Cat with aggressive breast cancer

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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Joy Lucas wrote:

"so-called"???
I'm happy to debate what I do or do not do - minus the insults.
I assure you that if my repertorizing technique was as shoddy as you
imply, I would not have healthy cats after the vet calls them incurable.
...and whatever else will help the case to achieve returned health,
based on good knowledge and a reasoned appraoch added to a simillimum.

It has often occurred in the past that we saw an effect we liked
before we understood why we saw it. Hippocrates saw the effect of likes
curing likes too, but did he understand what he was looking at? Do we?
Whether we do or not, it does not change that is happens.
And with respect - whether you agree with what I do or not - the
results are restored health in more cases than with simillimum alone,
for a statistically significant number of cats.

I add everything I know how that helps - to the simillimum - to restore
health. If doing a rain dance would restore health to the cats I'd be
rain-dancing too :-)
Nope.
I do not do guesswork, and it is inappropriate to suggest it.
Hahnemann did not either - he did meticulous experiments always based on
what he learned before - that's not guesswork either.
I use the same principle.

So any criticism on your list of objections is indeed "possible" but
that does NOT make it likely and it does NOT make it guesswork.

It seems that if it is something new and added to what Hahnemann did -
then you do not want to accept that addition - and feel that a
simillimum will either cure or the case is "incurable". That's your
prerogative.

That also seems to be where we differ.
I am an optimist and wish to cure the "incurable" :-)

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Joy Lucas wrote:

Your opinion of my approach seems to ignore the increasing success rate.
The healthy cats and their owners have thanked me for my opinions.
I appreciate those opinions too as we all strive to do the best we can.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Joy Lucas
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Joy Lucas »

you cannot say, in a multi therapy practice as what you describe, what
produces what result - it is as simple as that

am still waiting to read where you got the idea about prescribing
unproven potentised sarcodes

if you feel insulted then it is merely the result of a challenge
regarding my understanding of hahnemannian homeopathy and yours!

and if your repping and prescribing was so accurate then why even
think about prescribing these strange substances - unproven potentised
sarcodes - alongside the simillimum? it seems you have not the faith
in the simillimum, i.e. no faith in hahnemannian homeopathy so you
have to tweak it unnecessarily and still call that homeopathy

Joy

http;//www.joylucashomeopathy.com

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are incurable cases
based on


Joy Lucas
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Joy Lucas »

but your success rates might be due to the homeopathic simillimum -
now that really would be wonderful but you prefer to tribute the
alleged successes to the unproven potentised sarcodes - strange
indeed. Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy

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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Joy--Comment below:
Um, no....
The "contest" has been between theory re what's "Hahnemannian", versus
Irene's very specific and very empirical *observation*, that cats with
FIP treated with prednisone do not live long enough, or have enough
vital force (thymus action) to let remedies do their work, but that
with these appropriate supplements and thymus 30, sometimes they *are*
able to live long enough for the remedy to cure them. That is
observation, which is also the basis of homeopathy, and the basis of
any science. Where's the "theory"?
Shannon


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Er, yes you can. If one is well experienced with both/all modalities,
and "mixing" judiciously and within the limits of familiarity, then
yes, you certainly can. I think this is another example of, "Those who
say it can't be done, should not interrupt those who are busy doing
it..."
Joy--have you been *reading* her posts?
The answer is simply back to her observation--that without it, they
die; and with it, about half live.

So are you doubting her truthfulness, or are you saying that "purity"
matters more than life-or-death?
Shannon


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Shannon Nelson »

On Mar 31, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Joy Lucas wrote:
Who was it that said... "Keep doing what you have always done, and you
will keep getting the result you have always gotten." In this case
(FIP kitties treated with prednisone) the "always gotten" was death.
Which, compared with using sarcodes and all, is tidier, yet somehow
less satisfying...
Shannon


Joy Lucas
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Joy Lucas »

the theory is that the prescriber has allegedly given the simillimum
but also given unproven potentised sarcodes and claimed some success
rates -no point in keep repeating it

we have very many homeopathic rx that treat so called drug abused
cases, you only have to consider the huge amount of vaccinated people
who then suffer years of ill health and whose health can be turned
around by appropriate true homeopathic prescribing

the so called observation in these case are extremely doubtful and
suffice to give credibility to an even more doubtful practice of
prescribing peculiar substances - that's the theory, that the
simillimum isn't enough. Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

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Joy Lucas
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Joy Lucas »

er! then explain how you can, with evidence

have you been reading my posts cos it is getting tiresome to keep
requesting answers

e.g. potentised sarcode given + 'real' simillimum versus potentised
sarcode given and wrong alleged simillimum - you tell me how you
define the result - through convenient observation it would seem

one sees what they want to see - yep, full of doubt and it is beyond
me how people will experiment with animals and humans. Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
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potentised


Joy Lucas
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Post by Joy Lucas »

then I really do not know why you have any belief in homeopathy at all
- end of story shannon. Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
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