the unprejudiced observer

[Tanya Marquette]

maybe the wish for abortion is not pathological and no rubric is needed.

tanya

[The Annan's]

This begs the question to me....setting aside all current opinions (i.e. our
current mindset in the West whether pro-choice or anti...):

How can it not be pathological for a person who is pregnant not to want to
keep her child?

Isn't it only natural that a woman who is pregnant and in a healthy state of
balance would want to carry and deliver her baby? Therefore, a woman who
rejects her baby (due to whatever reasons --stemming from state of mind?
Pressures? or whatever) is not reacting naturally to the process of carrying
a baby and giving life? A symptom??

I'm not getting into politics - just asking in reference to what urge a
woman in any era might feel. These are things which we must set aside our
political views - in the seat of a Homeopath, imo. (not easy and I will not
reveal my personal view because it doesn't matter).

I hope this is taken in the spirit in which it is meant......in my effort to
learn to set aside my views and be an unpredjudiced observer. Also, I
honestly don't know that answer.

All the best,
Lisa

[Mark Young]

In the animal kingdom some small mammals eat their young offspring when
threatened by a predator, for example when the predator is sitting
outside the entrance to the mammals underground home, after a time the
mother may eat her children. Here there is a threat and a response which
is fairly common amongst some small mammals.
the question of what is 'normal' or 'pathological' or 'healthy' and
separating these out as permanently objective states as opposed to
transitory cultural judgements or evolutionary phases (? accidental
mutations or purposeful entelechy) seems complex to me and not all
straightforward.
WHAT IF THERE ARE 'TWO NATURAL' BUT CONTRADICTORY OR PARADOXICAL
IMPULSES ?

best,
mark

state of
who
mind?
carrying
--
Mark Young

[The Annan's]

Hi Mark...

[Catherine Creel]

Tanya wrote:
>
I have to agree with this. Most of the time there are practical
considerations that go into making this decision.

A poorly prepared parent does a poor job raising a child.

Regards,
Catherine

[Fatima Williamson]

I don't know why it should be that matter if a mother or the parents of an
unborn or unwanted baby decide exterminate their baby.
I think it is personal choice and a personal freedom, they know their own
condition of life anyway. On the other hand who would take responsibility
of the future life misery of that poor being whom his/her life started that
way?
A woman has been raped and got pregnant,because of all that what we call it
values she gave birth unwillingly. She says '' all I want to be strong
enough to finish my life and the child of the rapist. Looking at her in
every second of my life reminds me the dreadful experience that I had with
her father and so on''
She did Hypnotherapy, cancelling, psychotherapy and Homoeopathy before,
nothing gone through her.
Only her spiritual belief kept her going but as she said the scare is deeper
than that.
At the end of the day there are individuals, and I think this matter
shouldn't in the hand of the law.
Fatima

[The Annan's]

[snip]>

That isn't always true Catherine;).
Sometimes the greatest parents were those caught unawares...'poorly
prepared'.
I know some who were 'prepared' and have found it to be dauntingly
difficult....and ain't great parents.
I also know some who might be considered to be 'poorly prepared' and they
are fantastic parents.

But it's subjective isn't it?
Ah....what's the definition of a good parent?
If only there were a handbook, eh? lol

Hardest job in the world!!

I'll stop beating myself up for all the mistakes I make daily with my
children . Take each day at a time. Do the best I can...etc, etc,
etc;).
All the best,
Lisa

[Natasha]

Dear Sheila,

Thank you for your extensive initial reply and your other kind words. I have written several replies (unsent) but I am not sure how to respond. I need to stay true to my thoughts on this, while displaying respect for yours....

I am familiar with the books you mentioned, so I was disappointed by how quickly you dismissed the books I cited.
They are not "anti-feminist" books, rather they are honest collections of important information. "As Nature Made Him" is especially important because it was this man's childhood that became the foundation of the modern (1960's) understanding of how children perceive their gender. In terms of understanding the establishment of gender roles, this book is the equivelent of discovering a text describing how the Earth is in fact round and not flat...

As for feminism in general, while women have fought for their rights and we enjoy many freedoms, I am not willing to assign them all the credit. The freedoms that we enjoy today only exist because People have worked towards it. In fact, none of these freedoms would exist without the support of men. Personally, I wonder if feminism made the changes or if society just made an adjustment in response to industrialization and immigration, followed by education and communication....

Perhaps this effect of these changes (industrialization, immigration, education, communication), has also played a role in the decrease in "traditional" crimes against women in countries such as India and Nigeria. However, until many more essential social/political issues are resolved, we will continue to hear of the abuse of men, women and children, in the variety of sick ways that humans hurt each other.

All the best,
Natasha
Homeopathic Student
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[Jasbir Kaur Villaschi]

Hi Catherine,

I agree that there are many people out there who have this idea that if you have womb then you have the mothering magically in place,... however study after study
have revealed it's what we experience as kids of the parenting experience that we
take on board and use later... as the cases where there was estrangement/ conflict/
aggression between daughter and mother... the daughter went on later to have
problems connecting or coping with the whole mothering experience.

the male experience is similar, but because of cultural bias this is pushed aside as the
mother is primary carer/ nuturer of young...

when you have a combination of bad parenting experiences life is a struggle...the old
model of the extended family was great in that if the above case was true the parents as children would have a greater pool to take from and perhaps gained a surrogate
parent through aunts, uncles etc.

I get tired of assumptions about females ... you never hear 'but he's gotta be a good dad ... I mean had a baby ' get over it ... some people will never evolve into that stage of life....we can only help but supporting them

Jas

Catherine Creel wrote: