Regarding abortion, I have noted that women often seem to underestimate the
shadow that it will cast over their future emotional life. I can only speak
for the individuals who have given me their story. But, I do believe that we
should take this into account when blithely urging our patients to go off
'the pill'. It is a serious step to take!
Abortion is a messy business. Even today, it is often a botched affair with
physical problems arising afterwards.There is frequently a problem having a
child later when you DO want one.
I am aware that this is a classic situation with no easy answer. Western
culture is so focused on quick easy pleasure that the natural results of sex
are often not even thought of at the time. Yet, the city dweller will often
feel as if he or she should be indulging just to be part of what is going on.
The aware person should indulge in sex with a sense of responsibility
however. We have the power of the divine in that we can create life and we
should use it properly. Many broken lives begin as 'an accident' - They KNOW
they were never truly invited by their physical parents and will therefore
often live life as a gatecrasher.
I personally believe that women usually have more common sense than men - It
is very much up to them to rebuff unsuitable advances from the over-eager sex
- The more discriminating they are, the more power they have and the better
the chances for the human race.
Stewart McOwan
Minerva Homoeopathic Books
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
Tel 00 44 020 7385 1361
Minerva Homoeopathic Books
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
Tel 00 44 020 7385 1361
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Abortion - Consequences
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Abortion - Consequences
are we still blaming the victim? and in what culture is the voice of women given credence over that of men?
women are still being trained, bullied and beaten into second-class citizenry. and i say this in the face of the reality of so many women who are finding their voices and strength.
tanya
women are still being trained, bullied and beaten into second-class citizenry. and i say this in the face of the reality of so many women who are finding their voices and strength.
tanya
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Jasbir Kaur Villaschi
- Posts: 64
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Re: Abortion - Consequences
Hi Tanya,
In my response to an earlier mail I mentioned my friends and our ideas on how know when we were really ready for the real thing...
out of the 35 there were about 18 boys... so I don't think blame should be
attached to the women, if there is blame it should be shared between the sexes ...
I didn't read any particularly hostile message in Stewart's words just a genuine concern that we may rush people into decisions that they have not really thought
through sufficiently like giving up the pill, having an abortion or keeping the baby even.
I do disagree with the dismissal of men as hapless, therefore not to be relied on to
take responsibility for the consequence of their actions... they are not stupid, they are very clever... at dodging the real issues of life ...of having to truly support another...
they would be the first to accuse the females in their lives of manipulating when actually it is they who are the real manipulators.... the fault is the girl's, the problem's
her's, it's her decision, if she does keep the faith and has the baby it's her baby etc etc....
if they're part of the problem they're part of the solution too.... if we carry on letting these people think this way they'll carry on travelling through numerous lives leaving a wake of real destruction: abortions, unwanted babies and damaged women.
If they do not want to have the responsibility of thinking of someone other than themselves maybe they should go solo ...
;-0
contraversial but true
Jas
tanya marquette wrote:
Stewart wrote [snip]
In my response to an earlier mail I mentioned my friends and our ideas on how know when we were really ready for the real thing...
out of the 35 there were about 18 boys... so I don't think blame should be
attached to the women, if there is blame it should be shared between the sexes ...
I didn't read any particularly hostile message in Stewart's words just a genuine concern that we may rush people into decisions that they have not really thought
through sufficiently like giving up the pill, having an abortion or keeping the baby even.
I do disagree with the dismissal of men as hapless, therefore not to be relied on to
take responsibility for the consequence of their actions... they are not stupid, they are very clever... at dodging the real issues of life ...of having to truly support another...
they would be the first to accuse the females in their lives of manipulating when actually it is they who are the real manipulators.... the fault is the girl's, the problem's
her's, it's her decision, if she does keep the faith and has the baby it's her baby etc etc....
if they're part of the problem they're part of the solution too.... if we carry on letting these people think this way they'll carry on travelling through numerous lives leaving a wake of real destruction: abortions, unwanted babies and damaged women.
If they do not want to have the responsibility of thinking of someone other than themselves maybe they should go solo ...
;-0
contraversial but true
Jas
tanya marquette wrote:
Stewart wrote [snip]
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Minervabks
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Re: Abortion - Consequences
Re. Jas's reply
Sorry if I annoyed anybody and I hope it did not look to others as if I was
entirely dismissing men as hapless creatures who relied on the potential
mother for common sense. It is easy to give a wrong impression in a short
e-mail.
Of course this is not how it should be. Men should be protective of their
partners. It is a fact though that it is the woman who has to carry the child
and give birth. She has an immediate interest in controlling the situation -
The child will be growing in HER body and SHE will have to go through the
process of giving birth with all the pain and attendant risks. If she does
not want to become a victim she needs to be 100% sure of the situation. She
should not expect that ALL men will be responsible - That is a dangerous
assumption. Obviously men SHOULD be responsible but to ASSUME that they will
be is foolish. It is an avoidance. Some men will spend their lives ducking
and diving, trying to deny their contribution to a local population
explosion. Some reptilian men will be expert at spotting and charming
vulnerable women and always seem to know just what to say.
Most people are honest but we don't leave our houses unattended and unlocked!
We protect ourselves from the low life. There will always be male (and
female) opportunists. Life is a lesson and a major part of it is learning to
discriminate between the false and the true. It is a recurring theme in
Shakespeare. The timeless human dilemma. It will always be with us - As long
as we are human.
For the record I most definitely do NOT absolve predatory males from blame
when they deliberately and casually play with female emotions and future
lives.
The mess in Rwanda where countless thousands of women became pregnant through
force by Hutu soldiers after seeing their fathers and husbands macheteed
should however remind us all just how bad men CAN be. Many of these women
were unable to have abortions and were faced with bringing up the children of
their rapists and murderers of their dearest relatives.… Many also contracted
AIDS. A chilling scenario. I never heard of ANY international effort to help
these Tutsi women have abortions - One of the most disgraceful episodes of
the last century and the United Nations did nothing - It packed its bags and
ran as soon as it heard that machetes were flown in and being distributed. In
addition, the Western white middle-class women's' movement was
disappointingly quiet. This was soon after the ham-fisted US intervention in
Somalia and there was no political will to do ANYTHING. A total disgrace to
the 'civilised world' who could have done a great deal. Instead I believe
most of us at the time went to the cinema, beat our breasts, and watched
Schindlers List! How ironic!
Stewart McOwan ARH
Minerva Homoeopathic Centre
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
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Sorry if I annoyed anybody and I hope it did not look to others as if I was
entirely dismissing men as hapless creatures who relied on the potential
mother for common sense. It is easy to give a wrong impression in a short
e-mail.
Of course this is not how it should be. Men should be protective of their
partners. It is a fact though that it is the woman who has to carry the child
and give birth. She has an immediate interest in controlling the situation -
The child will be growing in HER body and SHE will have to go through the
process of giving birth with all the pain and attendant risks. If she does
not want to become a victim she needs to be 100% sure of the situation. She
should not expect that ALL men will be responsible - That is a dangerous
assumption. Obviously men SHOULD be responsible but to ASSUME that they will
be is foolish. It is an avoidance. Some men will spend their lives ducking
and diving, trying to deny their contribution to a local population
explosion. Some reptilian men will be expert at spotting and charming
vulnerable women and always seem to know just what to say.
Most people are honest but we don't leave our houses unattended and unlocked!
We protect ourselves from the low life. There will always be male (and
female) opportunists. Life is a lesson and a major part of it is learning to
discriminate between the false and the true. It is a recurring theme in
Shakespeare. The timeless human dilemma. It will always be with us - As long
as we are human.
For the record I most definitely do NOT absolve predatory males from blame
when they deliberately and casually play with female emotions and future
lives.
The mess in Rwanda where countless thousands of women became pregnant through
force by Hutu soldiers after seeing their fathers and husbands macheteed
should however remind us all just how bad men CAN be. Many of these women
were unable to have abortions and were faced with bringing up the children of
their rapists and murderers of their dearest relatives.… Many also contracted
AIDS. A chilling scenario. I never heard of ANY international effort to help
these Tutsi women have abortions - One of the most disgraceful episodes of
the last century and the United Nations did nothing - It packed its bags and
ran as soon as it heard that machetes were flown in and being distributed. In
addition, the Western white middle-class women's' movement was
disappointingly quiet. This was soon after the ham-fisted US intervention in
Somalia and there was no political will to do ANYTHING. A total disgrace to
the 'civilised world' who could have done a great deal. Instead I believe
most of us at the time went to the cinema, beat our breasts, and watched
Schindlers List! How ironic!
Stewart McOwan ARH
Minerva Homoeopathic Centre
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
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