Can you tell me why cannabis and opium are not available

[Jeff]

Thank you for the information I will look at Hahnemann Labs in California. I know my question may have been difficult but when you have multiple sclerosis you look at anything that may help the symptom.
No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.
This information is for educational purposes only.

Jeff Frankel
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[Tanya Marquette]

shannon--

if we get so paranoid that we cannot communicate, then we have lost the
ongoing
battle against civil liberties that is occurring today. fyi, bush & co
have gained
legal access to spy on any of our communication processess and even when
illegal, telecommunication companies just hand over the information to them.

so effectively, we have no privacy left and can only count on their
inability
to monitor so much data.

tanya
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[Chat]

Hah, I just re-read Jean's post. I thought the Op was prescribed for a horror experienced at school! Understandable. Have just been reading about Op being good where people have had anaesthetic for an operation, or an accident where they haven't come back into the body properly (where Arnica didn't work), they are all spaced out and hazy. Good ole remedy 131.
Elizabeth
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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Irene,

I completely agree, of course.

But it is the only "alibi" I can think of for the increasing
unavailability (because of legal restrictions) of nosodes in most of
Europe. (An alibi of course it is).

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Shannon Nelson]

And can also be needed for chronic states, e.g. arising from birth
trauma! (Which of course may or may not be known; have to know the
picture, as well as the possible causations.) Definitely not just for
"war zones"!

Shannon

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Most opiate users suffer from constipation.
I once came across a case reported in a journal (I think it was the Homoeopath) where the patient was severely constipated and needed to visit a hospital once a month to get mechanically evacuated !
The hom found out that the problem had arisen when the patient had started to use heroin.
Doses of Op sorted the problem very quickly.

Regards

Soroush

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

I disagree.
Only cannabis, opium, etc are controlled substances.
Thus making the remedies from them could be illegal in USA - as it uses
material amount. But a 30c remedy has none of the controlled substance
in it as is demonstrably the case with a spectrophotometer analysis.
So selling a substance containing no demonstrable controlled substance
is by definition not illegal.
Who says it is true?
No court can complain that opium or cannabis was sold when none can be
found on analysis:-))
Onus of proof is still on the prosecutor to prove there was cannabis or
opium sold.

Don't be intimidated by old wives tales!
In a court of law, it's what the law says that holds, not anyone's
"understanding". There is no law that holds a person guilty of selling
opium (or anything else) when none can be found in what is sold by
modern analyis.
At risk of what?
A charge of selling opium etc has to be PROVED.
There is no risk if it is 6C and up.
There is risk in MAKING it.
So these remedies have to come from imported sources not locally made
sources.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

Interesting, Soroush!
Also as an example of "similar", presumably based on symptom picture,
being chosen over idem/isopathy. Do you happen to remember why op. was
chosen rather than potentized heroin?
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Sorry for my un-clarity --those are the ones I was referring to.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but that has been my understanding.
Then what reason would you suggest for why they are not (unless I'm
mistaken again) listed in the HPUS, and not listed on any (at least not
the ones I've checked) US pharmacy's list of available remedies?
(Anyone want to phone or e-mail one of those pharmacies and ask?) If
the pharmacies are not nervous about it, then I suppose I/we need not
be either.

Okay, I took my own advice, and have phoned one of the pharmacies I
use. The phone person said that they are not by law permitted to keep
them (remedies made from "controlled substances") on the premises, nor
to sell them, and at her suggestion I've sent an e-mail to the owner
for further legal details.

Stay tuned!

Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

May I ask - what is the origin of your "understanding"?
I see no law that states it? (Even if there was such a crazy law - and I
have yet to find one - it could very easily be challenged as having no
basis.)
I have not got a HPUS (Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States
for those not familiar with HPUS) to check what's listed in it - but I
do know the criteria for listing a remedy in the HPUS.... The
application to list a remedy canm be made by anyone but must have a
"clearly stated use in a self-limiting condition" as the reason to be
listed!
[This is the FDA rule about it; don't ask me where this "logic" came
from, I have no idea!)

So - This is why in USA-made remedies and sometimes those imported
for use in USA (as in Dolisos remedies before they closed) the
"self-limiting condition usage" which was on the application to get a
remedy listed in the HPUS - is always on the label of the USA-made remedy.
So for example, using a few remedies I grabbed at random here:
Arsen alb 3LM (and all potencies of Ars-alb) say "Exhaustion" on the
label as the intended self-limiting-condition usage, this having been
the "self-limiting condition" used to get Ars-alb into the HPUS on the
ARs-alb aplication.
Caladium seguinum has "motion sickness" listed.
Asterias rubens has "neuralgic pains" listed.
Aloe socotrina has "hemorrhoids" listed.
and so on.
You must have seen specified usage on remedies you have bought?
This is why.

The same reason is the reason for example Carcinosinum is not in the
HPUS. Nobody has come up with a self-limiting condition for which
carcinosinum is appropriate, to put forward to get it in there.
Most homeopathic remedy suppliers you speak to, do not know all this.
You have to dig for someone who has jumped hoops to know what's
involved. I wanted to get Carcin listed and this was my finding after a
lot of investigation.
When Boiron took over from Dolisos they CHOSE to not carry imported
remedies (and I chose to not support Boiron as a result) and Boiron
only carries those that can be made in USA and called "homeopathic
remedies" - in other words only those in the HPUS. [It is specifically
illegal to make and name a remedy a "homeopathic remedy" in USA unless
it is in the HPUS and made by the HPUS recipe for it. Other phrases like
"homeopathic product" or "homeopathics" can be yused - but the specific
term "homeopathic remedy" is reserved for HPUS items. Imported items ned
not comply - just USa-made ones.
Till Boiron took over Dolisos, Dolisos was a great source as they
simply imported whatever was needed, including gemmotherapy and sarcode
remedies and nosodes etc etc - and supplied it to qualified homeopaths.
Boiron uses the approach that any remedy not in the HPUS needs a
physician's prescription.

So there is a who9l;e bunch of nonsense and politics around the HPUS,
but basically the above is the bottom line - to be in there, it needs an
application showing its use for a self-limiting condition - and if not
in there, it needs to either be imported or get a physician's
prescription in USA.
From there is gets complicated as "Physician" is defined differently
in different states. For example in WA state it includes Advanced
Registered Nurse Practitioners (ARNPs) and Naturopaths (NDs).
Ain't true.
They are not allowed to keep remedies that contain a controlled
substance as an ingredient.
There's a subtle but relevant difference.
Asking a pharmacy will not get you the true answer - only their
interpretation from a position of ignorance and "play safe on what you
do not know-ism" - the truth is in the letter of the law:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."