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[Shannon Nelson]

And there's the one about (if I remember this right) abscesses being
reabsorbed by silica in low potency, and hastened by silica high. That
too I am skeptical of, but dunno.

[Shannon Nelson]

So that would be as an ongoing, repeated thing, more like a medication?
Or have you seen it make a lasting change?

[muthu kumar]

I use it more like intercurrents- the way I would nosodes- but not
very much- usually I confine myself mostly to Knerr and Hering and so
these are not my usual remedies

But I have seen a lot of help with Thyroidinum in some skin diseases
and to complement Graph etc.

Same case with Oophorinum , Folliculinum etc. Sometimes they seem to
stimulate the system and some medicines seem to work better after these
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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I think Gallvardin also used to specify potencies of specific remedies in one of his book entitled I believe 'Plastic Homeopathy'
(i.e. as in 'Plastic surgery ' : how to use homeopathy to change or improve physical undesirabilities)

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks, I'm glad to know this potential use of them!
Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

> And there's the one about (if I remember this right) abscesses being

Dunno either - I've yet to use Sil for a cat abscess. It often involves
fever and extreme pain and cats might be very ill. Cats are prone to
abscess. If the client has or can get Tarent-c 30C I like Calendula
lotion topically and the Tarent internally perhaps 4 hrly (and it really
knocks the nasty pain for six). Abscess will abort or drain depending on
the situation (not dependent on remedy but on abscess stage and life
force involved IMO) ...... then when drained, change to calend ointment
topically to tidy up.
IF no tarent-c, then Bell 6C but more often like 2 hrly for pain
and bringing to a head - then Hep-sul to drain and then Calend to tidy up.

Other posts in this thread have discussed low healthy tissue potencies
and high hormone potencies as if they are possibly relevant in a similar
way - I do not think they are:

I don't think though that the 30C type remedy - compares to a sarcode
low potency which is to me more of a potentized tissue substance than a
homeopathic remedy of a potenially damgerous original substance.

Earlier there was a suggestion that hormones are not to be toyed with -
but sarcodes have nothing to do with hormones or whatever is producesd
by the gland. Thymus remedy is from the gland itself. Thymus 4C sarcode
is not what is produced by the thymus - it is the actual thymus tissue.

Folliculinum high potency - or Pred high potency - or anything high
potency - is a different matter, and is very far from material dose - or
from "strong" material dose - as in sarcodes after a little potency
addition to basic tissues.

I just think we need to not mix apples and oranges here.
Sarcodes are healthy tissue not hormones - and slightly potentised.
It's not as though full strength thymus would be a problem - while full
strength pred or other hormone is definitely a problem.
Let's not confuse them as having equal risk or effect in our discussion.

My words:
Response:

My experience re Pred 30C is so limited as yet, but it is as follows:
Pred is used almost universally in FIP cases by the vets involved (along
with antibiotics - my idea of a death sentence). The sad thing is that
homeopathy can not beat FIP after Pred has been administered -
especially in Wet FIP due to the speed of the disease and the
devastating damage of the pred. So I had seen only 1 case in 3 years of
wet FIP restored to full health after pred was used, despite my best
efforts out of perhaps a dozen cases. (I get closer to 50% with no pred
involved. Pred cases thus become candidates for palliation if the clietn
agrees.)
A month or two ago I imported Pred 30C and added it to a Pred case
of wet FIP, so far in two cases. One is so far recovering health very
well though it is early days to be sure of long-term health. (Usually in
wet FIp once health is restored it stays restored.) And the other case
is newer and is not well, still struggling, but at least hanging in
there and seemingly not unhappy, still eating though currently very
weak. Time will tell - but it might be fair to say at this point that
the Pred 30C is not making things worse in the two cases where Pred
drugs were used.
I am encouraged to continue trying it to see if it helps more cases.
I would also add Thymus 4C in case that also helps - but Seroyal now
wants me to buy liability insurance before they will sell me anything
and that is nonsense - so I am looking for another source.
So on that - I do not know from my experience whether it will help.
I deal with many cases considered hopeless, and with owner involvement
am willing to inform them about new things that have good development
work behind them *if* the item has a strong expectation for safety and
at least a theoretical reason to be helpful to the case - (assuming
there are no better options to suggest.)

NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

hahnemannian2002 wrote:

Do you really think it is an either-or situation?

My belief is that both are relevant and act at teh same tiome.
To me this is why some conventional vaccinations "workl". In my opinion
any effectivenes of a vaccine is due to tyhe homeopathic actio of the
vaccine and NOT the antiobpdyu-producing aspect (despite what allopathy
says).

This to me would explain why for example a TB vaccine does cause TB
antibodies to be formed but does NOT confer ANY immunity to TB. It also
explains why a TB vaccine confers some resistance to leprosy. (They are
similar organisms - so the homeoprphylaxis principle is at work here,
NOT an anti-body "immune response".)
Likewise it explains why "smallpox vaccine" which is actually made
from cowpox", is one that "works".
It is not in my opinion the antibodies from the vaccine that "work" or
have anything to do with resistance (which allopaths incorrectly call
immunity) - it is the homeopathic effect of the cowpox being similar to
smallpox and causing homeoprophylaxis homeopathically - that is why
cowpox vaccination builds resistance to smallpox.

Antibodies are a separate issue - a dangerous one.
YEs exposure causes them to be formed - but whenm a vaccine does it the
body's response is overwhelmed causing massive TH-2 cytokine response
and skewwing.
In natural disease, the disease also induces antibodeis to be formed -
but not in a way to overwhel;m the TH-1 cytokine system - and in fact in
natural disease the TH-1 cytokines are enhanced and the TH-2 remains as
before. Tehre is no skewing to Th-2-damaged immune system.

To my way of thinking, the antibodies are a bit useless in terms of
resistance or "immunity" simply because of how the immune system functions.
When a foreign organism lands on/in the body - it is the TH-1 cytokine
response that is supposed to be triggered and that WILL be triggered (if
it has not been destrioyed by vaccines and drugs) to get rid of the
invader where it lands. NO disease will then occur. That is true
resistance to disease.
If however the Th-1 response is damaged such as by vaccines, pred,
soy, etc - then the Th-1 system such as it is, will be overwhelmed and
the cytokine feedback loops will "tell" the Th-2 guys that there is a
war on and that HUGE response is required - so Th-2 goes to war. Tehr
esult is allergies and immune compromise diseases, as there is no
overwhelming onslaught to fight - it's a mistake beause the TH-1
response is too damaged to work.

However in cases where TH-2 response is needed - and IF antibodies are
there - THEN the antibodies will go to work AFTER the Th-1 system failed
AND disease got started AND feedback went to Th-2 system for just such
antibody backup forces.
There has to be established disease before Th-2 system can even
recognize a need for the antibodies it has in the store.

In my book, allowing a problems to arrive in the body *unchallenged* and
to let them establish disease - and then only getting the TH-2 antibody
response triggered to chemically fight the disease - is not "immunity".
It is just back-up chemical ammunition storage for if a disease reaches
a certain stage.

Immunity IMO comes at an energetic level - as we know from homeopathy
and homeoprophylaxis. It's not to do with chemical level antibodies in a
back-up system that is over-expressed due to severe damage of the
primary system that is supposed to keep bugs at bay.
Hence in your initial sentence above, when you separate action as
physiological at low potency and suggest it is energetic at high - I
question that. I think there is an energy action at both potencies, and
depending on the life force and need of the client/animal - the low
potency will show energetic and/or physiological effects depending which
are stringer and which have more susceptibility - where the high potency
will only show energetic effect, the physiological one having been
diluted out.
I thought sarcodes were by definition healthy tissue - and then that
excludes any hormones. Hormones are not tissues.
Pred is not a sarcode at any potency being made from a hormone - but
Thymus 4C is being made from pieces of the tissue of a thymus gland.
Likewise Thyroid 4C is a sarcode but no thyroid hormone is one.
Hormones are - not tissues.
Only the hormones - not the tissues of sarcodes - are governed by
feedback loops (in MANY cases, not all). And the hormones can be out of
whack for many reasons, including tumours - and no feedback will fix that!
Thyroid 4C has no hormones. It is the healthy TISSUE of the gland - not
the hormones produced by it. (There are remedies from thyroid hormones
as well but they are not sarcodes.)
No. The sarcode has to do with having a healthy gland that therefore
produces the right hormones - it has nothing to do with the actual
hormones. If there is hypothyroid - the sarcode is not there to change
the hormone production but to change the thyroid gland to be healthier.
That may LEAD to an improved hormone situation (hopefully) but it is not
a hormone remedy.

Similarly a blood vessel sarcode is to help build better blood vessel
tissue - all sarcodes are tissue remedies.
A misunderstanding....
Tissues have no physiological action.
NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Simon King wrote:

Are they STILL not allowed potencies over 30C in France?
I thought (hoped) that was historical?
It's an interesting one and I too have seen different potencies of it
suggested for different uses. That's just development of low potency
remedies however as I understand it - not development of sarcodes which
is a separate area.

I've never seen folliculinum described as a sarcode. (Dolisos lists it
as a remedy, not under sarcodes.) So I believe it's a regular remedy and
has hormonal aspects in it as far as I understand.
I have limited experience with it - mainly for a rather unorthodox use
by cat breeders who do not want to overbreed their working queens. Foll
200c given early in a call, will cause a shortened almost aborted call,
in a way that avoids the ovarian cysts and pyometras that cats are prone
to if not bred in a calling season - and which avoids the false
pregnancy induced by manual stimulation instead such as by a "teaser
tom" (vasectomized male).
It's an issue due to cat biology and a desire not to over-procreate:
It's important for a calling cat to ovulate and that is induced at
mating - and does not happen naturally without mating - hence the cysts
etc when an entire cat calls and is not mated. Foll 200c prevents all
that hassle for cats the owners want to use fro breeding later. (Better
to spay those not planned for breeding - on reaching maturity - not when
still kittens.)
I know of breeders in UK using Foll 9C to try to get cats to
ovulate after they became sterile on the "pill" there. (Contraceptive
drugs are not approved in USA for cats.)

NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I only know Foll from the human MM so I can't comment re Puddy Tats

Whether the French are still stuck with the 30 or not I know not either, all I know is I can't legally practice there - BWAAAH! (trans: Merde alors!)

[Joy Lucas]

who is teaching this as homeopathy - it seems you are experimenting
with animals and humans with this sort of approach - the dynamics of
potentising ANY substance can render it 'dangerous' if given routinely
and without sx matching and without knowing how it will effect the
susceptibility of the human or animal concerned

I also wouldn't say that the 30c is 'only slightly potentised'- it is
a very big dilution

the risk effect remains when prescribing potentised substances without
sx matching and your kind of homeopathy seems to be based on your own
theories and of course you have no way of knowing what substance is
doing what so how can you qualify this approach

and there always seems to be someone around who is stating
emphatically that "homeopathy can't do this and can't do that" so you
resort to non homeopathic measures, keep calling it homeopathy - have
you tried every rx in the MM for FIP? Have you actually studied what
rx might apply. Just because an acute case needs prompt reaction
doesn't mean you resort to sarcodes. If we translate this approach
into general practice then what becomes of homeopathy as we know it
and as it should be

My main problem with all this is you are calling it homeopathy (which
it isn't) and backing it up with alleged success rates - fine, as long
as you don't call it homeopathy.

Please try and remember that this is a list for Hahnemannian
homeopathy. Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

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