[hpe] Urgent: FDA Guidance for CAM Products and Regulations

[Leilanae]

..............................
Very big crisis. is corporate acting "as if"?

Last night there was a commercial on the radio advertising Bayer
Nutritional Science
products: herbs, vitamins etc.

Bayer Nutritional Science
http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/bayer/26932/

The Bayer logo is also on pesticide/ insecticide/ GM crop products.

Bayer Crop Science
http://www.bayercropscienceus.com/products/view:temik/

Bayer Home page
www.bayer.com

One of the TAKE ACTION links:
http://tinyurl.com/2u7ghc

[Tanya Marquette]

i have been talking about this for almost 4 yrs and people
just laugh or think i am too dramatic. even today, i stopped
at a local supplier of mine and chatted with the owner's wife
and the sales woman who i have known for 15 yrs. they both
broke out laughing at the idea that vitamins would be removed
from shelves and considered toxic drugs.
this is the first week that i have been seeing any concerted
effort on the online health newsletters to talk about this issue. one
of them actually said that he was bored with the issue and would
post no more on it. he also lamented that there was no central
movement coordination. i had to write him back on his attitudes
and point out that a movement never has a real center; ie,
corporate, top down structure.
i will say that the owner of a health food store in my town was
somewhat aware of the issue and was counting on a national organization
for health food stores to handle the lobbying effort. there position
is that health food is a big business and they cant just put it out of
existence. yea for capitalist motives (i am being cynical). i did
offer to come into the store and do a public presentation. i will have
to move on it quickly if it is to have any effect. i am also trying to
write an article for an online media newsletter. lets see if i can
pull it off.
tanya

[Kathleen Ramsey]

Tanya, I too seemed in a panic about this as it is the first I really heard of it. I said to my husband that the “mentors” and suppliers of mine do not seem to be very concerned and he said maybe they are seasoned and this kind of thing happens all the time as a threat but nothing ever comes of it? Well I made a comment and made my husband and family make comments but I hope he is right and it really is too silly to ever go into effect? The last I heard the USA was a free country and we still had the right to make choices for our own well being. Hopefully money can never change that. Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Marquette
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:52 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: [hpe] Urgent: FDA Guidance for CAM Products and Regulations
i have been talking about this for almost 4 yrs and people

just laugh or think i am too dramatic. even today, i stopped

at a local supplier of mine and chatted with the owner's wife

and the sales woman who i have known for 15 yrs. they both

broke out laughing at the idea that vitamins would be removed

from shelves and considered toxic drugs.
this is the first week that i have been seeing any concerted

effort on the online health newsletters to talk about this issue. one

of them actually said that he was bored with the issue and would

post no more on it. he also lamented that there was no central

movement coordination. i had to write him back on his attitudes

and point out that a movement never has a real center; ie,

corporate, top down structure.
i will say that the owner of a health food store in my town was

somewhat aware of the issue and was counting on a national organization

for health food stores to handle the lobbying effort. there position

is that health food is a big business and they cant just put it out of

existence. yea for capitalist motives (i am being cynical). i did

offer to come into the store and do a public presentation. i will have

to move on it quickly if it is to have any effect. i am also trying to

write an article for an online media newsletter. lets see if i can

pull it off.
tanya

[Tanya Marquette]

that is just the point--our freedoms are a mythology.
if you read the Codex and the guidance on CAM with the
FDA, you clearly see this is not a passing worry. the
problem with this country is that people have bought into
the mytholody about our entitlements. this myth is
supported by the powers that be because it serves their
purpose. however, under the radar of the mass media
propaganda machine, much is going on that destroys our
freedom to chose. recently habeas corpus was done in.
we have a president who says he doesn't have to follow the
law or the constitution and guess who controls the military.
we have a congress that has no guts to take on this criminal
administration. they want to play nice and cheney laughs and
says that congress will ultimately fund their wars.
so thanks for signing and writing. i would keep up the efforts
and if it turns out to be 'nothing' i will know it was because
of all our collective efforts.
tanya

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Kathy,
I think "no such luck"... Considering (a) what has already happened in
some other countries; and (b) the whole bourgeoning "free trade thing"
(which represents freedom for "corporate interests", not for individual
governments or people), and (c) our government's deep loyalty to those
same corporate interests and "top down" control in general--I think the
"free country" thing, and specific rights such as e.g. "health
freedom", need to be vigorously defended, as they do seem to be at
risk. Have you heard the phrase, "Money changes everything?"
Fortunately "we" have money too, but it comes in drips and drops from a
million different pockets; messier, but surely that is what democracy
is about?
Shannon

[Kathleen Ramsey]

Positive thinking never hurts J So they close the comments on April 30th then what, I can’t find a vote date or anything concrete on it. Wasn’t there something similar a short while ago that did not go through? Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert & Shannon Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:51 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: [hpe] Urgent: FDA Guidance for CAM Products and Regulations
Hi Kathy,
I think "no such luck"... Considering (a) what has already happened in some other countries; and (b) the whole bourgeoning "free trade thing" (which represents freedom for "corporate interests", not for individual governments or people), and (c) our government's deep loyalty to those same corporate interests and "top down" control in general--I think the "free country" thing, and specific rights such as e.g. "health freedom", need to be vigorously defended, as they do seem to be at risk. Have you heard the phrase, "Money changes everything?" Fortunately "we" have money too, but it comes in drips and drops from a million different pockets; messier, but surely that is what democracy is about?
Shannon
Tanya, I too seemed in a panic about this as it is the first I really heard of it. I said to my husband that the “mentors” and suppliers of mine do not seem to be very concerned and he said maybe they are seasoned and this kind of thing happens all the time as a threat but nothing ever comes of it? Well I made a comment and made my husband and family make comments but I hope he is right and it really is too silly to ever go into effect? The last I heard the USA was a free country and we still had the right to make choices for our own well being. Hopefully money can never change that. Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Marquette
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:52 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: [hpe] Urgent: FDA Guidance for CAM Products and Regulations
i have been talking about this for almost 4 yrs and people

just laugh or think i am too dramatic. even today, i stopped

at a local supplier of mine and chatted with the owner's wife

and the sales woman who i have known for 15 yrs. they both

broke out laughing at the idea that vitamins would be removed

from shelves and considered toxic drugs.
this is the first week that i have been seeing any concerted

effort on the online health newsletters to talk about this issue. one

of them actually said that he was bored with the issue and would

post no more on it. he also lamented that there was no central

movement coordination. i had to write him back on his attitudes

and point out that a movement never has a real center; ie,

corporate, top down structure.
i will say that the owner of a health food store in my town was

somewhat aware of the issue and was counting on a national organization

for health food stores to handle the lobbying effort. there position

is that health food is a big business and they cant just put it out of

existence. yea for capitalist motives (i am being cynical). i did

offer to come into the store and do a public presentation. i will have

to move on it quickly if it is to have any effect. i am also trying to

write an article for an online media newsletter. lets see if i can

pull it off.
tanya

[Irene de Villiers]

Kathleen Ramsey wrote:

That's pure fiction sorry to say. There's nothing free about USA.
And more freedoms evaporate daily.

Take "raw almonds" for example.
They are not what you think - and you have no choice about it. The FDA
has decreed that they WILL be "pasteruized". (and you should see what
THEY call "pasteurization"!
That of course destroys their health benefits from delicate easily
oxidized essential fatty acids - especially omega-9 and other
monounsaturated fatty acids for example. the FDA's "excuse" is that they
might otherwise carry salmonella. Well we do NOt have the freedom to
choose to take the salmonella risk and eat genuine fresh raw almonds.

Where did our freedom to choose go on that one?

Nor does FDA care that we get genetically modified food mixed in with
the normal kind - complete with genetically produced insecticides etc.
The grain companies like Monsanto persuaded the FDa that the GM stuff is
"essentially the same" and the FDA bought it and unlike Europe - they
let it all get mixed together.
WE have no freedom of choice in that!

Do you REALLY think people have the freedom to choose a veterinary
homeopath for their pets? Or a people homeopath for their own health? Do
hyou really tbhink a homeopath can openly hang a shingle just anywhere
in USa and practise openly?

If so you are dreaming. There is no such freedom.

Nor is there freedom of choice to avoid rabies vaccines for totally
indoor pets with zero risk of rabies.
What kind of freedom of choice is that?

As a cat breeder I may not own more than 4 cats. What kind of freedom of
choice is that?

My grandson was paralysed for 2 weeks after a polio vaccine he had no
choice about - it was just done at school one day - with his mother told
- do it or he is tossed out of school.
Freedom?????

I could go on all night- it's crazy to think this is a free country.
If you try to bring your kids up holistically they are taken away from
you by child services!!!
That's "freedom"?????

No way.
This country is anything but free!!!
It's all lip-service and hype.

Now the FDA is going along with the latest big pharma long-term plans
(started in the mid-90s to "get rid of the competition from alternative
medicine" by FIRST putting CODEX in place - witout public involvemwetn -
the control rules world-wide so as to disallow overseas loophole
suppliers - and THEN (now) to add in the rules to put everything we need
on prescription by allopaths who know nothing about it.

That's ALL part of "getting rid of the competition from alternative
medicine".
Hills Science Diet and Bayer did the original study and spent if I
remember around 6 million bucks to decide how best to "get rid of the
competition from alternative medicine". One next step was a
collaboration between 8 companies in big pharma and big pet food
manufacture - with AVMA - in which their products would be promoted in
return for HUGE funding of plans over many years to get rid of the
competition - for example by promoting new "proposed veterinary practise
laws" (which force alternative medicine practitioners out of business)
and lobbying to get them into law ion each state - which they have done
with success in several states already.

They came up with a long-term plan and steps along the way - and they
are inexorably going ahead with it - under our very noses - while naiive
consumers pretend it is not happening (out of disbelief or whatever excuse.)

How is all that freedom of choice?
It's money that HAS changed it.

Grain companies like Monsanto are the money that hid the GM in our food.
Drug and food companies are behind the concerted effort to get rid of
the competition from alternative health. That's BIG money.

And what about the disgusting tactics these people use to pass laws at
3am when the opponents are home asleep?
Like S.3546 for example?
You probably never even heard there was going to be a law - much less
had the freedom of choice to comment on it as is supposed to happen in a
Republic!

S.3546 is the the "Dietary Supplement and Nonprescription Drug Consumer
Protection Act" and "Adverse Event Reporting" bill.
This new law pretty much reverses the effects of the hard-won DSHEA act
of 1994 which was designed to protect access to supplements and
remedies. Thank Sen Dick Durbin for the dastardly S.3546.
It was defeated TWICE at congressional level and then they devised the
midnight scheme to get it through:
1.03am Brief debate in house.1.42am YEas and nays called for.
Vote was a clear no and many opponenets of the bill went home - assuming
it was well defeated.
3am Head count called to ensure the yea/nay had indeed defeated the
bill. Officially there's a five minute time limit for contring votes and
at that poinmt the vote was no.

But BArton continued on till the head count was such that those still
present could make the bill pass - een thouigh 100 congreemen has
specifically votred against it earlier.
Nor did it go to a hearing as it should have done. It was just sneaked
through, and our dear President Bush duly signed it into law.

This is American Freedom of choice??????

S3546 was the first step in the FDA fully controlling and regulating all
supplements. Well it's in place and nobody asked YOUR opinion as a
citizen in a supposedly free country.

And by the way - the timing of this bill going to Congress was also
contrived - it was on the last day of a closing congress - in the middle
of the night. something THAT significant was so much manipulated!

Do you still feel it's a "free" country?

NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Shannon Nelson]

There have been numerous similar ones, and once interest flags enough,
one or another will go through. Positive thinking is great, *if* it is
accompanied by realistic understanding and appropriate action.

[Tanya Marquette]

so now we are in a defensive position trying to backpedal--and backpedal we
must to
undo this senate disaster. congress needs to be flooded with an outcry
against this
bill and the tactics used to push it through 3 a.,m.

tanya
and Regulations
it.??
suppliers

[Kathleen Ramsey]

This is the part I do not understand if it was pushed through at 3am does
that mean it passed and if so, how come I can still buy herbs? I am missing
something that is for sure. Kathy