Has anyone got any MM on Variocello I think the Chicken Pox nosode is called?
Thanks
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
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Theresa Partington
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Re: variocello
Vermeulen (world expert on germs!) has the following to say:
The varicella nosode, or varicellinum, has hardly a place in homeopathic literature, except for Reckeweg’s recommendation ‘for use in skin eruptions, including those which itch at night and are of a pustular nature; it may also be used in herpes simplex [or zoster], and in cervical cancer, possibly in alternation with the Herpes Simplex Nosode, the Herpes Zoster Nosode and Variolinum’.
I was always told that Variolinum was a post chicken pox/shingles treatment and preferable but actually, if we are looking at origin rather than proving, small pox is a pox and chicken pox is a herpes, a different family albeit another DNA virus.
Theresa
Rochelle wrote:
Has anyone got any MM on Variocello I think the Chicken Pox nosode is called?
The varicella nosode, or varicellinum, has hardly a place in homeopathic literature, except for Reckeweg’s recommendation ‘for use in skin eruptions, including those which itch at night and are of a pustular nature; it may also be used in herpes simplex [or zoster], and in cervical cancer, possibly in alternation with the Herpes Simplex Nosode, the Herpes Zoster Nosode and Variolinum’.
I was always told that Variolinum was a post chicken pox/shingles treatment and preferable but actually, if we are looking at origin rather than proving, small pox is a pox and chicken pox is a herpes, a different family albeit another DNA virus.
Theresa
Rochelle wrote:
Has anyone got any MM on Variocello I think the Chicken Pox nosode is called?
Re: variocello
Dear Theresa
Thanks for that!!!! I have Variolinum in a couple of potencies and found it useful in Herpes simplex particularly with the herpes that appears on the spine and which is associated with endometriosis if you remember the discussion months back about it. It's just that I had a patient in this week who told me she had NBWS a bad dose of chicken pox earlier this year and I wondered about Varicella which I also had in but couldn't find anything about it. (I am still none the wiser!!!)
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
Thanks for that!!!! I have Variolinum in a couple of potencies and found it useful in Herpes simplex particularly with the herpes that appears on the spine and which is associated with endometriosis if you remember the discussion months back about it. It's just that I had a patient in this week who told me she had NBWS a bad dose of chicken pox earlier this year and I wondered about Varicella which I also had in but couldn't find anything about it. (I am still none the wiser!!!)
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
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Ellen Madono
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Re: variocello
Dear Theresa,
According to the Wikipedia article, DNA viruses (as oppose do RNA viruses) replicate through their own DNA. Somehow, I had the impression that viruses lacked their own DNA and took over the DNA of the host. Wrong! or only with some viruses. What is the significance of a virus being the DNA replicating type in terms of being a homeopathic remedy?
Impossible question maybe?
What did you think of Vermeulen's book?
Thanks,
Ellen
According to the Wikipedia article, DNA viruses (as oppose do RNA viruses) replicate through their own DNA. Somehow, I had the impression that viruses lacked their own DNA and took over the DNA of the host. Wrong! or only with some viruses. What is the significance of a virus being the DNA replicating type in terms of being a homeopathic remedy?
Impossible question maybe?
What did you think of Vermeulen's book?
Thanks,
Ellen
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: variocello
Ellen Madono wrote:
Wikipedia is an imperfect pace to get info. IT's more complex than that:
Viruses need something from the host cell, even if they are DNA viruses
(which can be single strand or double strange DNA viruses).
Depending on the virus classification group to which the virus
belongs, it uses different aspects of the host cell's "equipment"
especially enzymes.
Often the enzymes needed are only in the nucleus of the host cell, so
the virus must penetrate not only the cell but the cell's nucleus, in
order to make mRNA - which in turn helps to make proteins. some viruses
attach to cell walls (herpes for example) - but ALL of them need higher
organism cells in order to live and reproduce.
Viruses may replicate in large numbers in a cell, so bursting it as
the new virions escape to repeat the act elsewhere - and/or leave a lot
of virions in the nucleus which become "inclusions" - or their use of
host protein may be part of a strategy to do other host damage. Another
strategy is gene recombination - where some of the host's DNA is
combined with some of the virus DNA to make a new version of genetic
code to do some damage or other that is part of the virus strategy.
(Example one common clade of the feline leukaemia virus recombines with
feline host DNA to make a new "recombined" DNA that causes lymphoma in
addition to leukaemia in the affected cat.)
Each virus has a specific strategy both for damage and replication -
but NO virus can replicate at all, unaided - ALL of them need a host
cell to help it in some way - if not to provide RNA or DNA, then to
provide enzymes or other necessary components to the reactions they use.
Example:
Adenoviruses code for their own DNA polymerase, but they use host
factors in addition to viral proteins for DNA replication, and they use
host RNA polymerase and RNA modification systems and so nucleic acid
synthesis needs to be in the nucleus of the host cell, despite the fact
that it is a DNA virus.
None that I can think of. I think that as an energy system, it's the
consequences of virus action - not the mechanism - that determines what
the homeopathic remedy will do.
Namaste,
IRene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Wikipedia is an imperfect pace to get info. IT's more complex than that:
Viruses need something from the host cell, even if they are DNA viruses
(which can be single strand or double strange DNA viruses).
Depending on the virus classification group to which the virus
belongs, it uses different aspects of the host cell's "equipment"
especially enzymes.
Often the enzymes needed are only in the nucleus of the host cell, so
the virus must penetrate not only the cell but the cell's nucleus, in
order to make mRNA - which in turn helps to make proteins. some viruses
attach to cell walls (herpes for example) - but ALL of them need higher
organism cells in order to live and reproduce.
Viruses may replicate in large numbers in a cell, so bursting it as
the new virions escape to repeat the act elsewhere - and/or leave a lot
of virions in the nucleus which become "inclusions" - or their use of
host protein may be part of a strategy to do other host damage. Another
strategy is gene recombination - where some of the host's DNA is
combined with some of the virus DNA to make a new version of genetic
code to do some damage or other that is part of the virus strategy.
(Example one common clade of the feline leukaemia virus recombines with
feline host DNA to make a new "recombined" DNA that causes lymphoma in
addition to leukaemia in the affected cat.)
Each virus has a specific strategy both for damage and replication -
but NO virus can replicate at all, unaided - ALL of them need a host
cell to help it in some way - if not to provide RNA or DNA, then to
provide enzymes or other necessary components to the reactions they use.
Example:
Adenoviruses code for their own DNA polymerase, but they use host
factors in addition to viral proteins for DNA replication, and they use
host RNA polymerase and RNA modification systems and so nucleic acid
synthesis needs to be in the nucleus of the host cell, despite the fact
that it is a DNA virus.
None that I can think of. I think that as an energy system, it's the
consequences of virus action - not the mechanism - that determines what
the homeopathic remedy will do.
Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Ellen Madono
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Re: variocello
Thanks Irene,
I must have read all this, but having you summarize it really helps me to get the picture. Thank-you.
Namaste,
Ellen
I must have read all this, but having you summarize it really helps me to get the picture. Thank-you.
Namaste,
Ellen
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Theresa Partington
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Re: variocello
Dear Ellen,
Well, you got the low down on dna viruses with knobs on! Can’t add to that except to say that I agree that exact nature of virus shouldn’t in theory affect its homeopathic usage.
And I love Vermeulen’s book – and the one on Fungi, too. He thinks it is relevant which family things belong to and holds the view that if we are going to investigate kingdoms and families looking for common themes and extrapolating into unproven remedies we should at least get the kingdoms and families taxonomically correct!
Theresa
Dear Theresa,
According to the Wikipedia article, DNA viruses (as oppose do RNA viruses)
replicate through their own DNA. Somehow, I had the impression that viruses
lacked their own DNA and took over the DNA of the host. Wrong! or only with
some viruses. What is the significance of a virus being the DNA replicating
type in terms of being a homeopathic remedy?
Impossible question maybe?
What did you think of Vermeulen's book?
Thanks,
Well, you got the low down on dna viruses with knobs on! Can’t add to that except to say that I agree that exact nature of virus shouldn’t in theory affect its homeopathic usage.
And I love Vermeulen’s book – and the one on Fungi, too. He thinks it is relevant which family things belong to and holds the view that if we are going to investigate kingdoms and families looking for common themes and extrapolating into unproven remedies we should at least get the kingdoms and families taxonomically correct!
Theresa
Dear Theresa,
According to the Wikipedia article, DNA viruses (as oppose do RNA viruses)
replicate through their own DNA. Somehow, I had the impression that viruses
lacked their own DNA and took over the DNA of the host. Wrong! or only with
some viruses. What is the significance of a virus being the DNA replicating
type in terms of being a homeopathic remedy?
Impossible question maybe?
What did you think of Vermeulen's book?
Thanks,