Dear All,
I would like to add some suggestions to Rochelle's case.
Firstly this lady rang in a panic fearing she has Guillain Barr Syndrome.
Rubric to look at would be Clinging grasps the Nurse
She then went to her books to look it up to see what it was
rubric: Light desire for
She will not go back to the Chiropractor because he cracks her neck
Rubric: fear of injury
She is fearful of hospitals because of what she reads in the papers
rubric: Horrible sad stories affect her profoundly
She is fearful of osteopaths and Chiro's because she fears they will damage
something
again rubric: Fear of injury
The feeling of injury is very strong in this case
Says she turns off the news because she cant do anything about it and she is
despondent about world affairs. Again rubric Horrible Sad Stories affect
her profoundly
She has a lot of sadness and disappointment which she keeps to herself
rubric: Grief silent.
This repertories down to Gels.
The only question I would ask her is why the ear pain bothers her so much as
she has many ailments but this is the one that is most affecting her.
Lisa Barrett
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Re: online case
Thank you for that. I would also like to know why she won;t let go of the
ear problem as EFT also didn;t do much. Maybe she is one of those people who
always has to have an ongoing complaint!!!! Gelsenium was in my thoughts
initially but I really homed in on the injustice issue, Maybe I would be
better homing out from it now!!!:-)
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ear problem as EFT also didn;t do much. Maybe she is one of those people who
always has to have an ongoing complaint!!!! Gelsenium was in my thoughts
initially but I really homed in on the injustice issue, Maybe I would be
better homing out from it now!!!:-)
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Re: online case
This seems to be some input based on a manner of thinking which (tragically)
renders approximately 50% of "observations" into the rubric "Light, desire
for"
One is also aghast at the transliteration of possibly "hypochondria" or
other suitable observation with specific rubric (which appears as if
conjured from thin air) "clinging, grasps nurse.
If one subscribes to the complete folly of basing an Rx on repertorization
alone, and follows that folly up with the one of ultra-liberally (by
free-form association, perhaps?) assigning rubrics in a manner which would
be humorous if it weren't so demeaning to homeopathy and it's purpose of
curing the sick within a rational reproducible system.. well there you
have it- the Svengali Mind-only prescribe-by Repertory only school of
"healing."
Suggestion: ignore such input, or take with large material dose of Nat.M
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renders approximately 50% of "observations" into the rubric "Light, desire
for"
One is also aghast at the transliteration of possibly "hypochondria" or
other suitable observation with specific rubric (which appears as if
conjured from thin air) "clinging, grasps nurse.
If one subscribes to the complete folly of basing an Rx on repertorization
alone, and follows that folly up with the one of ultra-liberally (by
free-form association, perhaps?) assigning rubrics in a manner which would
be humorous if it weren't so demeaning to homeopathy and it's purpose of
curing the sick within a rational reproducible system.. well there you
have it- the Svengali Mind-only prescribe-by Repertory only school of
"healing."
Suggestion: ignore such input, or take with large material dose of Nat.M
Dave Hartley
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Re: online case
For Dave Hartley and any others who are interested, a differentiation
between the rubrics Anxiety Hypochondriacal and Clinging to the Nurse while
carried.
Anxiety: a strong sense of unease
Hypochondriacal: imaginery illness
Clinging:to hold fast by entwining or sticking
Nurse:A person hired to take care of another,
A person that fosters or protects
Now in our repertory we have this rubric. Are we only going to use it when
we see someone in hospital holding fast to the nurse. How restricted we
will be in our use of rubrics.
The nurse is the person who is there to protect.
In the given case the woman may have imagined she had Guillain Barr
Syndrome. But the rubric Anxiety Hypochondriacal was not actually teh
correct rubric because she already had many health problems which she was
fully suffering. It wasnt in her imagination. The fact she thought she had
Guillain Barr Syndrome was because of a sense of fright that her symptoms
were something worse.
The action of ringing Rochelle was not Anxiety Hyponchondriacal it was a
reaching out to the person who she sees as her nurse and she needed that
reassurance from Rochelle. This was her desire for light. She wanted
Rochelle to look it up in her book.
This is where we have to observe the behaviour of a person in their
sickness. What are they doing, what are t hey saying how are they acting.
This is what gives us the clues.
As Kent said much can be gained by going to the bedside of the patient. In
Rochelle's patient she would have behaved the same if Rochelle had gone t o
her house and seen her. It was like being at her bedside. She was
uncompensated and giving all the clues.
As Joy said in her post, gelsemium likes to be quiet. It doesnt want to
talk to people because it feels Dull - Rubric: Dullness unable to think
long.
It doesnt want to be disturbed. Rubric: Disturbed averse to being. Spoken
averse to being.
Mostly though it needs the light. It needs to know are things going OK. Am
I getting better.
Dr. Sehgal has an addition for gelsemium, which is Desires the Light
Positively.
This can be seen in patients who want you to tell them "yes you will be OK
you will get better". We all have patients who ask this question.
They need this light positively because they Fear Falling. Falling for them
is falling into wherever they feel their sickness will take them. In
Rochelle's case the woman thought these symptoms are now worse than I
originally thought. It comes close to Delusions Incurable Disease. They
can be separated by careful questioning.
Hope this clears up any misunderstandings Dave has.
Lisa Barrett
between the rubrics Anxiety Hypochondriacal and Clinging to the Nurse while
carried.
Anxiety: a strong sense of unease
Hypochondriacal: imaginery illness
Clinging:to hold fast by entwining or sticking
Nurse:A person hired to take care of another,
A person that fosters or protects
Now in our repertory we have this rubric. Are we only going to use it when
we see someone in hospital holding fast to the nurse. How restricted we
will be in our use of rubrics.
The nurse is the person who is there to protect.
In the given case the woman may have imagined she had Guillain Barr
Syndrome. But the rubric Anxiety Hypochondriacal was not actually teh
correct rubric because she already had many health problems which she was
fully suffering. It wasnt in her imagination. The fact she thought she had
Guillain Barr Syndrome was because of a sense of fright that her symptoms
were something worse.
The action of ringing Rochelle was not Anxiety Hyponchondriacal it was a
reaching out to the person who she sees as her nurse and she needed that
reassurance from Rochelle. This was her desire for light. She wanted
Rochelle to look it up in her book.
This is where we have to observe the behaviour of a person in their
sickness. What are they doing, what are t hey saying how are they acting.
This is what gives us the clues.
As Kent said much can be gained by going to the bedside of the patient. In
Rochelle's patient she would have behaved the same if Rochelle had gone t o
her house and seen her. It was like being at her bedside. She was
uncompensated and giving all the clues.
As Joy said in her post, gelsemium likes to be quiet. It doesnt want to
talk to people because it feels Dull - Rubric: Dullness unable to think
long.
It doesnt want to be disturbed. Rubric: Disturbed averse to being. Spoken
averse to being.
Mostly though it needs the light. It needs to know are things going OK. Am
I getting better.
Dr. Sehgal has an addition for gelsemium, which is Desires the Light
Positively.
This can be seen in patients who want you to tell them "yes you will be OK
you will get better". We all have patients who ask this question.
They need this light positively because they Fear Falling. Falling for them
is falling into wherever they feel their sickness will take them. In
Rochelle's case the woman thought these symptoms are now worse than I
originally thought. It comes close to Delusions Incurable Disease. They
can be separated by careful questioning.
Hope this clears up any misunderstandings Dave has.
Lisa Barrett
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Re: online case
One more thing...all this need for reassurance just reminds me of
Pulsatilla...and Phos is easily reassured....
Pulsatilla...and Phos is easily reassured....
Re: online case
This sounds good Lisa , thanks(I did understand what you were getting at
BTW!!). Just had a thought that the "desire for light" can also be shown in
this patient when she demands to know how the remedies work and how EFT
works.
Regards,
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
BTW!!). Just had a thought that the "desire for light" can also be shown in
this patient when she demands to know how the remedies work and how EFT
works.
Regards,
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Hi Lisa A,
Thought of Pulsatilla but I think she is a strong woman who doesn't cry
easily. She also lives at home on her own. Is a warm person, stubborn and
not changeable that I see.I will check up on this one though.
Regards, Rochelle
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Thought of Pulsatilla but I think she is a strong woman who doesn't cry
easily. She also lives at home on her own. Is a warm person, stubborn and
not changeable that I see.I will check up on this one though.
Regards, Rochelle
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total "new age" silliness.
desire for light is shown in Pt opening all the curtains, turning on lamps,
seeking photons, lumens, watts, candlepowers.
desire for enLIGHTenment is totally, completely, utterly- UNRELATED !
DO NOT CONFUSE things.
It is not "clever" it is merely CONFUSED to attempt to substitute
INEQUIVALENT and UNRELATED rubrics.
Beware that this particular "school" also recommends/practices prescribing
Rx on such inane repertorizations ALONE, without recourse to materia medica,
and for this and previously noted reasons, bears only the slightest
resemblance to what Hahnemann and most of the rest of homeopaths would
recognize as homeopathy.
Sincerely,
Dave Hartley
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desire for light is shown in Pt opening all the curtains, turning on lamps,
seeking photons, lumens, watts, candlepowers.
desire for enLIGHTenment is totally, completely, utterly- UNRELATED !
DO NOT CONFUSE things.
It is not "clever" it is merely CONFUSED to attempt to substitute
INEQUIVALENT and UNRELATED rubrics.
Beware that this particular "school" also recommends/practices prescribing
Rx on such inane repertorizations ALONE, without recourse to materia medica,
and for this and previously noted reasons, bears only the slightest
resemblance to what Hahnemann and most of the rest of homeopaths would
recognize as homeopathy.
Sincerely,
Dave Hartley
http://www.localcomputermart.com
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284
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This is VERY, very "FRINGE" in it's relationship to homeopathy.
Dr. Seghal's school apparently has his own repertory, and a form of practice
in which it is permissible to transmute by any allegorical stretch of
imagination, a symptom into any desired rubric. One then repertorizes based
on such leaping allegorical constructs, and prescribes on that basis,
without recourse to materia medica.
Kind of like homeopathy by tarot cards.
Dave Hartley
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Dr. Seghal's school apparently has his own repertory, and a form of practice
in which it is permissible to transmute by any allegorical stretch of
imagination, a symptom into any desired rubric. One then repertorizes based
on such leaping allegorical constructs, and prescribes on that basis,
without recourse to materia medica.
Kind of like homeopathy by tarot cards.
Dave Hartley
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Re: online case
I find with great frequency that pts. speak in a loose usuage of language. Since the intention is to ascertain the actual meaning of their communication, I find it necessary to sculp their thinking into selecting from our medical usuage of words those which best fit their intention. For example, a pt. may state that they are depressed or that they were Dx as being depressed. I ask them to describe for me what they mean. I note their narrative and ask of them to choose the closest fit from amongst five choices: irritability; anxiety or worry; sadness or grief; fear;
meloncholy. Each of these reflects a very specific energetic response and in the order given: an uprising and/or turbulent movement of energy; concerns which through obsession degenerate into a condition of stagnation and which are not factually based; consumption of energy; derailing of energy as in easily startled or lose of bladder or bowel control; hopelessness, as in a leaf adrift on the ocean w/o hope of reaching shore, a spreading of the energy too thinly.
The intention is create a description which the pt. can identify and of which there is an interpretation which has universal medical acceptance.
What I described are the five pathological chi's in Oriental Medicine each of which infers a very specific energetic terrain and of which I find that pts. conform their notion of how they feel to fit the language which then allows for a means of evaluating the complaints and disharmony.
regards, isali
Dave Hartley wrote:
meloncholy. Each of these reflects a very specific energetic response and in the order given: an uprising and/or turbulent movement of energy; concerns which through obsession degenerate into a condition of stagnation and which are not factually based; consumption of energy; derailing of energy as in easily startled or lose of bladder or bowel control; hopelessness, as in a leaf adrift on the ocean w/o hope of reaching shore, a spreading of the energy too thinly.
The intention is create a description which the pt. can identify and of which there is an interpretation which has universal medical acceptance.
What I described are the five pathological chi's in Oriental Medicine each of which infers a very specific energetic terrain and of which I find that pts. conform their notion of how they feel to fit the language which then allows for a means of evaluating the complaints and disharmony.
regards, isali
Dave Hartley wrote: