Your argument seeks to identify a quantitative confirmation; whereas, our practice in all paraidgms of energetic medicine evolve around energetics and their reflections. How do you then measure the 'value' of the life force of an idea? Life can be arguably begun there as well, for anyone who wishes to construct such a myth.
The issue, however, is to assess the 'intention' of the patient and to respect it. It is not to impose our notions of Right and Wrong, or Good and Bad. We are teachers.
Abortion
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Jasbir Kaur Villaschi
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Re: Abortion
Dear All,
It's disturbing to see that there are many people out there who abuse each other...
men who abuse women and women who abuse themselves by not respecting the
fact that sex has a deeper positive meaning and function (to bring together vital forces intimately to create a gateway through which new life can spring).
To divorce personal responsibility from sex is to create a stage for destructive processes -
denial of self , denial of others and ultimately creation of 'unwanted' life, which
through no fault of its own, is sent back instead of allowed to pass forward...
resulting in damage in the participants...
I feel that until individuals accept that there is always a possibility no matter how careful one may be that 'life will find a way out' they should not be so naive to think
it will not happen to them... life is precious and no matter which part of the planet we are, you cannot simply 'return to sender'...
maybe we would be doing ourselves and our children a big favour if we created an
attitude that sex while pleasurable is not just a pastime (the opposite attitude has been prevalent) but an integral part of life and thought needs to go in before entering into
this deeper connection to people.
my friends and I created a litmus test when we were teenagers 14-17 years old (1985) after a long group conversation HOW WOULD WE KNOW WE WERE READY??
Our Litmus test
would be to project forward that scenario mentally if we became pregnant - is this
the right person, time etc. if there are so many no's -probably you are not ready as a person for the added responsibilities of relationships /sex/ taking on another person and need to pay attention to your needs and development first.
perhaps we were strange in thinking so deeply on life but all of us( 35 individuals) have passed into the early stages of adult life fairly intact and integrated, having
'healthy' relationships and been able to get out of those which had destructive
elements before any real damage was done, and our kids although not all 'planned'
were born into an accepting world.
I agree that children who are born to those who love them but are not ready can be adopted by other members of the same family, but depending on cultural mores this may be harder to do especially if born out of wedlock in patriarchal societies.
Having a case of rape crisis, I can understand the need to distance from all aspects of the attack ...and by removing the fetus the victim will damage control, looking at this request it seems to me this is the vital force expressing succintly it's emotional/mental needs... this is the self-preservation instinct in force.
However I disagree that we as homeopaths should use our personal feelings to judge
our patients, if we can't oblige people who are definitely in favour of abortion we have the option of referral to allopathic means and offer to help with post-trauma
care. As homeopaths, we respect the totality of the individual I feel it is not our
place to further damage the vital force by using homeopathy to abort fetuses ...
we are purely here to help support the VF not help the person to further distort it, through misplaced emotions or pure rationalisations.
This is a minefield of emotion and ethics and the debate will go on long after we have gone ....
the vital thing is to do what is best for the patient ...we are here for them ...
love and serenity
Jas
It's disturbing to see that there are many people out there who abuse each other...
men who abuse women and women who abuse themselves by not respecting the
fact that sex has a deeper positive meaning and function (to bring together vital forces intimately to create a gateway through which new life can spring).
To divorce personal responsibility from sex is to create a stage for destructive processes -
denial of self , denial of others and ultimately creation of 'unwanted' life, which
through no fault of its own, is sent back instead of allowed to pass forward...
resulting in damage in the participants...
I feel that until individuals accept that there is always a possibility no matter how careful one may be that 'life will find a way out' they should not be so naive to think
it will not happen to them... life is precious and no matter which part of the planet we are, you cannot simply 'return to sender'...
maybe we would be doing ourselves and our children a big favour if we created an
attitude that sex while pleasurable is not just a pastime (the opposite attitude has been prevalent) but an integral part of life and thought needs to go in before entering into
this deeper connection to people.
my friends and I created a litmus test when we were teenagers 14-17 years old (1985) after a long group conversation HOW WOULD WE KNOW WE WERE READY??
Our Litmus test
would be to project forward that scenario mentally if we became pregnant - is this
the right person, time etc. if there are so many no's -probably you are not ready as a person for the added responsibilities of relationships /sex/ taking on another person and need to pay attention to your needs and development first.
perhaps we were strange in thinking so deeply on life but all of us( 35 individuals) have passed into the early stages of adult life fairly intact and integrated, having
'healthy' relationships and been able to get out of those which had destructive
elements before any real damage was done, and our kids although not all 'planned'
were born into an accepting world.
I agree that children who are born to those who love them but are not ready can be adopted by other members of the same family, but depending on cultural mores this may be harder to do especially if born out of wedlock in patriarchal societies.
Having a case of rape crisis, I can understand the need to distance from all aspects of the attack ...and by removing the fetus the victim will damage control, looking at this request it seems to me this is the vital force expressing succintly it's emotional/mental needs... this is the self-preservation instinct in force.
However I disagree that we as homeopaths should use our personal feelings to judge
our patients, if we can't oblige people who are definitely in favour of abortion we have the option of referral to allopathic means and offer to help with post-trauma
care. As homeopaths, we respect the totality of the individual I feel it is not our
place to further damage the vital force by using homeopathy to abort fetuses ...
we are purely here to help support the VF not help the person to further distort it, through misplaced emotions or pure rationalisations.
This is a minefield of emotion and ethics and the debate will go on long after we have gone ....
the vital thing is to do what is best for the patient ...we are here for them ...
love and serenity
Jas
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The Annan's
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Re: Abortion
Dear Jasbir,
Beautifully written!! Thanks for making me think in a slightly different
way.
I think you hit the nail on the head - in your last few words...and agree
that
we're not here to judge our patients...but just be here for them.
But I appreciate the whole discussion - it helps to better understand just
how many diverse views really exist!
best regards,
Lisa
Beautifully written!! Thanks for making me think in a slightly different
way.
I think you hit the nail on the head - in your last few words...and agree
that
we're not here to judge our patients...but just be here for them.
But I appreciate the whole discussion - it helps to better understand just
how many diverse views really exist!
best regards,
Lisa
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Jasbir Kaur Villaschi
- Posts: 64
- Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:00 pm
Re: Abortion
Dear folks,
the temptation for most onlookers is to look at the problem of abortion allopathicallly i.e. just at the end results, fetus, unwanted emotions, murderous thoughts etc.
how about thinking deeper, homeopathically and think about the removal of causatives by encouraging thinking before acting, weighing up and accepting risk factors before taking the risks etc.
ideal world aside, I'm sure humans weren't designed to use their heads purely for
decorative effect
Jas
The Annan's wrote:
the temptation for most onlookers is to look at the problem of abortion allopathicallly i.e. just at the end results, fetus, unwanted emotions, murderous thoughts etc.
how about thinking deeper, homeopathically and think about the removal of causatives by encouraging thinking before acting, weighing up and accepting risk factors before taking the risks etc.
ideal world aside, I'm sure humans weren't designed to use their heads purely for
decorative effect
Jas
The Annan's wrote:
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Piet Guijt
- Posts: 271
- Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2001 10:00 pm
Re: Abortion
Sheila wrote:
piet, you say, "As Homeopaths
you do not know. >
Yes, that's a nice one, but that makes two of us.
And maybe because we might not KnoW, it would be wise to be on the safe
side.
And just to have this opinion, gives no one the right to place this in the
same line as 'fundamentalists'
This is no base for discussion.
Further I don't understand the polarisation about men and woman, aren't we
all human beings?
Men, Woman , born, unborn, different colour etc. to me they all are equal
and have equal rights.
Kind regards, Piet
piet, you say, "As Homeopaths
you do not know. >
Yes, that's a nice one, but that makes two of us.
And maybe because we might not KnoW, it would be wise to be on the safe
side.
And just to have this opinion, gives no one the right to place this in the
same line as 'fundamentalists'
This is no base for discussion.
Further I don't understand the polarisation about men and woman, aren't we
all human beings?
Men, Woman , born, unborn, different colour etc. to me they all are equal
and have equal rights.
Kind regards, Piet
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Jasbir Kaur Villaschi
- Posts: 64
- Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:00 pm
Re: Abortion
Hi Piet,
mmmm....
ask a pregnant woman that one ...
I guess it's kind of like the old joke about communism
"some people are more equal than others"
it's interesting that people ensist on using the PC way of expressing something about a task which is in its nature very unfairly distributed ... it's not rocket science it is
down to the lady to supply nutrients and body space to what my female GP described wryly as 'what would be known scientifically as a parasite'.
even if you are estactic about having a baby no woman will ever say there weren't
times where they contemplated and compiled descriptions of the equivalent pain and discomfort for the partner to ponder after his inevitable comment 'it can't be that bad can it ?'
we live in a real world ...where the imperfections and idiosyncrasies make it beautiful
and what artists describe as 'challenging'... it may be messy but it is better that way
love and serenity
Jas
mmmm....
ask a pregnant woman that one ...
I guess it's kind of like the old joke about communism
"some people are more equal than others"
it's interesting that people ensist on using the PC way of expressing something about a task which is in its nature very unfairly distributed ... it's not rocket science it is
down to the lady to supply nutrients and body space to what my female GP described wryly as 'what would be known scientifically as a parasite'.
even if you are estactic about having a baby no woman will ever say there weren't
times where they contemplated and compiled descriptions of the equivalent pain and discomfort for the partner to ponder after his inevitable comment 'it can't be that bad can it ?'
we live in a real world ...where the imperfections and idiosyncrasies make it beautiful
and what artists describe as 'challenging'... it may be messy but it is better that way
love and serenity
Jas
Re: Abortion
You know, I do belive that women have choices over their bodies, but I think the timing is a bit important.
When people have concentual sex, they have many opportunities to stop, and get control of themselves. When the CHOOSE to continue, they've made a choice to allow for the possability of pregnancy...
Once pregnant, then there's someone else to consider, and that baby should have some control over it's body. Abortion forcably removes the baby's choice to live.
Allowing a baby to live takes a few months out of a woman's life, which she knew was a possibility when she had sex. But it allows the child to have life, and there are many couples who want children and cannot have them.
Saying that a woman has to have the right to choose, and a right to control her body is correct, but she needs to make those choices back when choosing to have sex without marriage, without a support system that is meant to protect and provide for her; Not once she's found out that she's pregnant. It's too late then, as there's another person involved who has choices as well!
In doing emotional clearing, one can go back to conception. A baby knows if it was wanted, or if there was termoil in the emotions of pregnancy. They have a spirit and intuition at conception. The only difference between them at conception and birth is Size, and the desire of the mother. If the mother wants the baby, it's an infant. If the mother doesn't want the baby, it's named an embryo. This smacks of labeling of ethnic groups, or training the soldiers for war... "the enemy"... (not the man who has a wife and 3 kids at home..... ) It's all a matter of perspective. But,
the perspective doesn't change the truth.
It's a Baby. When a person takes a life, it's murder, no matter what you name it!
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2
Jennifer Ruby
Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.
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When people have concentual sex, they have many opportunities to stop, and get control of themselves. When the CHOOSE to continue, they've made a choice to allow for the possability of pregnancy...
Once pregnant, then there's someone else to consider, and that baby should have some control over it's body. Abortion forcably removes the baby's choice to live.
Allowing a baby to live takes a few months out of a woman's life, which she knew was a possibility when she had sex. But it allows the child to have life, and there are many couples who want children and cannot have them.
Saying that a woman has to have the right to choose, and a right to control her body is correct, but she needs to make those choices back when choosing to have sex without marriage, without a support system that is meant to protect and provide for her; Not once she's found out that she's pregnant. It's too late then, as there's another person involved who has choices as well!
In doing emotional clearing, one can go back to conception. A baby knows if it was wanted, or if there was termoil in the emotions of pregnancy. They have a spirit and intuition at conception. The only difference between them at conception and birth is Size, and the desire of the mother. If the mother wants the baby, it's an infant. If the mother doesn't want the baby, it's named an embryo. This smacks of labeling of ethnic groups, or training the soldiers for war... "the enemy"... (not the man who has a wife and 3 kids at home..... ) It's all a matter of perspective. But,
the perspective doesn't change the truth.
It's a Baby. When a person takes a life, it's murder, no matter what you name it!
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2
Jennifer Ruby
Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SymphonicHealth
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Dr Ramachandra
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Re: Abortion
Abortion is aneccessary evil eventhough no religion including nature
accepts .Abortion becomes neccesity not only for women even for couples
depending on financial,social factors in different societies.Abortions
neccesity need not be mentioned on medical grounds.
Due to this neccessary evil woman suffers.
Homoeopath can not induce abortion with homoeopathic medicines.No un
natural activity can be performed using homoeopathy.
But Homoeopath can help to metigate post abortion problems.You can find
all women suffer from mental and physical symptoms after induced abortions.
like anxiety disorders, svere type of back aches, unable to conceive once
again, Harmonal imbalance and many more depending on their miasmatic
tendencies.
KALI CARB in different potencies is able to help in majority of cases.
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad,INDIA
accepts .Abortion becomes neccesity not only for women even for couples
depending on financial,social factors in different societies.Abortions
neccesity need not be mentioned on medical grounds.
Due to this neccessary evil woman suffers.
Homoeopath can not induce abortion with homoeopathic medicines.No un
natural activity can be performed using homoeopathy.
But Homoeopath can help to metigate post abortion problems.You can find
all women suffer from mental and physical symptoms after induced abortions.
like anxiety disorders, svere type of back aches, unable to conceive once
again, Harmonal imbalance and many more depending on their miasmatic
tendencies.
KALI CARB in different potencies is able to help in majority of cases.
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad,INDIA
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Nancy Siciliana
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- Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2001 10:00 pm
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isali ben-jacob
- Posts: 122
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Re: Abortion
The assertion that aborting a fetus is 'evil' is a value judgement to which the writer is entitled as well as those who hold to a different value on the same issue. The argument continues to advance a matrix which will find reflection universally.
It is nonetheless a value judgement and has no placement in the attitude of the physician to the patient. It is the patient's intention which is foremost not the physician's.
It is nonetheless a value judgement and has no placement in the attitude of the physician to the patient. It is the patient's intention which is foremost not the physician's.