Dear Colleagues
Has any of you had any experience with the machinery that claims to find or produce the Similimum by attaching electrodes or using samples from the patient?
Do any of you use 'Radionicly' produced remedies?
How do they compare with lab/succussion produced remedies?
Rgds
Soroush
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Electronic Instruments
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Electronic Instruments
I have done a bit of research into this. I also had a local woman do a radionics test on me. She used a hair sample that I provided. This is typical. They come up with a 'remedy' by reading the frequencies and matching them. In this sense it is akin to homeopathy. The local woman I spoke with does a lot of hands-on healing and 'broadcasting.' I had asked her to help with a chronic muscular problem that we couldnt seem to treat successfully with homeopathy. She wound up focusing on a lung/grief situation instead. Her reading with the hair sample said I still had acitve lyme in my system and she sent me a remedy called lyme. I dont think it did anything for me tho. I still had the same symptoms after the remedy.
There is a society of radionics in England and I connected with a group/person in Canada. These people have websites. A homeopath once recommended a radionics practitioner to me as a very talented person. She had had a very powerful and successful experience with radionics at one point in her life.
So, I guess the system is as good as the practitioner, as in most things.
Tanya
There is a society of radionics in England and I connected with a group/person in Canada. These people have websites. A homeopath once recommended a radionics practitioner to me as a very talented person. She had had a very powerful and successful experience with radionics at one point in her life.
So, I guess the system is as good as the practitioner, as in most things.
Tanya
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isali ben-jacob
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Re: Electronic Instruments
Yes, I employ periodically equipment which resemble the vega machine and utilise muscle testing. I find that they may identify a remedy or remedies which may strengthen the Pt.; however, more important is that they do not identify the ressponse capability of the body.
I have found it most helpful to understand functional medicine as defined by our allopathic colleagues. This aids in the selection of a Rx so that its action is best optimised.
I hasten to point out that my training is principally in Oriental Medicine and I come to homeopathy coincidentally, finding that there exist shared concepts and intentions.
I have found it most helpful to understand functional medicine as defined by our allopathic colleagues. This aids in the selection of a Rx so that its action is best optimised.
I hasten to point out that my training is principally in Oriental Medicine and I come to homeopathy coincidentally, finding that there exist shared concepts and intentions.
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Sara Klein Ridgley PhD
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Re: Electronic Instruments
Dear Soroush and everyone,
I have had several experiences with these types of instruments. The
last one was a few months ago, when a Rep from BioMeridian came here to
do a demonstration on the system. To make a long story short, at the
end when it 'picked' a remedy for me, (it picked several modalities that
could have 'balanced' the imbalances that it found, but I insisted on
Homeopathy), it picked Berberis V. It was impressive, because it WAS
indeed the remedy that had repertorized for me earlier that day. It
then 'created' the remedy in water from its database, and I took it, and
it did not do anything, but then I went and took my 30C of Berberis V
which cleared the situation in a few hours.
The BioMeridian is so expensive ($17,000 or so) that it prices itself
out of the range of most Homeopaths. I know a lot of Chiropractors who
use it, and then some practitioners who have SOME knowledge of
Acupuncture points, and a tiny bit of knowledge of Homeopathy, and they
buy the instrumentation and start practicing and impressing clients with
the printouts and readouts.
As to the various remedy making units:
I started getting interested in them in the last couple of years, for
several reasons. First, because of some premonitions that I have had
regarding the availability of remedies. Now, following 9/11, it is
acutely more so, as now packages coming to the USA (and I know of
several other countries as well) are subjected to serious irradiation
with strong Xrays and some with Gamma Ray-like contraptions. Knowing
this makes me want to own as many remedies as possible and to have those
remedies secure. So, remedy making instruments became a focus of
investigation for me.
The second reason for this interest is the fact that a great many
remedies are not allowed in the USA, or are 'by prescription' only to MD's.
I had to get used to the theory that these units espouse, that
Homeopathic potencies, especially those beyond the 12C potency, are
nothing but frequencies. As such, it makes sense to replicate a given
frequency, without the need for the actual substance to be diluted and
potentized. I am not sure that I have gotten over this hurdle... But,
I always keep an open mind and listen to what the 'proponents' and
'oponents' have to say and then weigh the information based on my own
background, training and understanding.
In this context, I checked out several options.
First, machines like the above BioMeridian (Vega machines, the Phazx,
the Mora, the BioCom, etc.) all have in their databases, the
'electronic' signature of the many, many remedies, and the ability to
replicate those electronically into distilled water or onto pills, with
the extra ability to pick whichever potency is required. This is an
attractive option, as the sky is the limit with these pre-programmed
databases that continue to expand, and to which the practitioner can add
whatever he/she wants. But again, all of these machines are highly
expensive (some are in the $30,000+ range...).
Second: There are dedicated remedy maker units, such as the SE-5 (which
is actually a very elaborated Radionics machine) which are less
expensive but still very expensive (SE-5 is $2700). This unit depends
on 'rates' that have been researched by various Radionics practitioners,
and the rates that are included in the rate books for this unit are such
that have been found by INDEPENDENT people from various localities in
the world, to be the right rates. What this means is that different
people, independently, found the same rate for a substance. Then it is
included in the book, and according to the people who use these
machines, the remedies that are created this way are very reliable.
I have talked to a gentleman in Seattle, WA, who has an entire booming
business, where he creates Homeopathic remedies (as well as all kinds of
other vibrational substances) with the SE-5 machine, and supplies these
remedies to doctors and practitioners all over, and apparently, the
remedies work.
Another known Homeopathic supplier here in the USA has supplied remedies
both for myself and other professionals, and the remedies always worked
really well. Recently we all found out that ALL of his remedies were
prepared Radionically, with a different system, the Malcolm Rae Cards
and the Remedy Replicators from Magneto Geometric Applications in the
UK. There is not much information about this system because it has been
attacked by 'the powers that be'. The replicators themselves are rather
cheap (less than 200 English Pounds), and they don't require any
maintenance, but the cards that are used to make remedies are about $2
each one. So, to have a vast 'pharmacy' of cards can cost a lot of
money, and as more than 26,000 cards exist, one can see how eventually
it can climb up there.... These units can also take any SUBSTANCE and
potentize it according to the chart that comes with the boxes. The
cards are produced by dowsing with pendulums and then graphed unto a
geometrical shape that is inscribed on the card. The card is inserted
into a slot in the box and its geometrical shape is magnetically
imprinted on the liquid or the pellets in the 'outbox'.
I personally know a Homeopathic Veterinarian, who is using these boxes
and cards EXCLUSIVELY in her practice, and sells various remedies for
pets and animals with great success and with great results.
I don't know if anyone on this list has ever used 'Papre Remedies'. I
have had the necessity of using these several times, and I have to say
that each and every time it was successful. Paper Remedies are simply
the NAME OF THE REMEDY and its' POTENCY written on a piece of paper and
given to the patient to wear on their body. I had to do this first many
years ago, when I was travelling without my kit, and my hostess came
down with what seemed to be a very severe Urinary Tract Infection. I
repertorized her case and it was a clear and unwavering Cantharis. But
there was no Homeopathic pharmacy around, and it was a choice between
her wish to take antibiotics or run to the E.R., or trying to resolve it
with Homeopathy. So, I wrote Cantharis 30C on a piece of paper, put it
on her lower abdomen, and sat with my hand on it and the thought of
Cantharis in my awareness for about 15 minutes. Before the hour was
out, all her symptoms vanished, just like they would have with Cantharis
pellets. Since that time, I resorted to this method several times, and
each time it was just as successful. My feeling is that the realm of
INTENTION is highly effective, especially if one has a clear mind and
knows the remedies well.
Another remedy making machine, which is MUCH more affordable is the
"Sulis" remedy maker, also from the UK. This unit costs around 700
English Pounds and there are rates for just about every remedy
conceivable that are included with it. It is a small Radionic/electronic
box and according to people who own it, it creates good remedies that work.
The only unit that I have in my possession is the EaglePro remedy
replicator. This one is electronic, not radionic (I opened it and
looked inside, it has an electronic board inside and many actual
connections and switches), and it can COPY just about anything, and in
my experience, VERY accurately. It can also potentize any substance to
a CHORD of potencies (6X 30X 100X 200X). I have not used the
potentizing function because of this feature for Homeopathic remedies.
The EaglePro also has several additional features, especially one that
you asked about:
It has a probe that allows one to make a remedy from just about any
substance by putting the probe into the substance and potentizing it.
This is NOT Homeopathy, clearly, it is ISOPATHY. I have used it in this
form under this jurisdiction, with clear understanding of what I was
doing. Specifically, it is good if one needs to make an Isopathic
potency from urine, blood, saliva, or exudates from pustules, tumors,
etc. I have used it with pets and animals, with excellent results.
This little unit is also affordable, and runs around $380 US. I have
used it also to make ISODES from allopathic drugs, specifically,
chemotherapy drugs. I find that giving patients undergoing Chemotherapy
the isode of the drugs, greately reduces the side effects from these
poisons.
I am sure that this is longer than what you intended to hear, but I
decided to share my knowledge and experience with you all, with the
final comment that I find the REAL remedies are the best, and I will
only resort to 'copies' if I don't have recourse to anything else, and
under the current circumstances, it makes sense to me to have something
to resort to....
Warmly
Sara
I have had several experiences with these types of instruments. The
last one was a few months ago, when a Rep from BioMeridian came here to
do a demonstration on the system. To make a long story short, at the
end when it 'picked' a remedy for me, (it picked several modalities that
could have 'balanced' the imbalances that it found, but I insisted on
Homeopathy), it picked Berberis V. It was impressive, because it WAS
indeed the remedy that had repertorized for me earlier that day. It
then 'created' the remedy in water from its database, and I took it, and
it did not do anything, but then I went and took my 30C of Berberis V
which cleared the situation in a few hours.
The BioMeridian is so expensive ($17,000 or so) that it prices itself
out of the range of most Homeopaths. I know a lot of Chiropractors who
use it, and then some practitioners who have SOME knowledge of
Acupuncture points, and a tiny bit of knowledge of Homeopathy, and they
buy the instrumentation and start practicing and impressing clients with
the printouts and readouts.
As to the various remedy making units:
I started getting interested in them in the last couple of years, for
several reasons. First, because of some premonitions that I have had
regarding the availability of remedies. Now, following 9/11, it is
acutely more so, as now packages coming to the USA (and I know of
several other countries as well) are subjected to serious irradiation
with strong Xrays and some with Gamma Ray-like contraptions. Knowing
this makes me want to own as many remedies as possible and to have those
remedies secure. So, remedy making instruments became a focus of
investigation for me.
The second reason for this interest is the fact that a great many
remedies are not allowed in the USA, or are 'by prescription' only to MD's.
I had to get used to the theory that these units espouse, that
Homeopathic potencies, especially those beyond the 12C potency, are
nothing but frequencies. As such, it makes sense to replicate a given
frequency, without the need for the actual substance to be diluted and
potentized. I am not sure that I have gotten over this hurdle... But,
I always keep an open mind and listen to what the 'proponents' and
'oponents' have to say and then weigh the information based on my own
background, training and understanding.
In this context, I checked out several options.
First, machines like the above BioMeridian (Vega machines, the Phazx,
the Mora, the BioCom, etc.) all have in their databases, the
'electronic' signature of the many, many remedies, and the ability to
replicate those electronically into distilled water or onto pills, with
the extra ability to pick whichever potency is required. This is an
attractive option, as the sky is the limit with these pre-programmed
databases that continue to expand, and to which the practitioner can add
whatever he/she wants. But again, all of these machines are highly
expensive (some are in the $30,000+ range...).
Second: There are dedicated remedy maker units, such as the SE-5 (which
is actually a very elaborated Radionics machine) which are less
expensive but still very expensive (SE-5 is $2700). This unit depends
on 'rates' that have been researched by various Radionics practitioners,
and the rates that are included in the rate books for this unit are such
that have been found by INDEPENDENT people from various localities in
the world, to be the right rates. What this means is that different
people, independently, found the same rate for a substance. Then it is
included in the book, and according to the people who use these
machines, the remedies that are created this way are very reliable.
I have talked to a gentleman in Seattle, WA, who has an entire booming
business, where he creates Homeopathic remedies (as well as all kinds of
other vibrational substances) with the SE-5 machine, and supplies these
remedies to doctors and practitioners all over, and apparently, the
remedies work.
Another known Homeopathic supplier here in the USA has supplied remedies
both for myself and other professionals, and the remedies always worked
really well. Recently we all found out that ALL of his remedies were
prepared Radionically, with a different system, the Malcolm Rae Cards
and the Remedy Replicators from Magneto Geometric Applications in the
UK. There is not much information about this system because it has been
attacked by 'the powers that be'. The replicators themselves are rather
cheap (less than 200 English Pounds), and they don't require any
maintenance, but the cards that are used to make remedies are about $2
each one. So, to have a vast 'pharmacy' of cards can cost a lot of
money, and as more than 26,000 cards exist, one can see how eventually
it can climb up there.... These units can also take any SUBSTANCE and
potentize it according to the chart that comes with the boxes. The
cards are produced by dowsing with pendulums and then graphed unto a
geometrical shape that is inscribed on the card. The card is inserted
into a slot in the box and its geometrical shape is magnetically
imprinted on the liquid or the pellets in the 'outbox'.
I personally know a Homeopathic Veterinarian, who is using these boxes
and cards EXCLUSIVELY in her practice, and sells various remedies for
pets and animals with great success and with great results.
I don't know if anyone on this list has ever used 'Papre Remedies'. I
have had the necessity of using these several times, and I have to say
that each and every time it was successful. Paper Remedies are simply
the NAME OF THE REMEDY and its' POTENCY written on a piece of paper and
given to the patient to wear on their body. I had to do this first many
years ago, when I was travelling without my kit, and my hostess came
down with what seemed to be a very severe Urinary Tract Infection. I
repertorized her case and it was a clear and unwavering Cantharis. But
there was no Homeopathic pharmacy around, and it was a choice between
her wish to take antibiotics or run to the E.R., or trying to resolve it
with Homeopathy. So, I wrote Cantharis 30C on a piece of paper, put it
on her lower abdomen, and sat with my hand on it and the thought of
Cantharis in my awareness for about 15 minutes. Before the hour was
out, all her symptoms vanished, just like they would have with Cantharis
pellets. Since that time, I resorted to this method several times, and
each time it was just as successful. My feeling is that the realm of
INTENTION is highly effective, especially if one has a clear mind and
knows the remedies well.
Another remedy making machine, which is MUCH more affordable is the
"Sulis" remedy maker, also from the UK. This unit costs around 700
English Pounds and there are rates for just about every remedy
conceivable that are included with it. It is a small Radionic/electronic
box and according to people who own it, it creates good remedies that work.
The only unit that I have in my possession is the EaglePro remedy
replicator. This one is electronic, not radionic (I opened it and
looked inside, it has an electronic board inside and many actual
connections and switches), and it can COPY just about anything, and in
my experience, VERY accurately. It can also potentize any substance to
a CHORD of potencies (6X 30X 100X 200X). I have not used the
potentizing function because of this feature for Homeopathic remedies.
The EaglePro also has several additional features, especially one that
you asked about:
It has a probe that allows one to make a remedy from just about any
substance by putting the probe into the substance and potentizing it.
This is NOT Homeopathy, clearly, it is ISOPATHY. I have used it in this
form under this jurisdiction, with clear understanding of what I was
doing. Specifically, it is good if one needs to make an Isopathic
potency from urine, blood, saliva, or exudates from pustules, tumors,
etc. I have used it with pets and animals, with excellent results.
This little unit is also affordable, and runs around $380 US. I have
used it also to make ISODES from allopathic drugs, specifically,
chemotherapy drugs. I find that giving patients undergoing Chemotherapy
the isode of the drugs, greately reduces the side effects from these
poisons.
I am sure that this is longer than what you intended to hear, but I
decided to share my knowledge and experience with you all, with the
final comment that I find the REAL remedies are the best, and I will
only resort to 'copies' if I don't have recourse to anything else, and
under the current circumstances, it makes sense to me to have something
to resort to....
Warmly
Sara
Re: Electronic Instruments
In a message dated 2/4/02 6:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
homeopathy@safire.net writes:
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Hi Sara,
Thank you for all this information you have provided, Do I have a choice but
to take your words for all this? I just let it be, and let it pass. But
until your popularity or the popularity of people like you, using all these
radionic, electronic, and paper..etc surpasses that of the old and the still
alive masters of classical homeopaths the world over. ( using their
primitively potentized homeopathic remedies, the old fashioned, and using
them the old fashion way) I will stick to the method as stated by Hahnemann,
and expanded upon by generations there after. I can think of palliation,
mental healing, placebo effects, but curing with the simillimum is yet, no
where to be seen in what you've shared, I'm just being honest with you, not
mean.
Shukri
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homeopathy@safire.net writes:
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Hi Sara,
Thank you for all this information you have provided, Do I have a choice but
to take your words for all this? I just let it be, and let it pass. But
until your popularity or the popularity of people like you, using all these
radionic, electronic, and paper..etc surpasses that of the old and the still
alive masters of classical homeopaths the world over. ( using their
primitively potentized homeopathic remedies, the old fashioned, and using
them the old fashion way) I will stick to the method as stated by Hahnemann,
and expanded upon by generations there after. I can think of palliation,
mental healing, placebo effects, but curing with the simillimum is yet, no
where to be seen in what you've shared, I'm just being honest with you, not
mean.
Shukri
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sara Klein Ridgley PhD
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Re: Electronic Instruments
Hi Shukri,
Please read my post again, especially the last paragraph, as you are
barking up the wrong tree. Nowhere did I say that this modality or
modalities is my preferred or even secondary preference. Please, by all
means stick with Homeopathy, that's what I do.
Sara
shukribn@aol.com wrote:
Please read my post again, especially the last paragraph, as you are
barking up the wrong tree. Nowhere did I say that this modality or
modalities is my preferred or even secondary preference. Please, by all
means stick with Homeopathy, that's what I do.
Sara
shukribn@aol.com wrote:
Re: Electronic Instruments
In a message dated 2/4/02 7:49:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
homeopathy@safire.net writes:
Hi Sara,
Now that you are getting nasty, and rude, allow me to tell you, that no
matter what you've wrote in your last make-up paragraph, you still filled the
screen with two long pages of radionic, and paper remedies, etc., garbage.
After this reply to you, I will not respond to your rude posts no more, so
you can bark all you can.
Shukri
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
homeopathy@safire.net writes:
Hi Sara,
Now that you are getting nasty, and rude, allow me to tell you, that no
matter what you've wrote in your last make-up paragraph, you still filled the
screen with two long pages of radionic, and paper remedies, etc., garbage.
After this reply to you, I will not respond to your rude posts no more, so
you can bark all you can.
Shukri
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Electronic Instruments
Dear Soroush,
Some years ago, (when I was much more gullible) I let an alternative health practitioner try out a diagnostic/treatment machine on me.
There were some (electrodes?) attached to my legs, hands and head, which was connected to a computer. The computer program cost $10,000 US.
It took 45 minutes and it supposedly bounced frequencies through my body, assessing what was wrong with me. Then, at the end of the session, the "frequencies" of the "right homeopathic remedies" were "sent through my body" and the treatment/assessment was over.
Despite the fact that I had received the "homeopathic frequency", they still sold me some homeopathic remedies. While the "treatment/assessment" was free (as in introduction), the homeopathics cost $25 EACH. I was sold 5 different bottles at $25. Each bottle contained between 5 and 10 different, low potency homeopathic remedies.
For some reason, despite my enthusiasm and the assurance of the practitioner, there was no improvement in my health.
This was several years ago and I have not heard that he is using this machine at all. He seems to get more clients due to his personal charisma.
I have serious doubts about any machine that either diagnoses or treats. This particular practitioner was very confident and is a respected instructor in alternative health treatments, but he is not an educated person. I know now him to fall for every money-making/health scheme that goes by.
I will not be using such a machine when I finish my education.
Sincerely,
Natasha
Homeopathy student, Canada
Some years ago, (when I was much more gullible) I let an alternative health practitioner try out a diagnostic/treatment machine on me.
There were some (electrodes?) attached to my legs, hands and head, which was connected to a computer. The computer program cost $10,000 US.
It took 45 minutes and it supposedly bounced frequencies through my body, assessing what was wrong with me. Then, at the end of the session, the "frequencies" of the "right homeopathic remedies" were "sent through my body" and the treatment/assessment was over.
Despite the fact that I had received the "homeopathic frequency", they still sold me some homeopathic remedies. While the "treatment/assessment" was free (as in introduction), the homeopathics cost $25 EACH. I was sold 5 different bottles at $25. Each bottle contained between 5 and 10 different, low potency homeopathic remedies.
For some reason, despite my enthusiasm and the assurance of the practitioner, there was no improvement in my health.
This was several years ago and I have not heard that he is using this machine at all. He seems to get more clients due to his personal charisma.
I have serious doubts about any machine that either diagnoses or treats. This particular practitioner was very confident and is a respected instructor in alternative health treatments, but he is not an educated person. I know now him to fall for every money-making/health scheme that goes by.
I will not be using such a machine when I finish my education.
Sincerely,
Natasha
Homeopathy student, Canada
Re: Electronic Instruments
Shukri,
You are bigger than this.... Somehow I am missing something here. I see nowhere where what Sara said in this post, that could be construed as Nasty, or Rude.
Yes, she gave some education on unusual modalitys for making remedies, but that is not asking for this type of responce. I do not know what has been going on in the last week or so, but the people on this list who usually are so helpful, and edifying, uplifting, and educating, are all at each other's throats! This is not healthy. For anyone.
Let's be nice....
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2
Jennifer Ruby
Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SymphonicHealth
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shukribn@aol.com wrote:
You are bigger than this.... Somehow I am missing something here. I see nowhere where what Sara said in this post, that could be construed as Nasty, or Rude.
Yes, she gave some education on unusual modalitys for making remedies, but that is not asking for this type of responce. I do not know what has been going on in the last week or so, but the people on this list who usually are so helpful, and edifying, uplifting, and educating, are all at each other's throats! This is not healthy. For anyone.
Let's be nice....
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2
Jennifer Ruby
Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SymphonicHealth
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shukribn@aol.com wrote:
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Melanie Palomino
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Re: Electronic Instruments
Dear Sara,
Thank you for your reply re instruments. It was highly informative and I appreciated the information.
Thanks,
Melanie Palomino
Sara Klein Ridgley PhD wrote:
Thank you for your reply re instruments. It was highly informative and I appreciated the information.
Thanks,
Melanie Palomino
Sara Klein Ridgley PhD wrote: