Thank you very much Sara for this very informative piece.
Now another question arises.
As homoeopaths we have struggled to show any 'homoeopathic' effect (other
than by giving to a patient or during proving.
How is it that the manufacturers of these unit know for example what is the
signature of Belladonna? Any if they can detect it, and copy it, can it be
demonstrated somehow that Bell is diff from Arn and from Acon with these
machines?
Thanks
Soroush
Electronic Instruments
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Re: Electronic Instruments
Dear Colleagues
I am appalled!!
I have asked for information.
People have kindly responded.
We can discuss issues raised in a polite manner and there is no room for
rudeness.
Please if you wish to raise issues on this topic I would be most interest to
here facts and opinion.
Please read Dr Shahrdar's instructions to the LIST.
Please treat all members with respect.
If you regard some one's method not homoeopathic, then ask it in form of a
question. You may or may not get a response, put the point has been made!
We are supposed to be healers, let us heal that anger.
Soroush
I am appalled!!
I have asked for information.
People have kindly responded.
We can discuss issues raised in a polite manner and there is no room for
rudeness.
Please if you wish to raise issues on this topic I would be most interest to
here facts and opinion.
Please read Dr Shahrdar's instructions to the LIST.
Please treat all members with respect.
If you regard some one's method not homoeopathic, then ask it in form of a
question. You may or may not get a response, put the point has been made!
We are supposed to be healers, let us heal that anger.
Soroush
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Minervabks
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Re: Electronic Instruments
Dear Everyone,
I am glad that Sara has presented an overview of the current situation
regarding the electronic devices that have become increasingly prominent
I do think that it is in our interests that some of us attempt to understand
the history and development of them.
The idea that disease can be treated electronically goes back a long way. It
is NOT new at all. There were devices such as the 'Clarke Machine' (nothing
to do with our John Henry Clarke) which appeared in the nineteenth century.
Many of these machines were probably worse than useless. However in the
1920s, Royal Raymond Rife started to experiment on different types of
electromagnetic fields and observed their effects on life forms in a
laboratory situation. He developed a special microscope utilising polarised
light (where all waves have electric and magnetic fields on the same planes)
which allowed the inspection of living cells. He then watched the reaction of
bacteria and single-celled organisms to different fields. He found that
different types of cells will explode at their own specific frequencies. He
found that mammalian cells seem to be resistant, however.
Rife was obsessed with the idea of curing cancers with this technology. He
interestingly noticed that tested animals often became sicker for a short
time after his treatment - Similar to the homoeopathic aggravation. He
believed this was a result of the destruction of infective pathogens which
took time for the body to clear up. He believed that bacteria and viruses can
mutate into one another (pleomorphism), and that particular bacteria have a
relation to a particular virus. eg E.Coli was believed to be related to a
cancer virus.
Morris Fishbein, who actually OWNED the American Medical Association at the
time, tried to buy the rights to the technology. Rife refused and was
subsequently persecuted. It was also Fishbein who destroyed Hoxey (famous for
the herbal cancer treatment). Rife's lab was eventually burnt down in
mysterious circumstances. Colleagues were bribed to retire to Mexico and two
doctors supporting Rife were found dead after seeming to have strangely
poisoned themselves.
Information on Rife can be found on www.rife.org and also www.rife.de.
The current machines such as Bioresonance can be traced back to figures such
as Rife. It is easy to assume they are of no relevance to us as homoeopaths
but it is my belief that we ignore current developments at out peril. I use
one of these machines myself as a confirmatory tool and it can be fascinating
to read its ideas for aetiology and subsequent treatment. I do not allow
myself to be led by it and it is not infallible. I often feel that I know
better than the machine but I am glad that it is there. I would not like to
see it relied upon by a beginner, however!!!!
Hope my contribution throws a little light.
Stewart McOwan
Minerva Homoeopathic Books
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
Tel 00 44 020 7385 1361
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I am glad that Sara has presented an overview of the current situation
regarding the electronic devices that have become increasingly prominent
I do think that it is in our interests that some of us attempt to understand
the history and development of them.
The idea that disease can be treated electronically goes back a long way. It
is NOT new at all. There were devices such as the 'Clarke Machine' (nothing
to do with our John Henry Clarke) which appeared in the nineteenth century.
Many of these machines were probably worse than useless. However in the
1920s, Royal Raymond Rife started to experiment on different types of
electromagnetic fields and observed their effects on life forms in a
laboratory situation. He developed a special microscope utilising polarised
light (where all waves have electric and magnetic fields on the same planes)
which allowed the inspection of living cells. He then watched the reaction of
bacteria and single-celled organisms to different fields. He found that
different types of cells will explode at their own specific frequencies. He
found that mammalian cells seem to be resistant, however.
Rife was obsessed with the idea of curing cancers with this technology. He
interestingly noticed that tested animals often became sicker for a short
time after his treatment - Similar to the homoeopathic aggravation. He
believed this was a result of the destruction of infective pathogens which
took time for the body to clear up. He believed that bacteria and viruses can
mutate into one another (pleomorphism), and that particular bacteria have a
relation to a particular virus. eg E.Coli was believed to be related to a
cancer virus.
Morris Fishbein, who actually OWNED the American Medical Association at the
time, tried to buy the rights to the technology. Rife refused and was
subsequently persecuted. It was also Fishbein who destroyed Hoxey (famous for
the herbal cancer treatment). Rife's lab was eventually burnt down in
mysterious circumstances. Colleagues were bribed to retire to Mexico and two
doctors supporting Rife were found dead after seeming to have strangely
poisoned themselves.
Information on Rife can be found on www.rife.org and also www.rife.de.
The current machines such as Bioresonance can be traced back to figures such
as Rife. It is easy to assume they are of no relevance to us as homoeopaths
but it is my belief that we ignore current developments at out peril. I use
one of these machines myself as a confirmatory tool and it can be fascinating
to read its ideas for aetiology and subsequent treatment. I do not allow
myself to be led by it and it is not infallible. I often feel that I know
better than the machine but I am glad that it is there. I would not like to
see it relied upon by a beginner, however!!!!
Hope my contribution throws a little light.
Stewart McOwan
Minerva Homoeopathic Books
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
Tel 00 44 020 7385 1361
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Electronic Instruments
In a message dated 2/5/02 6:08:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Minervabks@aol.com writes:
As I implied initially, the information provided about these machines and
their remedies is interesting and thank goes out for that. My apology about
the barking frenzy that followed. Folks who promote these innovations, and
cite the 90% success rates they experienced or witnessed in them, and who use
them regularly or as a back up, should expect, and accept criticism, and
comments without taking offense because what is promoted violate all the
fundamental of the science of homeopathy, from case taking, to proving, to
potentization, to administration of the remedy...practically everything we
know about homeopathy is violated and thrown aside.
What you get here, are machines that detect the "remedy" you need, through
some data you input in them, or some type of vital force vibration detection
system. These machines can also make the remedies radionically or
electronically, from information stored in its data base, or through
detecting the vibration of the substance you want to "potentize"
'electronically'. As I said, and because I have no first hand experience
with these machines, I can only take their words for it, but won't accept it,
or promote it, I just let it be, and/or pass. Unless the popularity of them,
and people who use them, and promote them surpasses the expectation, and the
scientific community, the homeopathic one, and medical one, takes serious
notice. Then I will reconsider the issue.
For now, radionic machines, electronic machines, and worst, paper remedies
defy logic. But let's assume for the aske of the argument, that there is
something to them, that means that these machines are in fact capable not
only to detect, but also to duplicate the vibration of the vital force of a
human being, as well as that of a substance, and if it can do that, then it
can easily generate some type of electrowavegram for all to witness and test,
re-test, and duplicate. and then the scientific community have no choice but
to take notice and make use of this discovery.
One of the hurdles of regular homeopathy being accepted among the
'scientific' community is that our remedies, and the vital force we claim, to
them, can NOT be measured, for them to see it. And these machines apparently
can do that, and more, it can duplicate the vibration/information of the
remedies electronically or radionically, or even, just, by writing it on a
paper.
This can also, raises an issue, we witness, and that we have to come to
understand, because its a reality of our day and age, and this is that many
people because of the craziness, high tech, materialistic,
information-cataclysm of our day, are unable to keep grounded, in facts of
simple nature, it's a time full of intuition, dreams, imaginations,
disconnection from reality etc., because reality has grown more confusing,
complex, and painful to follow or accept. How is this connected to radionic,
electronic, and paper remedies? I already mentioned the connection in my
first, considerate , yet undesigning reply to this issue, when I said:" I can
think of palliation, mental healing, placebo effects, but curing with the
simillimum is yet, no where to be seen in what you've shared, " . In the old
days, Hahnemann, used to prove a remedy with few provers, and generate a
proving, like all his provings that is thorough, and accurate, and nowadays,
a good number of provings are conducted with a large number of provers, using
double blinded, and placebo controlled techniques, and the results are
sometimes baffling, with a proving data that most of it, is dreams,
delusions, and themes.
I'm not against, and actually wish, if the technology will allow us one day,
to genuinely be capable to measure and identify the vital force vibration
code of imbalance in each sick person, and be able to give the exact
simillimum, for the ultimate cure to take place, whether with real remedies,
or an electronic, electromagnetic, or radionic, truly active ones.
Shukri
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Minervabks@aol.com writes:
As I implied initially, the information provided about these machines and
their remedies is interesting and thank goes out for that. My apology about
the barking frenzy that followed. Folks who promote these innovations, and
cite the 90% success rates they experienced or witnessed in them, and who use
them regularly or as a back up, should expect, and accept criticism, and
comments without taking offense because what is promoted violate all the
fundamental of the science of homeopathy, from case taking, to proving, to
potentization, to administration of the remedy...practically everything we
know about homeopathy is violated and thrown aside.
What you get here, are machines that detect the "remedy" you need, through
some data you input in them, or some type of vital force vibration detection
system. These machines can also make the remedies radionically or
electronically, from information stored in its data base, or through
detecting the vibration of the substance you want to "potentize"
'electronically'. As I said, and because I have no first hand experience
with these machines, I can only take their words for it, but won't accept it,
or promote it, I just let it be, and/or pass. Unless the popularity of them,
and people who use them, and promote them surpasses the expectation, and the
scientific community, the homeopathic one, and medical one, takes serious
notice. Then I will reconsider the issue.
For now, radionic machines, electronic machines, and worst, paper remedies
defy logic. But let's assume for the aske of the argument, that there is
something to them, that means that these machines are in fact capable not
only to detect, but also to duplicate the vibration of the vital force of a
human being, as well as that of a substance, and if it can do that, then it
can easily generate some type of electrowavegram for all to witness and test,
re-test, and duplicate. and then the scientific community have no choice but
to take notice and make use of this discovery.
One of the hurdles of regular homeopathy being accepted among the
'scientific' community is that our remedies, and the vital force we claim, to
them, can NOT be measured, for them to see it. And these machines apparently
can do that, and more, it can duplicate the vibration/information of the
remedies electronically or radionically, or even, just, by writing it on a
paper.
This can also, raises an issue, we witness, and that we have to come to
understand, because its a reality of our day and age, and this is that many
people because of the craziness, high tech, materialistic,
information-cataclysm of our day, are unable to keep grounded, in facts of
simple nature, it's a time full of intuition, dreams, imaginations,
disconnection from reality etc., because reality has grown more confusing,
complex, and painful to follow or accept. How is this connected to radionic,
electronic, and paper remedies? I already mentioned the connection in my
first, considerate , yet undesigning reply to this issue, when I said:" I can
think of palliation, mental healing, placebo effects, but curing with the
simillimum is yet, no where to be seen in what you've shared, " . In the old
days, Hahnemann, used to prove a remedy with few provers, and generate a
proving, like all his provings that is thorough, and accurate, and nowadays,
a good number of provings are conducted with a large number of provers, using
double blinded, and placebo controlled techniques, and the results are
sometimes baffling, with a proving data that most of it, is dreams,
delusions, and themes.
I'm not against, and actually wish, if the technology will allow us one day,
to genuinely be capable to measure and identify the vital force vibration
code of imbalance in each sick person, and be able to give the exact
simillimum, for the ultimate cure to take place, whether with real remedies,
or an electronic, electromagnetic, or radionic, truly active ones.
Shukri
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Minervabks
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- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: Electronic Instruments
Dear Shukri and Everybody,
Healing is often bizarre and I must confess to have sometimes found myself
irritated by people who claim to heal using what to me are irrational
methods. When we are involved in homoeopathy and attempting to run it as a
PROFESSION we have a VERY BIG problem. This is acute when various
practitioners are preparing their remedies by unconventional means. Is the
Pulsatilla that I prepare from thin air with my 'healing intent' or angelic
help the same as my colleagues? Probably not. It is a nonsense for us to
compare cured cases in these circumstances. However nobody should be
criticised if the patient is better! I do however have a problem when
practitioners make remedies on devices just to save a few pence - It seems
very mean when a patient has taken the time to tell us his/ her story and pay
us good money for us to throw yet another unknown into the equation. Who
knows whether the unconventional remedy is going to be a dud? It is also
arrogant to expect the angels to run/ fly around after us.
Many people see themselves as healers first and 'professionals' second. There
should be nothing wrong with this as long as it is clarified first. We all
should have the right to heal our fellow human beings to the maximum of our
ability in a way in which we feel comfortable. I make a point of hinting to
unconventional practitioners that they should call themselves healers rather
than homoeopaths. If they are going to write up a case they should make it
clear just how the remedy was made. I personally avoid using remedies made on
a machine. In this way I know exactly what I have given and can compare my
cases with my colleagues in a meaningful way.
I do however understand the convenience of preparing remedies on a machine in
an emergency - It may often be a case of that or nothing. We cannot have
every remedy under the Sun especially when travelling in remote places. It is
no good calling Helios Pharmacy when you are in remote Papua New Guinea. It
is good to have various methods to fall back on. I am glad Sara wrote her
informative e-mail.
This is a rather emotionally charged area at present so I hope I am defusing
it!
Regards to all,
Stewart
Minerva Homoeopathic Books
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
Tel 00 44 020 7385 1361
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Healing is often bizarre and I must confess to have sometimes found myself
irritated by people who claim to heal using what to me are irrational
methods. When we are involved in homoeopathy and attempting to run it as a
PROFESSION we have a VERY BIG problem. This is acute when various
practitioners are preparing their remedies by unconventional means. Is the
Pulsatilla that I prepare from thin air with my 'healing intent' or angelic
help the same as my colleagues? Probably not. It is a nonsense for us to
compare cured cases in these circumstances. However nobody should be
criticised if the patient is better! I do however have a problem when
practitioners make remedies on devices just to save a few pence - It seems
very mean when a patient has taken the time to tell us his/ her story and pay
us good money for us to throw yet another unknown into the equation. Who
knows whether the unconventional remedy is going to be a dud? It is also
arrogant to expect the angels to run/ fly around after us.
Many people see themselves as healers first and 'professionals' second. There
should be nothing wrong with this as long as it is clarified first. We all
should have the right to heal our fellow human beings to the maximum of our
ability in a way in which we feel comfortable. I make a point of hinting to
unconventional practitioners that they should call themselves healers rather
than homoeopaths. If they are going to write up a case they should make it
clear just how the remedy was made. I personally avoid using remedies made on
a machine. In this way I know exactly what I have given and can compare my
cases with my colleagues in a meaningful way.
I do however understand the convenience of preparing remedies on a machine in
an emergency - It may often be a case of that or nothing. We cannot have
every remedy under the Sun especially when travelling in remote places. It is
no good calling Helios Pharmacy when you are in remote Papua New Guinea. It
is good to have various methods to fall back on. I am glad Sara wrote her
informative e-mail.
This is a rather emotionally charged area at present so I hope I am defusing
it!
Regards to all,
Stewart
Minerva Homoeopathic Books
173 Fulham Palace Road
Hammersmith
London W6 8QT
Tel 00 44 020 7385 1361
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sara Klein Ridgley PhD
- Posts: 88
- Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:48 pm
Re: Electronic Instruments
Finrod wrote:
Dear Soroush and everyone,
Your raise a VERY GOOD question, to which I don't have a good answer, I
am afraid....
The reason being is that I am neither a manufacturer nor a user of these
machines....
Also, most of these machines and modalities are frawned upon by
mainstream medicine, just as Homeopathy is frawned upon. Actually, some
of them have been raided by the FDA here in the USA, attacked by
mainstream medicine as being 'quackery' pretty much by the same people
who are going against Homeopathy. Whatever they demonstrate, is done
just 'in house'. Some of them have case reports and case studies, and
even lab reports of success. But....
I can speculate though:
From talking with the various practitioners and the manufacturer's
representatives who came to do a demonstration, it SEEMS to be that
through the technologies that they use (and which, I am afraid, nobody
on this Minutus list me included, really understands), they can copy the
entire VIBRATIONAL picture of a remedy. Surely they are not using
SIGNATURES in the same way as our MM does, but they take the actual
remedy and copy electronically its signature vibrationally. One person
told me that this signature is then assigned a NUMERIC value, and when
they imprint on water, this very UNIQUE vibrational frequency is what is
imprinted onto the water. In that sense, the value for Belladonna will
be different from Arnica, Aconite or any other substance for that
matter. So, if we just want to look at it TECHNICALLY, without
assigning any value judgment as to effectiveness, authenticity, etc.,
then we can say that from THEIR point of view, there are different
'remedies' encoded into their system.
As to how these remedies work, that is yet a totally different question,
and which can be resolved only EMPIRICALLY. I can think of a variety of
double and tripple blind studies that can be run to verify the
effectiveness of these preparations as compared to the true Homeopathic
potencies. However, all of us will agree that we are treading a very
strange path by even THINKING of doing so... The reason being is that
so far, the 'true' Homeopathic remedies have not been assessed
'scientifically' either... For mainstream science, Homeopathy is
considered bogus and at best placebo. So, when we are passing judgment
on the various machines as being 'bogus', we are actually in a way
projecting our own sense of being rejected by mainstream, onto these
'new kids on the block'.
Of course, the best method for us, Homeopaths, to prove or disprove a
remedy would be to run our true and trusted PROVINGS on these
vibrationally created remedies. However, I much doubt that any
classical Homoepath would undertake such a task. And again, we can see
the similarity in the approach and attitude: Mainstream medicine will
not undertake a proving of Homeopathic substances (whatever happened
with the 'skeptics' provings challenge????) for the very same reasons...
Do we really know the mechanics of our own remedies? Do we know (apart
from having studied Hahnemann's postulates in this matter) exactly HOW
these remedies become when potentized, and how they really work? Is it
easy for us to simply SHOW a skeptic or a mainstream scientist that
these remedies have substance WITHOUT putting them to the empirical test
of actually USING the remedies on people or animals??? We don't have an
objective method of doing so, and we should not be surprised if these
various 'clones' of remedies and their manufacturers do not have such
methods either.
This said, I can envision just such methodology emerging in the future.
It only requires some kind of an instrument that would be OBJECTIVE, and
not practitioner-dependent. I don't know what the methodology might be;
I am not trained in electronics and in frequencies. But those people
who are thus trained, and who would take the time to bridge the gap
between their engineering/scientific approaches and the more 'esoteric'
realm of Homeopathy, could conceivably come up with some method of
measuring objectively the PROPERTIES of a remedy and comparing those to
the PROPERTIES of the cloned remedies? And when I say PROPERTIES, I am
not limiting myself to a set of given properties, but rather, to such
properties that can be measured uniformly.
We are really talking about bridging between worlds, between radically
different paradigms and ways of thinking.
I am sure others might have different ideas and thoughts in the matter
though....
Warmly
Sara
Dear Soroush and everyone,
Your raise a VERY GOOD question, to which I don't have a good answer, I
am afraid....
The reason being is that I am neither a manufacturer nor a user of these
machines....
Also, most of these machines and modalities are frawned upon by
mainstream medicine, just as Homeopathy is frawned upon. Actually, some
of them have been raided by the FDA here in the USA, attacked by
mainstream medicine as being 'quackery' pretty much by the same people
who are going against Homeopathy. Whatever they demonstrate, is done
just 'in house'. Some of them have case reports and case studies, and
even lab reports of success. But....
I can speculate though:
From talking with the various practitioners and the manufacturer's
representatives who came to do a demonstration, it SEEMS to be that
through the technologies that they use (and which, I am afraid, nobody
on this Minutus list me included, really understands), they can copy the
entire VIBRATIONAL picture of a remedy. Surely they are not using
SIGNATURES in the same way as our MM does, but they take the actual
remedy and copy electronically its signature vibrationally. One person
told me that this signature is then assigned a NUMERIC value, and when
they imprint on water, this very UNIQUE vibrational frequency is what is
imprinted onto the water. In that sense, the value for Belladonna will
be different from Arnica, Aconite or any other substance for that
matter. So, if we just want to look at it TECHNICALLY, without
assigning any value judgment as to effectiveness, authenticity, etc.,
then we can say that from THEIR point of view, there are different
'remedies' encoded into their system.
As to how these remedies work, that is yet a totally different question,
and which can be resolved only EMPIRICALLY. I can think of a variety of
double and tripple blind studies that can be run to verify the
effectiveness of these preparations as compared to the true Homeopathic
potencies. However, all of us will agree that we are treading a very
strange path by even THINKING of doing so... The reason being is that
so far, the 'true' Homeopathic remedies have not been assessed
'scientifically' either... For mainstream science, Homeopathy is
considered bogus and at best placebo. So, when we are passing judgment
on the various machines as being 'bogus', we are actually in a way
projecting our own sense of being rejected by mainstream, onto these
'new kids on the block'.
Of course, the best method for us, Homeopaths, to prove or disprove a
remedy would be to run our true and trusted PROVINGS on these
vibrationally created remedies. However, I much doubt that any
classical Homoepath would undertake such a task. And again, we can see
the similarity in the approach and attitude: Mainstream medicine will
not undertake a proving of Homeopathic substances (whatever happened
with the 'skeptics' provings challenge????) for the very same reasons...
Do we really know the mechanics of our own remedies? Do we know (apart
from having studied Hahnemann's postulates in this matter) exactly HOW
these remedies become when potentized, and how they really work? Is it
easy for us to simply SHOW a skeptic or a mainstream scientist that
these remedies have substance WITHOUT putting them to the empirical test
of actually USING the remedies on people or animals??? We don't have an
objective method of doing so, and we should not be surprised if these
various 'clones' of remedies and their manufacturers do not have such
methods either.
This said, I can envision just such methodology emerging in the future.
It only requires some kind of an instrument that would be OBJECTIVE, and
not practitioner-dependent. I don't know what the methodology might be;
I am not trained in electronics and in frequencies. But those people
who are thus trained, and who would take the time to bridge the gap
between their engineering/scientific approaches and the more 'esoteric'
realm of Homeopathy, could conceivably come up with some method of
measuring objectively the PROPERTIES of a remedy and comparing those to
the PROPERTIES of the cloned remedies? And when I say PROPERTIES, I am
not limiting myself to a set of given properties, but rather, to such
properties that can be measured uniformly.
We are really talking about bridging between worlds, between radically
different paradigms and ways of thinking.
I am sure others might have different ideas and thoughts in the matter
though....
Warmly
Sara
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Sara Klein Ridgley PhD
- Posts: 88
- Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:48 pm
Re: Electronic Instruments
Shukri,
It seems that your feelings were hurt due to obvious cultural
differences. Your English is very fluent and very good, so I could not
foresee that you would misunderstand an IDIOM, or FORM OF SPEECH for an
insult. No insult was meant, and I apologize if your feelings were
hurt. What I meant to say was simply this: I agree with you that these
instruments are not Homeopathy, and that I prefer first and foremost to
use our true and proven remedies....
The term BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE has nothing to do with barking; And
in no way is it an offensive statement: it is an IDIOM which means
simply: You are looking for something that is not there, or blaming
someone who is not really to blame.
Here are some references where you can find out more about this terminology:
http://esl.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_46.htm
http://vlc.polyu.edu.hk/idioms/nature/bark.htm
http://www.englishdaily626.com/slang07.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/toni.goell ... oms58.html
Peace to you
Sara
It seems that your feelings were hurt due to obvious cultural
differences. Your English is very fluent and very good, so I could not
foresee that you would misunderstand an IDIOM, or FORM OF SPEECH for an
insult. No insult was meant, and I apologize if your feelings were
hurt. What I meant to say was simply this: I agree with you that these
instruments are not Homeopathy, and that I prefer first and foremost to
use our true and proven remedies....
The term BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE has nothing to do with barking; And
in no way is it an offensive statement: it is an IDIOM which means
simply: You are looking for something that is not there, or blaming
someone who is not really to blame.
Here are some references where you can find out more about this terminology:
http://esl.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_46.htm
http://vlc.polyu.edu.hk/idioms/nature/bark.htm
http://www.englishdaily626.com/slang07.html
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isali ben-jacob
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Re: Electronic Instruments
I would like to suggest that 'electronic' remedies is not with energetic distinction from 'real' remedies. All remedies whether tangible or not are electro-magnetic presentations which can be artificially generated. There is a distinction however. An analogy would be to contrast herbal medicine to pharm. medicine wherein it is the intention of herbal formulas to present whole foods rather than specific catalyst for particular action. Whole foods offer a matrix of energetic patterns not merely one. That would explain why sometimes the electronically created ones fail to demonstrate efficacy as they may lack a regulatory action.
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Dave Hartley
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Re: Electronic Instruments
"In this sense it is akin to homeopathy"
-sorry.. in what sense??
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-sorry.. in what sense??
Dave Hartley
http://www.localcomputermart.com
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284
Tri-Cities Computer (TN) |Asheville Computer (NC)
423-952-0983 or 877-245-3362 |(828)285-0240
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