Hahnemann's Advanced Methods

[cameronjoneshealth]

Hi I am new here but glad to read about dosing methods. I use both dry and wet for my
animals (cats and dogs mainly) and they seem to handle both really OK but I alter my
methods if I need to. But I do not treat other's animals.

Strange to think you are here Irene with your known methods. Shouldn't you come clean
about them. You advised us on your lists to give nosodes daily as well as several other
remedies daily, usually repeated a few times each day ad nauseum. You've killed cats with
this way of treating. I know because one of mine died with it. You might not have any
cases that hang out but you sure do have cases that suffer with repeat doses and multiple
remedies for long periods of time. CJH
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Irene de Villiers wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

*Increasing* amelioration meaning that things are getting better and
better in a striking way. That's different from continuing to improve
as long as you are continuing to re-dose. Like the difference between
acceleration versus maintaining forward momentum. At least that's how
I've understood it.

It doesn't mean to stop when you're doing "well"; it means to stop when
"well" is becoming "better and better", even without re-dosing.

[briut1]

I'm not sure if David Little actually read what I was writing or that
he was told about it with some general outlines because nothing in
his thorough (as always) answer contradicts what I wrote about the
problems of managing the case with the LM method in the today's most
of the western Homeopathic setting and the fact that in most cases it
is impracticable for the Homeopath to see the patient every few days
in order to evaluate and manage their treatment.

Reading David's answer only emphasises the importance of close
checking of the patient during treatment with LM in order to assess
the exact state of the treatment in order to manage it without
corruptting it, I am quite sure David is not managing his cases via
the phone or the Email nor letting his patient decide for themselves
when to take and when to stop taking the remedy.

Yes, the repetition of the dose is to be done only "WHEN NECESSARY"
and who is to decide when it is necessary? the patient himself? or
the Homeopath over the phone? is it responsible enough??

Hn. is of course right when he tells us that "...it must be a
matter of great importance to the physician as well as to the patient
that were it possible, this period should be diminished to one-half,
one-quarter, and even still less, so that a much more rapid cure might
be obtained..." but did Hn. knew that his "old school" Allopathy
would become today's conventional medicine and that Homeopathy will
be held by a very small group of people without even one single
hospital in most countries?

If he knew that most Homeopaths cannot see their patient so often,
will he suggest us to give the patient a bottle with the LM remedy
with some instructions (as many Homeopath today are doing!!) and to
see him in a month or so? or would he suggest us to give the patient
instructions over the Phone or Email?

All I said was that as I see it now, in the current circumstances, it
is the best thing to loose the benefits of the LM method in favour of
the more easy-to-manage method of the dry dose (well, practically one
can also give one dose of LM and wait for a long period but than you
don't get the major benefit of this method, which is the speedier
cure).

And of course, I am not talking about the very sick, old or dying
patient that cannot wait for monthes for the cure or cannot handle a
dry dose aggrevation.

Ben.

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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Cameron,
I hope Irene has your permission to post the case of your cat on this
list and will do so.

From what you say in your first paragraph above, I reckon you had
treated her yourself before Irene did. Perhaps you could also post
this treatment.

We can learn so much from failures!

Regards

Luise
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[Shannon Nelson]

Oh, good perspective Luise, and you are so right!!
If this is indeed the same Irene, I would bet she can give very good
explanation for herself.
Sadly not every patient can be saved. I'd be curious why Cameron think
the cat died because of the treatment rather than the disease?
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

I have a suggestion that might make for better communication from both
"sides of the fence"... So far we've got a bunch of people commenting
on a method that, by their own admission, they are not well experienced
with nor well versed in. How about it, instead of *telling* each other
what "that other method that I don't approve of" can or can't do, and
what the problems with it are, how about if we do it in a questioning
way? E.g., "I wonder how you manage the problem of...."--rather than
*speculating* about whether it's a problem or how it must be managed.
prescribers ask to *see* their patients so often; I would be surprised
if phone contact, or even e-mail, would not suffice. Am i wrong in
this?
Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

The storm in a teacup is of your making.
I responded to a SINGLE phrase - Ben's words quoted here:
"...giving the remedy and make an appointment in a month or so in order
to watch and evaluate the action of the remedy."
My response had nothing to do with potency, nor with what edition is
used, whether wet or dry, whether pink or purple, or even whether it was
homeopathy or allopathy.

Your defensiveness "about 4th ed" was nothing to do with it )

I would not dose an aspirin and wait a month!
And as I stated, waiting a month with the kind of chronic cases I
handle, would result in dead cats. End of story.

Any more defensiveness you wish to invent, is not at my door:-)
No need to read in things that are not there!

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

cameron jones wrote:
Shouldn't you come clean about them. >

If you'd like to know more about what you call "my methods" then ask
politely and I'll be happy to oblige.

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[Shannon Nelson]

Then let the storm end...

[Irene de Villiers]

Luise Kunkle wrote:

Dear Luise and all,

I have no email from this "Cameron Jones" person.

I have never heard of any "Cameron Jones". I just did a double-check
on ALL my records since I started working with homeopathy in USA - took
a while.... but I have a copy of every email I ever sent. (I consult by
email only.)
There is no such person as Cameron Jones in any email I ever wrote -
either to such a person directly or to such a person on an email list I
own. So obviously I never gave any homeopathy suggestions to her, via a
list or privately. So there is no case to post.

Nor is there ANY evidence of Cameron Jones as a member on *any* of my
lists for the entire history of the lists some of which go back to 1998.
I just checked that as well - there is not a single email from any
"Cameron Jones" (or any person with the name "Cameron") in any archive
on any list - not one.

So if she had a cat and the cat died - I am sorry she lost a cat - but
what she said and implied about me on THIS list - was completely untrue
- and I have no idea where she invented it from either.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."