack of intimacy with
those referenced volumes. In any case, I am sure that I have much to learn
from one who would boast of such a rate. Thank you for sharing.
Finally, you wrote:
My reply - Thank you. I am and I will.
Allen C.
so many claim knowledge of such but, I have yet to actually meet one. This
"unprejudiced observer" that you speak of appears to me to be a creature
that, like the Yeti, is much rumored to exist but which offers scant little
to evidence its reality. Being a man of science, however, I waste no
opportunity to track down a lead when it is offered, so, I am quite anxious
to explore what you have written regarding my recent post to the list and
your knowledge of this illusive "unprejudiced observer".
You wrote:
a
and
case
My reply - Analyzing this scientifically and with special attention to logic
and detail, we must note that I originally wrote, as you so graciously
included in your response to my post:
Please note also that I wrote "ALMOST ALWAYS" in LARGE LETTERS so that no
one would miss it. One might reason that I meant thereby to say that "it is
NOT ALWAYS so that there are multiple layers in a case but, IMO, there are
ALMOST ALWAYS multiple layers". By writing in the foregoing manner, one
might reasonably conclude that I have decided nothing beforehand except to
be on the lookout for whatever may pop up, a multilayered case being one
likely possibility. One might also conclude/surmise/wager a guess that
should the particular case prove to be of the layered variety, I would be
prepared for it. Should I discover and register proof that the case might be
(or has been by the grace of kind providence) cured with a single remedy, I
could live with that as well. I am, after all, not wedded to any philosophy,
methodology or scheme. I just tend to go with (or against) the flow and to
do what comes naturally (or unnaturally). I suspect that I am unique in that
regard - perhaps, even unprejudiced . . .
You also wrote:
My reply - May I presume here that you were taking the liberty to speak for
many, if not all of us in this commentary? Some may know their materia
medica well, some may not but, I would not be so presumptuous as to make
such a, what may be fairly termed, prejudicial comment as your preceding.
Were I to do so, I would be concerned that one or another might, justly or
unjustly, proclaim such commentary as prejudicial.
You also wrote:
My reply - I congratulate you on your astounding success rate. I will not
ask how you measure success, as I would guess that we may employ quite
differing standards. I might safely conclude, however, that you do know your
materia medica well, as based on your prior comments, the only thing
preventing a high rate of single remedy cures is a lack of intimacy with
those referenced volumes. In any case, I am sure that I have much to learn
from one who would boast of such a rate. Thank you for sharing.
Finally, you wrote:
My reply - Thank you. I am and I will.
Allen C.
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Re: layered cases
No, the aphorisms leading up to, and including aphorism 171 -starting at
aphorism 161, comprise a section of Organon subtitles "Treating diseases
with an inadequate stock of medicines" and are discussing "zig-zag"
prescribing toward cure when a "perfectly homeopathic" medicine cannot be
found for various reasons including (at that time) too few proven medicines
exist (perhaps still, in some cases?)
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aphorism 161, comprise a section of Organon subtitles "Treating diseases
with an inadequate stock of medicines" and are discussing "zig-zag"
prescribing toward cure when a "perfectly homeopathic" medicine cannot be
found for various reasons including (at that time) too few proven medicines
exist (perhaps still, in some cases?)
Dave Hartley
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Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284
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layered cases
Thanks Dave,
But I don't think those aphorisms *only* relate to **treating diseases with
an inadequate stock of remedies**. I think there is more to it than that
(and maybe you do too and just didn't say so..).
What I understand, is that we have to keenly observe what is *really going
on in the case*:
We need to understand if:
- previous drugs are involved - if so - try to determine the state before
the drugs were induced; and he gives more guidelines that my oversimplified
one here.
-OR too few symptoms? try to find as suitable a remedy as possible...look at
whats left and then go forward from there;
-OR its a case of psora rearing its ugly head? then try for the most
suitable remedy one can find - then move forward with another remedy later
as the symptoms guide,
-etc, etc, etc.
In §171 - he specifically points at psora (it wasn't related to the previous
§ in-so-much as he was now giving *another example of a type of case which
may not be resolving*...as you said - one of several examples and scenarios
we might
face)...which was my point...that when one has given a remedy and it hasn't
completed the cure - then we have to look at the remaining symptoms after
the previous remedy has completed its action. In the case of psora - just
look at remaining symtpoms... In the very next § he talks about having too
few symptoms to work
with(§181,§182, etc).....*then goes on to talk about one-sided
disease-states..*then accessory
symptoms and so on...
in §179 he says:
"More frequently, however, the medicine first chosen in such a case will be
only partial, that is to say, not exactly suitable, as there was no
considerable number of symptoms to guide to an accurate selection.
§184 says (after he talks about cases with accessory sx, and then cases with
not enough symptoms to prescribe perfectly on):
"In like manner, after each new dose of medicine has exhausted its action,
when it is no longer suitable and helpful, **the state of the disease that
still remains is to be noted anew with respect to its remaining symptoms**,
and **another homeopathic remedy sought for, as suitable as possible for the
group of symptoms now observed, and so on until the recovery is complete.**
My point was that no matter what the reason for incomplete cure (one-sided
disease, not enough symptoms to accurately prescribe on, drug-affected
cases, etc)...he is saying we have to work round it - and he is giving us
examples in *each* of those various scenarios - so that we can try to help
the patient toward cure.
Someone calls it *layers*...another calls it *zig-zagging* to cure. I was
just reading the Organon - and trying to relate to what had been posted
before. Maybe it was oversimplified...and maybe we are really saying the
same thing.......
I'm not so certain that *too few remedies to work with* is the only factor
involved, though, in those §'s .
I'm also not so sure that most cases don't fall into one of those
categories - i.e. are easier than those categories.
How many people are walking around without having had a vaccine, allopathic
drugs, or tell one so few symptoms to work with, etc?? So, I'd hazard a
guess that most cases that present are going to fall into one of those - and
we have to be able to tell what is really going on in order to have a shot
at sorting the case out properly.
This leads me to think about our Case taking skills, Observation kils - or
lack of, Discernment with what is going on, etc... Mebbe I'm wrong in some
aspect...but it's all interesting nevertheless.
Lisa
But I don't think those aphorisms *only* relate to **treating diseases with
an inadequate stock of remedies**. I think there is more to it than that
(and maybe you do too and just didn't say so..).
What I understand, is that we have to keenly observe what is *really going
on in the case*:
We need to understand if:
- previous drugs are involved - if so - try to determine the state before
the drugs were induced; and he gives more guidelines that my oversimplified
one here.
-OR too few symptoms? try to find as suitable a remedy as possible...look at
whats left and then go forward from there;
-OR its a case of psora rearing its ugly head? then try for the most
suitable remedy one can find - then move forward with another remedy later
as the symptoms guide,
-etc, etc, etc.
In §171 - he specifically points at psora (it wasn't related to the previous
§ in-so-much as he was now giving *another example of a type of case which
may not be resolving*...as you said - one of several examples and scenarios
we might
face)...which was my point...that when one has given a remedy and it hasn't
completed the cure - then we have to look at the remaining symptoms after
the previous remedy has completed its action. In the case of psora - just
look at remaining symtpoms... In the very next § he talks about having too
few symptoms to work
with(§181,§182, etc).....*then goes on to talk about one-sided
disease-states..*then accessory
symptoms and so on...
in §179 he says:
"More frequently, however, the medicine first chosen in such a case will be
only partial, that is to say, not exactly suitable, as there was no
considerable number of symptoms to guide to an accurate selection.
§184 says (after he talks about cases with accessory sx, and then cases with
not enough symptoms to prescribe perfectly on):
"In like manner, after each new dose of medicine has exhausted its action,
when it is no longer suitable and helpful, **the state of the disease that
still remains is to be noted anew with respect to its remaining symptoms**,
and **another homeopathic remedy sought for, as suitable as possible for the
group of symptoms now observed, and so on until the recovery is complete.**
My point was that no matter what the reason for incomplete cure (one-sided
disease, not enough symptoms to accurately prescribe on, drug-affected
cases, etc)...he is saying we have to work round it - and he is giving us
examples in *each* of those various scenarios - so that we can try to help
the patient toward cure.
Someone calls it *layers*...another calls it *zig-zagging* to cure. I was
just reading the Organon - and trying to relate to what had been posted
before. Maybe it was oversimplified...and maybe we are really saying the
same thing.......
I'm not so certain that *too few remedies to work with* is the only factor
involved, though, in those §'s .
I'm also not so sure that most cases don't fall into one of those
categories - i.e. are easier than those categories.
How many people are walking around without having had a vaccine, allopathic
drugs, or tell one so few symptoms to work with, etc?? So, I'd hazard a
guess that most cases that present are going to fall into one of those - and
we have to be able to tell what is really going on in order to have a shot
at sorting the case out properly.
This leads me to think about our Case taking skills, Observation kils - or
lack of, Discernment with what is going on, etc... Mebbe I'm wrong in some
aspect...but it's all interesting nevertheless.
Lisa
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Re: layered cases
Dear Piet,
I think your explanation of layered cases being a new totality coming to the
surface was a very good one.
Sankaran did an analogy in him first book about root disease and I have
found this borne out in practice. Basically for simplicity sake if someone
has a root of say Sulphur, Calc and Lyc and the first prescription is given
on the top presenting state/root of sulphur then after maybe one or how many
potencies this state goes down and different symptoms start to come to the
surface say of Fear of the Dark, Fear of Suffering, Anxiety for Others,
Borrows troubles and you then see the Calc surfacing and becoming the new
totality, this in turn after maybe one or more potencies then changes and
you see the Lyc state coming to the surface.
It sounds a bit simplistic and I think you can always see bits of each
remedy in the person when they originally present and what needs to be
assessed is what is Present, Predominating and Persisting.
Sankaran observed that when the state comes round again it should be weaker.
This I have most definately observed in practice. So for instance if the
predominating state that the prescription of Sulphur was based on was
Egotism and Theorizing then when this returns or, if it returns, depending
on the depth of the root of Sulphur, then it should be to a lesser degree.
Lisa Barrett
I think your explanation of layered cases being a new totality coming to the
surface was a very good one.
Sankaran did an analogy in him first book about root disease and I have
found this borne out in practice. Basically for simplicity sake if someone
has a root of say Sulphur, Calc and Lyc and the first prescription is given
on the top presenting state/root of sulphur then after maybe one or how many
potencies this state goes down and different symptoms start to come to the
surface say of Fear of the Dark, Fear of Suffering, Anxiety for Others,
Borrows troubles and you then see the Calc surfacing and becoming the new
totality, this in turn after maybe one or more potencies then changes and
you see the Lyc state coming to the surface.
It sounds a bit simplistic and I think you can always see bits of each
remedy in the person when they originally present and what needs to be
assessed is what is Present, Predominating and Persisting.
Sankaran observed that when the state comes round again it should be weaker.
This I have most definately observed in practice. So for instance if the
predominating state that the prescription of Sulphur was based on was
Egotism and Theorizing then when this returns or, if it returns, depending
on the depth of the root of Sulphur, then it should be to a lesser degree.
Lisa Barrett
Re: layered cases
Allen, it would seem I am drawn to reply on many things...
you wrote
I write, that seems to me to be 'assuming' there is another layer. I can't
put this any clearer. If you had said "you never know until....." this would
have read completely differently.
Regarding the notion that WE meaning anybody, everybody, whoever, myself
included, do not know the MM's enough Anyone who says they do is perhaps
being the boaster cetainly not me. It isn't a prejudice just an accuracy.
I wrote,
I write, I was actually referring to the fact that i have extremely few
layered cases in my practice - 90% of it is single remedy cases/cures.
I apologise for what seems to be a communication problem - shall we move on?
Joy Lucas
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you wrote
I write, that seems to me to be 'assuming' there is another layer. I can't
put this any clearer. If you had said "you never know until....." this would
have read completely differently.
Regarding the notion that WE meaning anybody, everybody, whoever, myself
included, do not know the MM's enough Anyone who says they do is perhaps
being the boaster cetainly not me. It isn't a prejudice just an accuracy.
I wrote,
I write, I was actually referring to the fact that i have extremely few
layered cases in my practice - 90% of it is single remedy cases/cures.
I apologise for what seems to be a communication problem - shall we move on?
Joy Lucas
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Re: layered cases
Lisa wrote:
Hi Lisa,
a good reply but I only don't agree with this sentence.
Layers are seperate diseases, but with their exact own unique underlying
cause (based on constitution & effect of the disease). This in contrast to
'the constitutional remedy' which has has its cause basicly in the
constitution only.
For the treatment of a layer we need an exact simillimum, but we're treating
a part of the whole disease (first).
A zig-zag remedy is not an exact remedy, not to a part of the whole disease,
no to nothing.
It is a remedy what comes close to remedy that's really needed, but it is a
simile not a simillimum.
This remedy can't really cure, its action is palliative.
We don't see Herings rules with such a remedy.
I agree it looks the same, but i hope i managed to make it clear that it is
not the same.
Kind regards, Piet
Hi Lisa,
a good reply but I only don't agree with this sentence.
Layers are seperate diseases, but with their exact own unique underlying
cause (based on constitution & effect of the disease). This in contrast to
'the constitutional remedy' which has has its cause basicly in the
constitution only.
For the treatment of a layer we need an exact simillimum, but we're treating
a part of the whole disease (first).
A zig-zag remedy is not an exact remedy, not to a part of the whole disease,
no to nothing.
It is a remedy what comes close to remedy that's really needed, but it is a
simile not a simillimum.
This remedy can't really cure, its action is palliative.
We don't see Herings rules with such a remedy.
I agree it looks the same, but i hope i managed to make it clear that it is
not the same.
Kind regards, Piet
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Re: layered cases
Dear Dave
This is the problem that HMN himself was confronted with. We can find it in HMN CHRONIC DISEASE. When he complained of disease relapse in nonvenereal chronic cases , some of his fellows told hime the problem arose from inadequate stock of medicine. But the master of geniuse couldnt accept. Here is his reasons (Chronic Disease - P5):
"Whence then this less favorable, this unfavorable, result of the continued treatment of the non-venereal chronic diseases even by Homoeopathy? What was the reason of the thousands of unsuccessful endeavors to heal the other diseases of a chronic nature so that lasting health might result? Might this be caused, perhaps, by the still too small number of Homoeopathic remedial means that have so far been proved as to their pure action? The followers of Homoeopathy have hitherto thus consoled themselves; but this excuse, or so-called consolation, never satisfied the founder of Homoeopathy - particularly because even the new additions of proved valuable medicines, increasing from year to year, have not advanced the healing of chronic (non-venereal) diseases by a single step, while acute diseases (unless these, at their commencement, threaten unavoidable death) are not only passably removed, by means of a correct; application of homoeopathic remedies, but with the assistance of the never-resting, preservative vital force in our organism, find a speedy and complete cure."
Again in the last part of CD in cure of psora HMN advise us to use antipsoric remedies in consequence. The reason is not lack of remedy but is expanded nature of this infecting disease(Psora).
Best Regards
Farbod
This is the problem that HMN himself was confronted with. We can find it in HMN CHRONIC DISEASE. When he complained of disease relapse in nonvenereal chronic cases , some of his fellows told hime the problem arose from inadequate stock of medicine. But the master of geniuse couldnt accept. Here is his reasons (Chronic Disease - P5):
"Whence then this less favorable, this unfavorable, result of the continued treatment of the non-venereal chronic diseases even by Homoeopathy? What was the reason of the thousands of unsuccessful endeavors to heal the other diseases of a chronic nature so that lasting health might result? Might this be caused, perhaps, by the still too small number of Homoeopathic remedial means that have so far been proved as to their pure action? The followers of Homoeopathy have hitherto thus consoled themselves; but this excuse, or so-called consolation, never satisfied the founder of Homoeopathy - particularly because even the new additions of proved valuable medicines, increasing from year to year, have not advanced the healing of chronic (non-venereal) diseases by a single step, while acute diseases (unless these, at their commencement, threaten unavoidable death) are not only passably removed, by means of a correct; application of homoeopathic remedies, but with the assistance of the never-resting, preservative vital force in our organism, find a speedy and complete cure."
Again in the last part of CD in cure of psora HMN advise us to use antipsoric remedies in consequence. The reason is not lack of remedy but is expanded nature of this infecting disease(Psora).
Best Regards
Farbod
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Re: layered cases
I continue to find of great interest the agreement in concepts
between Oriental Medicine and Homeopathic Medicine. We assert the
exact same ideas as those set forth below. Thank you dave
Aphorism ?36.
The Older Stronger Disimilar Disease Repels the New Weaker Disease.
When a person is suffering from a strong chronic diseases it will
prevent
all weaker dissimilar diseases from mistuning the vital force. In
this case
disease-tuned vital force provides a form of negative immunity to
simple
complaints of lesser disease tuning powers. The band of their
susceptibility
is only senstive to those diseases which are somewhat similar to the
chronic
state. This is how nature performs homoeopathic cures.
Unfortunately, the
new similar start that has the potential to cure the old diseases is
by
nature just as dangerous if not worse. For this reason Providence
has
granted homoeopathic remedies. Vide Layers, Aphorism 36
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... aph36.html
Aphorism ?38
The Stronger New Disease Suspends the Older Weaker Disease
In the case of a strong acute disease the vital force will suspend
the older
weaker chronic disease while it runs the course. Once the acute
disorder is
past the old chronic syndrome will reappear. The older weaker
dissimilar
disease will become dormant layer within the human constitution as
the new
stronger diseases dominates the vital force. Vide Layers, Aphorism
38.
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... aph38.html
Aphorism ?40.
Two Old Diseases Make a Complex Disease
In the case of a new acquired strong chronic disease or miasm the
older
chronic disorders and miasms will also be suspended as deeper layers
of the
case. In the case of a long lasting chronic disease the new or older
layer
may form a complext disease by each residing in those areas of the
organism
to which the parculiar miasm is disposed Vide Layers, Aphorism ?40.
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... aph40.html
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between Oriental Medicine and Homeopathic Medicine. We assert the
exact same ideas as those set forth below. Thank you dave
Aphorism ?36.
The Older Stronger Disimilar Disease Repels the New Weaker Disease.
When a person is suffering from a strong chronic diseases it will
prevent
all weaker dissimilar diseases from mistuning the vital force. In
this case
disease-tuned vital force provides a form of negative immunity to
simple
complaints of lesser disease tuning powers. The band of their
susceptibility
is only senstive to those diseases which are somewhat similar to the
chronic
state. This is how nature performs homoeopathic cures.
Unfortunately, the
new similar start that has the potential to cure the old diseases is
by
nature just as dangerous if not worse. For this reason Providence
has
granted homoeopathic remedies. Vide Layers, Aphorism 36
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... aph36.html
Aphorism ?38
The Stronger New Disease Suspends the Older Weaker Disease
In the case of a strong acute disease the vital force will suspend
the older
weaker chronic disease while it runs the course. Once the acute
disorder is
past the old chronic syndrome will reappear. The older weaker
dissimilar
disease will become dormant layer within the human constitution as
the new
stronger diseases dominates the vital force. Vide Layers, Aphorism
38.
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... aph38.html
Aphorism ?40.
Two Old Diseases Make a Complex Disease
In the case of a new acquired strong chronic disease or miasm the
older
chronic disorders and miasms will also be suspended as deeper layers
of the
case. In the case of a long lasting chronic disease the new or older
layer
may form a complext disease by each residing in those areas of the
organism
to which the parculiar miasm is disposed Vide Layers, Aphorism ?40.
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... aph40.html
Dave Hartley
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Re: layered cases
This echoes one of my observations gathered over years of emails from other
homeopathic e-lists.. the people who are always trotting out the "peeling
an onion" analogy (when I peel an onion, I chop off both ends & the skin
comes off easily
..are seeming to find what they're expecting...
whereas practitioners who take a case "knowing" that it is the aim of
homeopathy to find "the simillimum" which will move the case quite far in
the direction of cure.. are also seeming to find what they're expecting.
The difference seems to be the frequency with which the former group engages
in case management which looks like "zig zag" prescribing to the latter.
thanks,
Dave Hartley
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homeopathic e-lists.. the people who are always trotting out the "peeling
an onion" analogy (when I peel an onion, I chop off both ends & the skin
comes off easily

whereas practitioners who take a case "knowing" that it is the aim of
homeopathy to find "the simillimum" which will move the case quite far in
the direction of cure.. are also seeming to find what they're expecting.
The difference seems to be the frequency with which the former group engages
in case management which looks like "zig zag" prescribing to the latter.
thanks,
Dave Hartley
http://www.localcomputermart.com
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284
Tri-Cities Computer (TN) |Asheville Computer (NC)
423-952-0983 or 877-245-3362 |(828)285-0240
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