Was rash on bottom; now types of tx

[sabyrah76]

All this discussion got me thinking and now I have a question. What
are the different classifications of tx?

In my mind, this is the list:
Curative: goes to the source, ' vital force' to stimulate true
healing w/o disrupting the function of the system - including
homeopathy

Pallative: tx that takes away sysmptoms but does nothing to
facilitate a cure

Complametry: tx that works with another tx and together the
facilitate healing / cure (maybe like chiropracty / massage)

Supressive: tx that appears to 'cure' but in fact has great
potential to disrupt the functional system.

Ideopathic: tx needed to fix a problem caused by a tx ( most likely
suppressive / allopathic) already being used for an original
condition.

What else is there? Where would the diaper rash tx's suggested fit
in?

Judy

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Judy,
Wow, a good list!!
There are three *main* distinctions that homeopaths make. Some choose
only between "cure" and "suppression", but I would say it is a mistake
to leave out the third, "palliation".
Yup. In the homeopathy framework, "cure" is considered to be permanent
(tho of course this would have to be a bit relative, and one doesn't
actually *know* how long a "cure" will last, until it has done so!).
Means that the true cause (another somewhat "relative" concept!) has
been removed; so e.g. the disorder won't come back any more, AND the
person (or whatever) is now in an overall *better* state of health and
wellbeing than before. (Suppression could also lead to the disorder
not coming back any more, but in that case the person is in an overall
*worse* state than before.)

Yes. And to add--removes (or lessens) the specific symptom, without
having *either* curative or suppressive effect over-all. E.g. oatmeal
bath for chickenpox; e.g. chicken soup for a cold; etc.
Right. That the specific problem has been removed, *at the expense* of
deeper levels. E.g. eczema treated with steroids will often develop
into asthma. So one might say that the child "grew out of" his eczema,
but then "developed" asthma. Other examples would include e.g.
cholesterol drugs that have "side-effects" such as heart disease;
malaria drugs with "side-effects" such as psychosis, etc.
Hm, is that the one that means "doctor-caused"? I'm finding it defined
as "from unknown causes", but maybe it's used to mean both...?
Anyway, homeopathically, we'd just call that "treated a suppressed
case", or "disordered", or something like that? I'm finding myself
confused by the word at the moment.
Great question!
So there were some remarks about whether CS might be suppressive (never
a good thing), or palliative (just a "band-aid", but okay as a stop-gap
if needed). The *curative* approach (in homeopaths' humble opinion
) would be to treat homeopathically, using the indicated "acute"
remedy, and then (if needed and if possible) the indicated
"constitutional" remedy--which in this context, would mean the remedy
that the person *would* have needed, had they come for treatment
*before* development of the rash (or whatever). In that way the immune
system is strengthened so that future infections should be resisted
without causing any symptoms! Obviously "cure" isn't always as simple
a process as that, but that's the model (and sometimes it *is* that
simple!).

I guess the reason that antibiotics can act suppressively, would
include the fact that they are not very discriminating (apt to kill
"good bacteria" along with bad); they may give rise to digestive
problems and consequent nutrition issues (because of killing off the
good bacteria, I assume?), and may lead to overgrowth of internal
yeast, which can cause lots of problems. Then there could be all of
the other possible issues with introducing chemical drugs into a
body--risk of allergic response, etc...

Does that help for a start?
Shannon

[sabyrah76]

I always think of more after I feel like I am done initially. I
would add prophylatic and, oh now I forget, another 'p' word. It'll
come back (There is a word for the 'tip of the tounge' phenomena,
any idea what that word is?").

Ideopathic or maybe the word is iatrogenic - means caused by a
current tx plan. Like when you go to the hospital for a broken bone
and get a strep / staph skin infection because somone didn't wash
their hands...or c-diff from a course of antibiotics tx'ed with yet
another antibiotic (which is also slipping my mind right now...I'm
really on a roll).

anyway, I guess this is a list to keep in mind when treating
anything...and good point in saying to consider what 'it' is that we
are treating.

Thanks as always,
Judy

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[Shannon Nelson]

Yes, iatrogenic--*that's* what you meant (I think), and what I couldn't
think of! I recall hearing it translated as "doctor-caused". And
yeah, homeopaths and other "alternative healers" definitely deal with
plenty of that!

Prophylaxis is a bit controversial in some homeopathic circles.
Hahnemann definitely worked with it and some homeopaths today do, but
others feel it's a mistaken endeavor. (I won't argue either way at the
moment!)

And your last--"to consider what 'it' is that we are treating"--yes, a
huge one!
If you try to treat the wrong thing, you are apt to get the wrong
result--as Irene's posts have so beautifully illustrated! (E.g. if
you assume that something is "causative", and try to treat *that*, but
in fact it is only a simple result of some deeper or other thing, that
can be fruitless at best, and harmful at worst.)

Any more?

Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

sabyrah76 wrote:

Nosocomial infection

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

iatrogenic - doctor caused
nosocomial - hospital caused

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Pauline Ashford]

HI Judy, I have always felt that many things I use outside of Homeopathybare what I call accessory measures - (following modalities falls into this category eg I get a form of psoriasis on my elbows if I am stressed and run down and anxious - the remedy is Ars alb - however I also put my elbows into the hottest water I can stand - and the burning itch disappears and the vesilcles dimish while the Ars alb is doing its job - thus I can leave it alone and not inflame it more by itching it as the remedy takes hold. The remedy of course always works on my emotional state before it reaches my skin - the 2 treatments meet in the middle)
I try very hard to make sure that they fall into what I can either prove/and or intuit to be complementary (and as gentle as possible) to my homeopathy and these include things like counselling, EFT, spinal adjustments and occasional herbal or chemical topicals. I virtually always try for Homeopathy alone however in some case I find that topical not only helps along with the remedy it also allows a Mum who is 'into homeopathy' keep a partner who is not, at bay as they can cope with something that they can 'see' to be done. It can also help to decrease the infectivity of any secretions (esp in the case of impetigo) and therefore decrease the likelyhood of transmission to any other member of the family whose vital force may down enough to allow cross infection.
As to whether the Hydrogen peroxide creates warmth - yes it can - how ever I also look at the modalities and for those who dont like heat I suggest making up a bottle of the dilution and placing it into the fridge so it is applied cold thus negating the heat effect to a certain degree. Also remember that with Hydrogen peroxide it will 'fizz' as it releases its oxygen once place on open tissue. Hope this helps answer your question regards Pauline

[sabyrah76]

LOL....who thought, just put whatever in the fridge and it won't
feel hot! I did that with a bottle of herbal cough stuff and that
went over well, but I guess the brain is slow to think of crossing
that over to creams, ect. Fabulous!

I agree, non-alternative spouses, are hard to win, but here's the
funny thing, he lets me do it...I have, in the least, convinced him
that there is no real harm in trying a homeopathic...He even lets me
give them to him when he has a complaint...now if only to drag him
to the real gal and get him treated for real.

And yes, I do have to do something conventional sometimes
that 'shows up' to prove I am doing something. I am trying corn
starch as that is merely supposed to dry up the area, I think. I
don't think my son would like the bubbling of the HP and I don't
want him playing with the stuff by himself. I'm scared to use it as
a gargle and I'm an adult.

'Preventative' was another on the tx list of modalities I was trying
to remember. Curative, complamentry, preventative, prophalatic,
pallative, supressive, iatrogenic, and nasicomial (although I guess
these last 2 are really types of acquired diseases not types of tx
though they require tx).

Rash is still there, no better no worse, as of bed time last
night... Will try to find the Ant Curd at the health food store
while I'm out today. Thanks for the list of possible remedies, I
printed it to save in my book.

Judy

[Rochelle Marsden]

For the rash I presume you have considered Medorrhinum which is a specific
for bright red diaper rash.

Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

Preventative and prophylactic mean the same, I think!