Hi Rochelle,
The proving of raven (Corvus corax) is already available in Encyclopedia
Homeopathica. If you still need some information email me.
Peace,
Gregory
Gregory Pais, ND, DHANP
926 Washington Blvd.
Williamsport PA 17701
gpaisnd@whnow.com 570-320-0747
Raven
Re: Raven
This is the poem that has just been sent to me by the patient who may be
Raven. She showed it to me when she had her last consultation but didn't
feel she needed anything then. (Puls 200 had sorted her again!!)
TORN
The forest of life is a dark, cold and unwelcoming place,
And confused and wary I begin to run,
Pursued - by my regrets and fears,
The brambles and thorns reach out towards me,
And tear at my soul,
The rivers run red as they cut and bite into my flesh,
I begin to weep,
And, though the tears wash away the hurt, the scars will remain,
Proof of the pain and torment I have suffered on my path,
But I continue to run,
For while I run I am free,
And they have not caught me yet.
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Raven. She showed it to me when she had her last consultation but didn't
feel she needed anything then. (Puls 200 had sorted her again!!)
TORN
The forest of life is a dark, cold and unwelcoming place,
And confused and wary I begin to run,
Pursued - by my regrets and fears,
The brambles and thorns reach out towards me,
And tear at my soul,
The rivers run red as they cut and bite into my flesh,
I begin to weep,
And, though the tears wash away the hurt, the scars will remain,
Proof of the pain and torment I have suffered on my path,
But I continue to run,
For while I run I am free,
And they have not caught me yet.
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Re: Raven
A proving of the blood of a North American Raven (30c Quinn)
Greg Bedayn, RSHom (NA), Director, Author
Kim Baker, Assistant Director
Jessica Jackson, LAc, extraction of themes and rubric selection
-
Folklore
Few creatures have been elevated to the status of Deity by the human
race as has been Raven,whose profound and seemingly divine influence has
encircled the globe since the beginnings of time. Considered by
ornithologists to be the most intelligent of all birds, Raven's mischievous
exploits are prolific, even legendary. The Bella bella, Kwakiutl,Tlingit,
Haida, and Tishman Indian tribes, of the Pacific Northwest coast (to name a
few) have countless legends about Raven on subjects from his being
responsible for creating the world, to many, many accounts of Raven's
behavior involving every aspect of tribal life. Raven was for the North
American Indian, after all, a God-like creature, and their ancient folklore
reflects a rich devotion both to Raven's colorful personality and to it's
idiosyncratic behavior.
-
The Legend of Bran and why the United Kingdom believes that Ravens have
successfully protected the entire British empire from attack and devastation
for over one-thousand years (as related to me in a telephone conversation
with the Queen of England's own Ravenmaster; a Mr. Cope, on March 14, 1996):
"Well, it all started with the legend of Bran. You see, Bran was a
Celtic leader who was mortally wounded while fighting the Irish. His men
brought him back to Wales where he died in his wife's arms, Branwyn (for
"White Raven" in Welsh) was her name. She soon died of grief. Bran's
followers carried his body to London and buried him on White Hill where White
Tower and the Tower of London now stand. He was buried facing the channel
towards France. A sooth-sayer warned the king that as long as Bran lay
undisturbed, all would be well with England, but a disaster would strike if
ever he was moved (During the ensuing decades, he was repeatedly moved.)
Around 1078 the Norman's invaded and built the White Tower (the oldest of
British Royal Palaces, inhabited from 1078 to 1605), over Bran's burial spot
and he has there lain undisturbed in peace ever since, as has the Crown of
England. There was rumored to have been a white raven in the flock of ravens
that lived atop the tower, that was the reincarnation of Bran's faithful wife
Branwyn, come back to look over him and the sanctity of the British empire.
This tale was related carefully to Charles the second, at the time of
his coronation in 1661. When he visited the Tower to see how the preparations
for his coronation were coming along, he asked the newly appointed
Astronomer-Royal what he was doing around the White Tower. "Getting rid of
all the birds around the Tower, Sir, as they are interfering with my star
gazing" replied the astronomer. "Stop at once" ordered Charles, keeping heed
to the grave warning in the legend of Bran. Ever since and to this day, by
royal command, six ravens are kept at all times at the Tower of London to "kee
p an eye on things." Interesting to note that shortly after his admonishment
of the astrologer, and his granting the royal reprieve for Ravens, Charles
was attacked by the nefarious Oliver Cromwell. It is said the ravens flew in
advance of the raid and warned Charles' guards in time for them to
successfully fight off the attack.
Tower of Londons current raven personalities: "Rhys" lays on his back
and juggles cups and sticks. "Hardy" will bark like a dog suddenly in a group
of people and seems to be predictably entertained by their alarmed retreat.
Currently all the male Ravens are fighting amongst themselves, vying for
mates."
-
Ravens, Crows, Magpies, and Jays Author, Tony Angell writes:
"Many Indian tribes had special names for Raven, including "Real Chief
(Haida) and "Great inventor" and "One whose Voice is to be obeyed" by the
Bella Coola). The Kwakiutl offered the afterbirth of a male newborn to ravens
to peck so that when the child was grown to manhood he would understand their
cries. The interpreter could respond to nearly a dozen raven vocalizations
that would tell him of a change in weather, the possibilitys of attcack from
enemies, warriors, an imminent death, or what the hunting prospects would be
(Boas 1913-14). Additionally, the Norse God,Odin, sent a pair of Ravens out
at dawn to fly worldwide, and they retured at noon to perch on his shoulders
and whisper in his ears the secrets they had learned. Other Norse God's
heeded Ravens advice and Viking soldiers followed his banners into battle.
Biblical writers described God-sent ravens sustaining the prophet Elijah
during his retreat to the desert, and the poet Poe employed the bird as a
creative focus for his turbucular-miasm inspired mad-lament. These are our
North American Corvids. To some they may be the apotheosis of Avian form and
a spirit worth of the highest artistic tribute. Others consider them
competitors, more to be destroyed than admired. It's hard to imagine that
anyone professing sensitivity would not recognize these birds as a most
remarkable consolidation of highly evolved animal social systems, physical
apparatus, skills, and beauty. They also demonstrate directly that often the
elusive capability to sustain healthy populations within the carrying
capacities of their chosen environments. To some degree, perhaps greater than
most of us would admit, we find this intelligent family of birds are not too
unlike ourselves. Their foibles are our own. They squabble within their
families and wage battle with those clans that would impinge upon their home
ground. Their lives involve a struggle for identity in their social hierarchy
and survival in the biologic community of their choosing. Like us, they seem
to have fleeting moments of joy when the mate is won, the game is played, the
belly is full, and the sun shines on our backs. There is also that intriguing
element about corvids that is of the unknown. These birds are more than
descriptions by weight, measure, color and distribution, for behind their
amber eyes are answers to questions we may never learn to ask."
-
The proving
I have had a life-long fascination with Raven, and once, having taken
months to nurse a young road-accident-victim, "Juaquin," back to
airborne-health in the1980's, when I lived on Puget Sound's Salmon Beach, I
developed a first-hand knowledge and appreciation of this creature of
global-fascination and lore. It was during Lou Kline's Master Clinician
course in Berkeley in 1996, that I first decided to organize, then direct, a
proving on Raven's blood (Corpus Cora principals singes. I asked my friend
and colleague, Kim Baker, to assist me in the proving. The proving went well
and the final prover's meeting became more and more fascinating and as the
evening wore on, mischevious-Raven finally revealed itself in its it's
medicinal form. I remember how the provers, one-by-one, got into the
"hot-seat" and reported their individual experiences to the assembled throng,
and how most reported what became a similarly-hilarious experience for all.
Each prover basically told his/her story of how their appetites had GREATLY
increased during the proving --one prover had even developed the habit of
standing in front of his open refrigerator, methodically eating his way
through it's contents, unable to stop until the last kernel of leftover rice
caserole (etc.) was gone. It wasn't actually funny until about the second or
third prover confirmed that same symptom and the provers-group howled with
laughter over the peculiar similarity --and then the next prover confirmed it
again, and so on. The next day I was driving into Berkeley, deep in thought
over what the similarity of increased appetites could mean, when I suddenly
realized the rubric was ravenous appetite and I nearly drove off the road
when I just as suddenly realized the source of the word: ravenous! I later
decided I was too close to the remedy-source to be fully objective during the
extraction so I asked my colleague and fellow-graduate from the Hahnemann
College of Homeopathy, Jessica Jackson, to develop the theme and rubric-
extration sections. An objective extraction is a difficult thing to performed
by any account. I feel the high quality of Jessica's work speaks for itself.
-
Jessica Jackson writes:
"While doing the extraction on Raven's blood, I realized this was not a
simple remedy. There's a complexity and intensity to it that I am in awe of.
Spending time at the Grand Canyon over the holidays with my boyfriend, we saw
many, many ravens there. Now their countenance and manners are indelible with
me."
-
"Each individual symptom must be considered. Every symptom must be
examined to see what relation it sustains to and what position it fills in
the totality in order that we may know its value, whether it is a common
symptom, a particular symptom, or whether peculiarly a characteristic
symptom." --J. T. Kent
-
"When a person presents a peculiar symptom, a dream, a modality, or an
experience, clearly, intensely and spontaneously:
--find it directly in the materia medica or repertory.
--see the feeling it creates and connect it with the overall case.
--it is directly connected to the source of the remedy.
Any marked thing can be understood in this way."
--Dr. Rajan Sankaran
-
An interesting anecdote: A special albino Raven was hatched in the
spring of 1996 at Port Clements in western Canada's Queen Charlotte Islands,
to black raven parents. It was the only baby in the nest. Human companionship
and feeding seemed important to "Lucy" and her survival. Lucy was very tame
and gave islanders and visitors much pleasure! Lucy's habit of frequent
hiway-walking caused "White Raven Crossing" signs to be erected on both sides
of the town. It seems that crows used him as a meal-ticket and were with him
when he flew into a transformer on November 30, 1997. He died instantly.
The Haida peoples tell us that in the beginning all ravens were white.
-
The extraction of the rubrics is by Jessica Jackson, LAc
Plain type indicates one prover, italics indicate two provers, bold
indicates three or more provers, a bullet indicates new unique rubrics.
Greg Bedayn, RSHom (NA), Director, Author
Kim Baker, Assistant Director
Jessica Jackson, LAc, extraction of themes and rubric selection
-
Folklore
Few creatures have been elevated to the status of Deity by the human
race as has been Raven,whose profound and seemingly divine influence has
encircled the globe since the beginnings of time. Considered by
ornithologists to be the most intelligent of all birds, Raven's mischievous
exploits are prolific, even legendary. The Bella bella, Kwakiutl,Tlingit,
Haida, and Tishman Indian tribes, of the Pacific Northwest coast (to name a
few) have countless legends about Raven on subjects from his being
responsible for creating the world, to many, many accounts of Raven's
behavior involving every aspect of tribal life. Raven was for the North
American Indian, after all, a God-like creature, and their ancient folklore
reflects a rich devotion both to Raven's colorful personality and to it's
idiosyncratic behavior.
-
The Legend of Bran and why the United Kingdom believes that Ravens have
successfully protected the entire British empire from attack and devastation
for over one-thousand years (as related to me in a telephone conversation
with the Queen of England's own Ravenmaster; a Mr. Cope, on March 14, 1996):
"Well, it all started with the legend of Bran. You see, Bran was a
Celtic leader who was mortally wounded while fighting the Irish. His men
brought him back to Wales where he died in his wife's arms, Branwyn (for
"White Raven" in Welsh) was her name. She soon died of grief. Bran's
followers carried his body to London and buried him on White Hill where White
Tower and the Tower of London now stand. He was buried facing the channel
towards France. A sooth-sayer warned the king that as long as Bran lay
undisturbed, all would be well with England, but a disaster would strike if
ever he was moved (During the ensuing decades, he was repeatedly moved.)
Around 1078 the Norman's invaded and built the White Tower (the oldest of
British Royal Palaces, inhabited from 1078 to 1605), over Bran's burial spot
and he has there lain undisturbed in peace ever since, as has the Crown of
England. There was rumored to have been a white raven in the flock of ravens
that lived atop the tower, that was the reincarnation of Bran's faithful wife
Branwyn, come back to look over him and the sanctity of the British empire.
This tale was related carefully to Charles the second, at the time of
his coronation in 1661. When he visited the Tower to see how the preparations
for his coronation were coming along, he asked the newly appointed
Astronomer-Royal what he was doing around the White Tower. "Getting rid of
all the birds around the Tower, Sir, as they are interfering with my star
gazing" replied the astronomer. "Stop at once" ordered Charles, keeping heed
to the grave warning in the legend of Bran. Ever since and to this day, by
royal command, six ravens are kept at all times at the Tower of London to "kee
p an eye on things." Interesting to note that shortly after his admonishment
of the astrologer, and his granting the royal reprieve for Ravens, Charles
was attacked by the nefarious Oliver Cromwell. It is said the ravens flew in
advance of the raid and warned Charles' guards in time for them to
successfully fight off the attack.
Tower of Londons current raven personalities: "Rhys" lays on his back
and juggles cups and sticks. "Hardy" will bark like a dog suddenly in a group
of people and seems to be predictably entertained by their alarmed retreat.
Currently all the male Ravens are fighting amongst themselves, vying for
mates."
-
Ravens, Crows, Magpies, and Jays Author, Tony Angell writes:
"Many Indian tribes had special names for Raven, including "Real Chief
(Haida) and "Great inventor" and "One whose Voice is to be obeyed" by the
Bella Coola). The Kwakiutl offered the afterbirth of a male newborn to ravens
to peck so that when the child was grown to manhood he would understand their
cries. The interpreter could respond to nearly a dozen raven vocalizations
that would tell him of a change in weather, the possibilitys of attcack from
enemies, warriors, an imminent death, or what the hunting prospects would be
(Boas 1913-14). Additionally, the Norse God,Odin, sent a pair of Ravens out
at dawn to fly worldwide, and they retured at noon to perch on his shoulders
and whisper in his ears the secrets they had learned. Other Norse God's
heeded Ravens advice and Viking soldiers followed his banners into battle.
Biblical writers described God-sent ravens sustaining the prophet Elijah
during his retreat to the desert, and the poet Poe employed the bird as a
creative focus for his turbucular-miasm inspired mad-lament. These are our
North American Corvids. To some they may be the apotheosis of Avian form and
a spirit worth of the highest artistic tribute. Others consider them
competitors, more to be destroyed than admired. It's hard to imagine that
anyone professing sensitivity would not recognize these birds as a most
remarkable consolidation of highly evolved animal social systems, physical
apparatus, skills, and beauty. They also demonstrate directly that often the
elusive capability to sustain healthy populations within the carrying
capacities of their chosen environments. To some degree, perhaps greater than
most of us would admit, we find this intelligent family of birds are not too
unlike ourselves. Their foibles are our own. They squabble within their
families and wage battle with those clans that would impinge upon their home
ground. Their lives involve a struggle for identity in their social hierarchy
and survival in the biologic community of their choosing. Like us, they seem
to have fleeting moments of joy when the mate is won, the game is played, the
belly is full, and the sun shines on our backs. There is also that intriguing
element about corvids that is of the unknown. These birds are more than
descriptions by weight, measure, color and distribution, for behind their
amber eyes are answers to questions we may never learn to ask."
-
The proving
I have had a life-long fascination with Raven, and once, having taken
months to nurse a young road-accident-victim, "Juaquin," back to
airborne-health in the1980's, when I lived on Puget Sound's Salmon Beach, I
developed a first-hand knowledge and appreciation of this creature of
global-fascination and lore. It was during Lou Kline's Master Clinician
course in Berkeley in 1996, that I first decided to organize, then direct, a
proving on Raven's blood (Corpus Cora principals singes. I asked my friend
and colleague, Kim Baker, to assist me in the proving. The proving went well
and the final prover's meeting became more and more fascinating and as the
evening wore on, mischevious-Raven finally revealed itself in its it's
medicinal form. I remember how the provers, one-by-one, got into the
"hot-seat" and reported their individual experiences to the assembled throng,
and how most reported what became a similarly-hilarious experience for all.
Each prover basically told his/her story of how their appetites had GREATLY
increased during the proving --one prover had even developed the habit of
standing in front of his open refrigerator, methodically eating his way
through it's contents, unable to stop until the last kernel of leftover rice
caserole (etc.) was gone. It wasn't actually funny until about the second or
third prover confirmed that same symptom and the provers-group howled with
laughter over the peculiar similarity --and then the next prover confirmed it
again, and so on. The next day I was driving into Berkeley, deep in thought
over what the similarity of increased appetites could mean, when I suddenly
realized the rubric was ravenous appetite and I nearly drove off the road
when I just as suddenly realized the source of the word: ravenous! I later
decided I was too close to the remedy-source to be fully objective during the
extraction so I asked my colleague and fellow-graduate from the Hahnemann
College of Homeopathy, Jessica Jackson, to develop the theme and rubric-
extration sections. An objective extraction is a difficult thing to performed
by any account. I feel the high quality of Jessica's work speaks for itself.
-
Jessica Jackson writes:
"While doing the extraction on Raven's blood, I realized this was not a
simple remedy. There's a complexity and intensity to it that I am in awe of.
Spending time at the Grand Canyon over the holidays with my boyfriend, we saw
many, many ravens there. Now their countenance and manners are indelible with
me."
-
"Each individual symptom must be considered. Every symptom must be
examined to see what relation it sustains to and what position it fills in
the totality in order that we may know its value, whether it is a common
symptom, a particular symptom, or whether peculiarly a characteristic
symptom." --J. T. Kent
-
"When a person presents a peculiar symptom, a dream, a modality, or an
experience, clearly, intensely and spontaneously:
--find it directly in the materia medica or repertory.
--see the feeling it creates and connect it with the overall case.
--it is directly connected to the source of the remedy.
Any marked thing can be understood in this way."
--Dr. Rajan Sankaran
-
An interesting anecdote: A special albino Raven was hatched in the
spring of 1996 at Port Clements in western Canada's Queen Charlotte Islands,
to black raven parents. It was the only baby in the nest. Human companionship
and feeding seemed important to "Lucy" and her survival. Lucy was very tame
and gave islanders and visitors much pleasure! Lucy's habit of frequent
hiway-walking caused "White Raven Crossing" signs to be erected on both sides
of the town. It seems that crows used him as a meal-ticket and were with him
when he flew into a transformer on November 30, 1997. He died instantly.
The Haida peoples tell us that in the beginning all ravens were white.
-
The extraction of the rubrics is by Jessica Jackson, LAc
Plain type indicates one prover, italics indicate two provers, bold
indicates three or more provers, a bullet indicates new unique rubrics.
-
Allen Coniglio
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Re: Raven
Cindee - Thanks for the info on Raven. Is this all that there is to it? It
seems that some of the specifics were left out of it? Thanks for checking.
Allen
seems that some of the specifics were left out of it? Thanks for checking.
Allen
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David Evans
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