Newborn Hep B vacc

[gail_brown]

I would appreciate your comments concerning the Hepatitis B vaccine
being given to newborns. And if there
are any way to antidote. Or recommendations for ways to prevent damage
from this vaccine.

My niece just had a baby on Sunday - they ask her to sign papers for
permission for MANY things while
in active labor. After the birth, it came to her mind that she might
have signed yes on the Hep B shot, immediately
called the nursery and ask that it NOT be given, however it was too late!

Thanks in advance

Gail Brown
Certified Midwife

[Irene de Villiers]

gail_brown wrote:

Eek. I would use Hep B 30C aqueous, soon as possible.

Namaste,
IRene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Sheri Nakken]

At 05:11 PM 3/5/2007 -0600, you wrote:

Hi Gail,
This is very difficult. This is one of the most injuring vaxs there is,
especially in newboarns.
There is no routine way to antidote - if there was, I wouldn't have to
teach on the dangers of vaccines.
And we as homeopaths wouldn't be faced with children and adults which such
serious injury.

Hopefully the mom is breastfeeding and can see a quality homeopath. Not
all children/infants react immediately or at all - depends on susceptibility
When women go into hospital for births they have to be very prepared these
days with advocates who are with them constantly and keeping the baby with
them constantly, never in a nursery. Better to birth at home, as you
probably know.
Sheri

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[Sheri Nakken]

At 08:02 PM 3/5/2007 -0800, you wrote:

And how has that been proven to help?
Sheri
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[Karen DeNoble]

I would like to comment on this topic as well.
1. Breast feeding is not the 'saving grace' as it is touted to be. Breast feeding will not undo nor prevent further damage to a child who has been vaccinated. Brest feeding is ONLY effective as a food source and when mother is in top physical and mental health and is taking extraordinary care and caution with her diet. There is far too much misinformation out there about breast feeding; and when spoken of in this manner - the reader is left with the impression that 'breast feeding' will either reverse the effects of the vaccine or become protective against it - which it simply and scientifically will not.
2. When filling out the forms for her 'newborn' did she take the time to read the forms? Why was this the first time vaccines were discussed?? As her aunt - and a midwife - I am curious as to why you yourself did not instruct her on this prior to the birth nor suggest anyone within your field of expertise to accompany her during the birthing procedure.
3. Irene wrote: "Hep B 30C aqueous as soon as possible" - but did not give her reasoning as to why. I am curious how this determination can be arrived at so quickly - without benefit of examining the child or speaking to the parents or having a full record of the protocols and treatments used during and post the birth.
Thank you for the opportunity to contribute.

Karen DeNoble,
[Hom. Student, Canada]

[Irene de Villiers]

Sheri Nakken wrote:

The 30c remedy of any vaccination is really good at preventing or
reversing the effects of the vaccine. It is similar to the vaccine so
works on the usual homeopathic principle.
Veterinary homeopaths have been using it for a very long time to do
just that - as have some homeopaths working with children - though I
know more about those using it with animals.
I'd say it is important to use it promptly - which is why I
suggested as soon as possible - since the longer the time after the
vaccines, the higher the risk of more complex (chronic) damage
consequent to the vaccine - and the sooner it is used the better as it
can stop the damage while it is still at an acute stage.

There is this awful tendency to vaccinate animals "annually" for
everything and then some.... and there is also a legal requirement for
vaccination that one can not get around in animal situations - so the
use of a remedy thus is now commonplace to overcome or prevent the
problems that occur, anad thereis much experience with this approach.

The principles are the same for people.
The trick is to obtain the remedy quickly to be most effective.

Namaste,
IRene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Sheri Nakken]

At 09:21 PM 3/6/2007 -0800, you wrote:

It is not homeopathic - it is isopathic and I have seen nothing that proves
that this works.

Not everyone is susceptible so no reaction after given this may be because
of lack of susceptibility to begin with.

It may be worth a try, but also it may cause a problem itself.
I have seen children given remedies made from nosodes have a worsening of
their symptoms after such nosode given by other practitioners.
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[Irene de Villiers]

Sheri Nakken wrote:

Sheri,
The remedy is invariably a different strain if the virus, so more
homeopathic than isopathic - and in my experience the older the remedy
the better it works - and the sooner after you administer it after a
vaccines - also the better it works (so as to avoid chronic issues
developing).
The longer you wait the more homeopathic and less isopathic it needs
to be.
It does not work so well with bacterial options as they mutate a lot
slower, but still helps.
I've seen it work more than a thousand times:-)
Maybe that's not proof, but seeing it work each time you try uit for so
many occasions shows something IS working:-)
And that's just my personal use of it - other homeopaths use this
routinely with success as well.
Anything used in excess can trigger proving symptoms - but I have yet to
see it happen in this situation.
This is not a nosode, there is no disease tissue involved, and we do not
want disease tissue - we only want to counter the vaccine. The remedy is
made from the vaccine of an earlier strain of the organism.
Of course it is a choice whether to use it but it has been very
effective in the experience of many homeopaths since we have had
vaccines from which to make such remedies. Hence I proposed it.
Ideally you'd want to use the remedy before and after such a vaccine -
then you remove the risk of adverse reaction to it in the first place.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Sheri Nakken]

At 09:35 AM 3/7/2007 -0800, you wrote:

strain of the virus? you weren't talking about the remedy made from the
vaccine?

That is isopathic.

And even if it is a nosode from some sort of disease tissue that will still
be isopathy

If what the remedy produces in a healthy person matches the symptom picture
of the patient, then it is homeopathic
And what do you see that works? They aren't injured? Do you know they
would be injured immediately without it?
Do you know they are not injured in the long term?
COUNTERING anything us not homeopathy - homeopathy works with
Countering anything is allopathy

Vaccine of an earlier strain? What does that mean?

I again say there is no proof.
Sheri
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[muthu kumar]

Irene-
I have used such medicines many times with very good results. I have
seen it working even if not given immediately. That it works is as
much a proof of its effectiveness as homeopathic medicines are claimed
to work because they are effective.