Re the Scarlet Fever case

[Rochelle]

Now there was an interesting phrase, thanks Robyn. However there is none or no pain worth talking about in the throat despite what it looks like.
I have to admit I am scared of giving Bell in case it brings out a fever and then I won't be very popular. It has now been a week since the whole thing started and 5 days since the rash appeared.
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Having a good fever would be the best thing that could happen to her!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[Rochelle]

I know that, you know that but how would I explain it to Mum and the patient!!!!! I really don't think I would be the most popular homeopath in town!! However I am prepared to discuss it with Mum although my patient is 18!! I've know Mum for years as a patient whereas I have only just met this daughter!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Rochelle]

Reading more from what Robyn sent:-

I must find out about this!!
>
Aah but there is a notable mental symptom!! The panics and anxiety on viewing the rash!! I don't have any Bell 3 but I bet I have Bell 6!!
Rochelle (I really must go to bed now - will answer anything else in the morning!!)
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Robyn]

I don’t think her fear of the rash is clearly associated with the Scarlet Fever disease state other than the fact that it has coincided – eg., sounds to me like she would react that way to any potentially disfiguring or whatever.... physical symptom, no matter what disease process is in play. This would be something you could treat separately to this current acute
Rather, it is a personality thing
Robyn
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rochelle
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re the Scarlet Fever case
Reading more from what Robyn sent:-



I must find out about this!!
>
Aah but there is a notable mental symptom!! The panics and anxiety on viewing the rash!! I don't have any Bell 3 but I bet I have Bell 6!!
Rochelle (I really must go to bed now - will answer anything else in the morning!!)
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

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[muthu kumar]

Rochelle-
Personally I think the rash and other symptoms will ease quickly with
homeopathy without suppression, when you give the indicated remedy and
the rash goes away it is not suppression. I have seen such rashes
disappear in 1- 2 days after the medicine with patient improving
mentally as well. But I have never treated a Scarler fever.

If Aconite were the remedy and given in 10m in an acute case the
result would be positive and you will have had positive feedback
within a day or two...

I am afraid that this may not be the indicated medicine-

Did you think of Ailanthus - it is indicated in scarlet fever, has
patch rashes, and presents with a mild fever ( adynamic states).

ledum and thuja have eruptions on covered parts ( is it eruption in
covered parts or is it covering all the erupted parts so that she does
not have to see it?)

Ars is a good choice irrespective of whether it is in 1 or 2...Despite
the absence of fever still Bell would be good if indicated by others...
This is NOT the time to go for chronic treatment - since there was a
lot of discussion of intercurrents - this is the time even if the
patient were on chronic treatment to suspend that and go for the acute...

Does Thuja or Sulphur cover any of her chronic symptoms? Does the
night of revelry have anything to do with aggravating this? If so what
would be indicative?

Does this rash - become pale on pressure or how fast does it become
red again.

Also what about any itching, sleep etc. How is thirst? Get at least 1
or 2 modalties and you will be home safe...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "rochelle" wrote:
will equally work when there is no fever.>>
none or no pain worth talking about in the throat despite what it
looks like.
fever and then I won't be very popular. It has now been a week since
the whole thing started and 5 days since the rash appeared.
looks absolutely red and inflamed. Often there is burning.
inflammations, but there may be pain more while swallowing, but
otherwise also a painful throat.
due to this is prominent, then after Belladonna 3, Hepar Sulphur 200
gets better scope of working. Bell. has the redness and pain as its
characteristic. When the pain in throat is more only while swallowing,
then Merc. cyn. 200 and when the glands outside the neck or parotids
get swollen, then Belladonna 30 and Merc. 200 work better. But the
symptoms mentioned in this group which have been responded to
Belladonna 3 were mostly found in the cases of scarlet fever. The
defects of the old Materia Medicas are, that, the concurrent symptoms
not being mentioned in one group as "Parimal Effect" of a disease on a
particular constitution, anybody who reads those Materia Medicas of
Hering, Hahnemann, Kent, Hughes, and others, will use Belladonna in
symptoms as mentioned in this group, in diseases other than scarlet
fever or acute infection to throat, and experience failures. Even when
symptoms of this Group and some symptoms of other disease influence
present in a man are considered together, then that will lead to an
incorrect selection of another drug for failure. The very symptoms
mentioned above are not related to fever and will equally work when
there is no fever.
Sore throat, acute.
punctate erythema, slightly raised in dots all over the body.
also found it to be very useful as a prophylactic. During the
treatment of this disease only, he discovered the powers of a drug
when diluted to infinitesimal.
fever is less and in this disease there occurs no notable mental symptom.
swollen face. The skin where inflammation is there, it is very hot to
touch.
equally or better where no such redness. Consult PBG for other drugs
for this. Apis has got burning in addition but not Great burning.
are there.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

You could try the "destruction of toxins by heat, which would otherwise impinge on organs and health".........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[Shannon Nelson]

Rochelle,
If you hold back from giving a needed remedy--and hold back from giving
her a remedy that could help her body to do what it NEEDS TO DO--then
you are wimping out in a big way, and (shaking my finger at you)
shirking your duties both as healer and as patient educator!!!!!!!!!!!
If I were in your shoes I would not make a big thing about the (hoped
for) possibility of fever, but I would mention it, and stress that *if*
it happens they should not panic, because it will be a *good* thing;
give the whole rap about fever being a healing instrument, what they
can do for comfort measures, and they can call you if needed, works to
activate important parts of the immune system, so no antipyretics, etc.
And I would *think* (love to hear others' yea or nay) that 6c, either
dry or sips in water, would do what's needed without causing an overly
strong reaction.

Okay, is this just the Kentian influence in my background? :-0 But
really, I don't see how you can help her without facing--nay,
*welcoming*--the possibility of fever! Maybe it will go without the
fever; but if not, that's your golden opportunity to do some
*educating*!!!! (And I'll bet you could *easily* put the girl in a
frame of mind to *welcome* fever, as a sign that her body is doing what
it needs to do, and dealing with the problem efficiently.)
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:06 PM, hahnemannian2002 wrote:
If Rochelle is not able to find things which have changed since around
the time of the rash (other than the fear), would you then use the
modalities etc. of the chronic case, or ?
Shannon

[muthu kumar]

Yes sometimes the chronic still comes thru the acute and that is where
the acute treatment will also address the chronic - not only is the
acute treated but also the chronic- this is where the acute flare-up
is still within the purview of the chronic

This is when the patient says when you gave the medicine not only did
this complaint go away but this other thing ( which I did not mention)
also went away-

or sometimes it is the chronic of an acute remedy or complementary of
the acute that comes thru-

usually when the indicated medicine is given either it cures or if it
is not the right one the modalities and other pointers become
prominent so that the indicated remedy clearly comes thru - it is
almost as if the indicated or nearly indicated has made the vital
force powerful enough to produce symptoms

Generally the key is in the modalities and concomitants - when you
have an acute the chronic goes into abeyance but is almost like a
silent concomitant in the background-it is still there and you might
get to see it in some one symptom or modality etc.

sometimes the chronic modality / concomitant might persist clearly
thru the acute and not just this acute but longitudinally in all the
other acutes the patient might have had - a red thread that runs thru

Then that becomes a key pointer to the patient's chronic remedy - and
a lot of times will also work for the acute...

The way I generally handle this is given good modalities in the acute,
will note down all the remedies I got for these and when the acute is
done and over, will revisit them after the acute to see if in the
emerging picture there is anything from this list that comes thru--
and that might end up being the follow-up remedy that might treat the
chronic state as well...

The assumption is that the chronic showed itself in just one modality
or something when the acute was there - now that the acute is gone,
the modality might have disappeared but the same remedy might be
showing some other chronic trait and we might be able to pick it up
now since we are on the look-out for it...

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
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