NBHE homeopathic board/digression

[Shannon Nelson]

Dr. Roz,
I wonder whether some of this could be done through the Homeopathic
Symposium? I know one can do only so much without the "hands-on", but
do you think that at least some of it could be done in that
(computer-based, pre-recorded) format--and a fuller understanding of
what else we should be seeking out? Could be illustrated with cases in
which the knowledge was important, and e.g. some such as Irene gave us
with figuring out remedies for the FIP kitties could be "inspiring".
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

On May 2, 2007, at 4:24 AM, wrote:
100 hours of homeopathy training is very little. If I remember right,
the four-year, part-time Devon School program is considered 1,000
hours, so 100 hours would not even take you thru the first year... But
the measurements may not be comparable, so maybe not a clean
comparison?
hours of instruction? Would that be a two-semester class, or ??
Shannon

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Tanya,

I agree with what you say, and I have often argued that way on this
list (and/or the ex-lyghtforce and esp. the German lists.)

- Depending on what method of homeopathy one uses and provided that
one very conscientiously refers for conventional diagnostics and takes
serious the warnings of possible dangers etc.. -

It does depend on the method you use. A Sehgal therapist, as an
extreme example, would gain no benefit from the conventional
knowledge. From what little I know of the method, I should say the
same for the "Sankarans". Etc.

I think those should be expected to spend their time and energy to get
ever better knowledge of their own method. After all - these resources
are limited for anyone.

I see much more danger in homeopaths with insufficient conventional
knowledge and experience not recognizing their limits - it would be
the same as what ROZ pointed out as far as the GP is concerned.

In Germany we have to have quite a bit of knowledge of conventional
medicine in order to pass the test for licensing - and without this
license we are not allowed to practice homeopathy. And it has been
there that I have seen this danger and have warned against it on the
list.

As I said in my other mails: Where homeopaths aim at an official
license this license will IMO require a lot of conventional medicine.
I gave my reasons. As I also said: I do not think that is the best for
homeopathy or for the patients, I just think it is the way it is.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Kathleen Ramsey]

I am a naturopath and had approximately 100 hours of Homeopathy training in
the Naturopathy Schooling. I found that you get a wide variety of
disciplines and then you extend your study in the fields you are drawn too.
I have taken advanced classes in several of the studies. I agree with just
that 100hrs of Homeopathy training I received previously I would certainly
not prescribe anything but an acute, which I did not even do that. I
think(or hope) most of us Naturopaths further our education in the areas
that we want to practice. I was fortunate to have training past the basic
anatomy before starting though.

Most clients I see do not get diagnostic tests done and will not get them
done, or do not have money or insurance to get them done and being a
naturopath does not give you the authority to request the test be done. I
see people all the time that have never stepped foot in an MD's office and
will not.

Diagnosing is very difficult and it would be nice to have an online training
class available to help push you in the right direction. I will certainly
buy and read the books Dr. Roz has mentioned. Thank you for that list.

I am currently taking the BIHUSA Homeopathy classes and find them very good
and in-depth.

Beverley not all "naturopaths" prescribe blind. There are many people in
all disciplines that have no business practicing anything and that includes
Homeopaths as well as Naturopaths and Allopaths. You can have 1000's of
hours in any training and still "not get it" but think you have. Thanks
Kathy

[Irene de Villiers]

eternalhealth@optusnet.com.au wrote:

How sad that in all those hours of training - the things we'd call
basics were missing!

It's all the MORE reason to define properly what we expect a qualified
homeopath to be able to do.
This is IMO an essential skill that can (and should) be taught....
Also something that can be taught. This bad attitude is the result of
failing to see "what's best for the client" - which can (and IMO should)
be taught through demonstrating alternative scenarios and their
outcomes. This principle should be "drummed into" students!
Nobody who thinks that way, should be "teaching" homeopathy!
The egocentric approach is not part of healing!
It needs to be client-centric in my view. It's what I emphasize with
my own students.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

If I may add a comment in response:
It's my opinion that the differential diagnosis aspects of a case are
part and parcel of EVERY case and that this a two-pronged approach:
* A course is needed on *techniques* ie
...how to read blood tests, interpret lab results, locate new research,
how to discern good from bad information, etc - all to do with important
and necessary techniques.
* More importantly in *addition* to that technique aspect, there needs
to be practical inclusion of these principles in EVERY case example
throughout the course...
- so that it all becomes second nature to the developing homeopathy
student.

It's way too important to be an afterthought added on like an extra
course - it needs to be an integral part of the way a homeopath thinks.

It can start with simple examples early in the course - and then go to
more complex ones later.
For example a current dog case - vet diagnosed a blue-looking bump on
the foot as a pus-filled abscess. It was actually a misdiagnosis - it
was really a blood blister. Hence it failed to respond to remedies to
"bring it to a head" or "to abort the abscess" - but responded well to
Lachesis.

My point is that EVERY case should automatically include a proper
understanding of what is going on in the tissues of the individual - and
at least an attempt to discover why it is going on. It's not enough to
consider differential diagnosis a "separate" homeopathy "extra", it
needs to be integrated throughout - as a basic principle, just as we
integrate "like cures like" throughout the course.

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

Excellent example, Irene. )) Thanks. Rosemary

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Yes it could, but it is a lot of work to create and I would guess that much is already available, either through books (I gave a few in another email) or through websites or DVDs or CDs.....I have just had a look at a 1995 CD called MAXX, the Electronic Library of Medicine, published by Little, Brown and Company, it has everything you need, and most probably has published more recent programmes.
So all the information is out there available, just please be proactive, go and look for it, don't wait to be invited or compelled to do it....
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi JROZ,

I had quite a lot of differential diagnosis in school - we had to have
it for the licensing test and our school was pretty much clinically
oriented to boot. So I know what I am talking about and it is not
"sour grapes":-)

Instead of writing long paragraphs let me, in order to make my point,
just ask you a question:

Do you think that a homeopath who had taken one of your courses would
have caught the bursted aneurism from the X-ray?

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Yes, because:
- he would not have looked only at the X Ray, that could have been centered only on the spine and not show it
- he would/should have gone through the differential diagnosis of what can cause back pain
- he would have taken into account the other symptoms and signs, like irradiating pain in the testicles and groins without automatically prescribing Berberis
- he would/should have paid attention to some discoloration around the navel and in the scrotum (Cullen's sign), the signature of retroperitoneal bleeding
- he would/should have palpated the abdomen too and felt a pulsating mass where there should not be one (bar obesity)
None of this was done (believe me, we did review the problem in depth); obviously even when you do all that, you might still miss the diagnosis, but the chances for that are seriously reduced........no 100% in any type of medicine........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".