Cervical Cancer Vaccine

[Ananda Ruchira]

Dear All,

while I have no question in my mind about the deliterious affects of vaccines in children, I like to ask about the CHW (conventional homeopathic wisdom) regarding vaccines for adults and in particular this latest rage, the so-called cervical cancer vaccine.

It happens i'm in a casual debate about it with some local friends. IF supposing it is found "effective" by allopathic standards, what're your ideas about it?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
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tel: +254 20 445-0181 / cells: 0733-895466 / 0723-869133
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Didi

The vaccine for 'Cervical Cancer' of in effect HPV is like any other
vaccine.

What we need to know is the effect of any action.

1- If a person is SUSCEPTIBLE, they may be affected by HPV and then go one
to have cervical or other cancers.

2- If we boost them with homoeopathy, will the same thing happen?

3- What do we mean by effective? Most vaccines are only partially effective
in their immediate targeted task.

4- Some vaccines have an immediate destructive result, for example death,
brain damage and epilepsy with DPT, autism with MMR etc

5- Nearly all vaccines enter the body in such a way as to by-pass the normal
lymph glands and nodes which are there to protect the body.

The immune system as a result compromised.
The person often does not suffer the primary action of the micro organism -
but goes on to suffer the long term results of a battle not fought.
Is it as a result of these that we have higher incidents of chronic diseases
such as cancers and diabetes etc?

Also based on Harris Coulter's book vaccinations affected the behaviour of
the vaccinated. He promotes the idea of the behaviour of the youth of today
in the Western World is a direct result of their vaccination.

I am sure we will have an interesting debate.

Rgds
Soroush

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Didi,
The first thing one would have to ask is, "effective at *what*?" One
problem with our "standard medical model" is that it is so
reductionist--target a single symptom, and define "success"
accordingly. Yet there have been an increasing number of examples
where a "therapy" has been found to reduce one symptom, yet increase
other(s), e.g. reduce "death by heart attack" BUT either fail to reduce
"death from all causes", or in other cases even increase it.

No doubt a *few* allopathic treatments are actually useful in a
holistic way--e.g. platinum treatments for ovarian cancer are (I have
been told) in fact curative in a large number of cases (we would say
due to the strong homeopathic correspondence between platinum/ platina
and overian cancer!), but in many, many others, the "oops factor" looms
awfully large, and very slow to be recognized.

That's my thought.
Shannon

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Soroush,
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Since there probably are not too many people who were not vaccinated
as a young child - where the quesion of change long range change of
behaviour would be hard to evaluate - but were vaccinated later on in
life -- perhaps the experience of one of the latter might be
interesting.

My mother was anti-vacc., so was our family doctor, so between the two
of them they managed to keep me non-vaccinated even in Nazi Germany,
where there was no issue of personal freedom;-(

I was first vaccinated (smallpox) at age 10 - by the same doctor. He
barely scratched my skin when applying the vaccine, it barely reacted
- but the doctor certified success anyhow:-)

When I was 25, marrying a US American soldier, I got ALL the
vaccinations then around at one fell swoop - and for the next 5 years
boosters again and again.

While of course I do not know whether all this did some damage or not,
whether some of the things that did come up during the next 40 years
of my life were due to those vaccs -- I DO know that the vaccinations
did not change my behaviour!

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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[McPhee Family]

Ah, a question near and dear to my heart,
Unfortunately, the Gardasil vaccine only purports to protect against 4 types of HPV. According to the Gardasil package insert, there are more than 100 types of HPV! Two of the 4 strains it protects against are responsible for apx. 70% of cervical cancer cases caused by HPV (not all cervical cancer is caused by HPV). So if it actually works, it would purportedly leave you less vulnerable to cervical cancer. However, as an adult, if you have already been exposed to those types of HPV (and most are asymptomatic and will not cause disease) which apx 50% of people have, the vaccine will be useless. (Thus the reason they are targeting little girls.) Can you imagine the uproar if anyone even suggested we vaccinate 9 year old girls against gonorrhea?!
Not to mention, it offers no protection against AIDS, chlamydia, herpes, etc. It intentionally fosters a false sense of security. Like with any vaccine, it carries the risk of damaging the immune system.
It states right in the package insert that if you are pregnant or planning to get pregnant, you should not receive this vaccine. HELLO - how many little girls and young women are planning to get pregnant???!! GEEZ!
The longevity of the vaccine has not been studied so it is unknown whether the protection will last more than a few years or whether there are long term side effects. In addition to the normal vaccine reactions of swelling and itching, reactions include fever, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, and severe allergic reaction. Fainting has been reported following the vaccine, as stated on the package insert, which is an uncommon reaction to most vaccines. Reports of reactions in the VAERS (National Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) include seizures, fever, pain, and Guillain-Barre syndrome.
The vaccine also includes aluminum, sodium chloride, L-histidine, polysorbate 80, water, and sodium borate - boric acid - poison! which is also banned in the United States as a food additive. It is also an insecticide and anti-fungal which is probably what it is used for. It is toxic to all cells.
Get this - according to the National Cancer Institute, the lifetime risk for cervical cancer is 0.73% - That is less than 1 percent! Many would say well it would make a difference if you were part of that one percent. Well, I am confident in my opinion despite the fact I had pre-invasive cervical cancer at 23 - no indication or positive test for HPV. This came several years after a disastrous MMR revax in college at age 19 which brought on severe environmental allergies, reactions and allergies to almost all foods, exercise induced anaphylaxis, fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue which has lasted for almost 20 years despite wonderful improvement for the rest with homeopathy. My daughters will *never* get this vaccine as long as I am alive.
Suppose they'll still think it's a good idea? The weakness or susceptibility to vaccine is there whether child or adult. If it were my friends I would suggest they do themselves a favor - skip the vaccine and wear a condom.
Truly,
Erica
Didi asked:
while I have no question in my mind about the deliterious affects of vaccines in children, I like to ask about the CHW (conventional homeopathic wisdom) regarding vaccines for adults and in particular this latest rage, the so-called cervical cancer vaccine.

It happens i'm in a casual debate about it with some local friends. IF supposing it is found "effective" by allopathic standards, what're your ideas about it?

[Eileen Dannemann]

Hi Didi
I have a webpage on this with tons of info
No vaccines are good
No vaccines give immunity
All contribute to ill health
See details at the webpage of this latest greatest money making scheme/scam

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/hpv.htm

Sheri

At 01:27 AM 4/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Hi Luise

But not everyone who is immunised with MMR ends up autistic! So the
negatives are not the point!

So if your behaviour was not changed - you are lucky

But then you were vaccinated with all the other vaccine bar smallpox at a
late stage - past your teens.

Read Harris Coulter's book - Vaccination - A shot in the dark


Also read http://www.guardian.co.uk/parents/story ... 40,00.html

Rgds
Soroush

[Theresa Partington]

Hi Didi
The response to this query from a homeopathic group is quite predictable but I will add my 2p worth!
I must admit that I would fight clear of vaccines for myself unless entering a plague area, and my children were not vaccinated against normal childhood diseases.( Many of my patients were, however, and many of them seem pretty healthy to me!)
When my children reached the age of consent (vaccine wise) and both opted for the meningitis jab I accepted it with good grace. I felt that they had been at their most vulnerable when below the age of puberty and especially under the age of 7 and their undoubtedly sturdy immune systems could probably cope with this last insult. There are, of course, adults who react badly to jabs but I suspect it is less frequently dramatic and less quietly insidious than with infants. Where is my evidence/ my statistics? Nowhere…..
As far as the HPV jab goes – it does feel like it might have a problematic effect on the expression of the sycotic miasm but also, although condoms don’t protect against HPV the psychological impact of giving the impression that you can protect against STDs (or the more visible ones) with a jab is probably going to be negative in consequences, don’t you think?
Don’t know if it is relevant but I attended a talk on women’s health recently and a cervical screening woman showed us a map of c.c. incidence. It was very high in South America, Africa and India and low in North America and Europe. She put this down to the screening programs and said hpv was so prevalent everywhere that it was almost the norm - and that promiscuity had nothing to do with it. An interesting glitch in her argument was that cc incidence was also low in North Africa and Moslem countries - she produced no evidence of intensive screening programmes there. When I asked about this she said that perhaps they did not share partners there. Left me a bit confused and less impressed with efficacy of screening programmes than I was before I heard her.
What did you and your friends come up with as a conclusion to your discussion?
Theresa
Didi wrote

while I have no question in my mind about the deliterious affects of

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Hia All
The incidence of cervical cancer is low in Muslim countries - one reason could be that most men are circumcised.
There seems to be a connection between male circumcision and the catching of HIV and passing on the agents for cervical cancer.
Does any one have any statistics from Israel where again as per Abrahamic instructions, males are circumcised.

Rgds
Soroush

[Ananda Ruchira]

hi ALL.

Thanks to everyone contributing their views on this thread. You have given a far better articulation of ideas than I could piece together. I had really wound myself into a hole with trying to put it together.

My "debate" is with some potential partners-that-might-be who want to do "cervical cancer screening". Your emails have led to the answers I was looking for. From the hints given in your emails, I can understand the underlying motives of these parties. What I suspect (not yet verified) is they want to use Africans as their guinea pigs for testing or for other allopathic-supporting stats, etc.

You've now given me some "ammunition" to counter with and also firmed up my moral stand on the issue.
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
visit: www.abhalight.org
tel: +254 20 445-0181 / cells: 0733-895466 / 0723-869133
skype: anandarucira
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