Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
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Dear Vera
You are right and clinical training is very important in procedure of education of a Homeopath. But I think as long as Homeopathy is being considered and practiced as an "Art" (Prescribing on the basis of internal feelings and experience" observing the practising of an expert Homeopath will not be very useful for a begginer. Just like this fact that you can never be "Picaso" by looking at his painting or drawing.
today the most important need of homeopathic education is providing standard and unchangable guidelines (Scientific) for choosing similimum and case management and teach them to any beginners (These are even easier to be understood when the students are observing the practising of their teachers). The art of prescription and individual methods will be authomaticly developing during years of practising and visiting patient after patient.
I personally believe Dr Hahnemann's method was closest to this goal and should be revived again as base stone of education of Homeopathy.
Regards
F. Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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You are right and clinical training is very important in procedure of education of a Homeopath. But I think as long as Homeopathy is being considered and practiced as an "Art" (Prescribing on the basis of internal feelings and experience" observing the practising of an expert Homeopath will not be very useful for a begginer. Just like this fact that you can never be "Picaso" by looking at his painting or drawing.
today the most important need of homeopathic education is providing standard and unchangable guidelines (Scientific) for choosing similimum and case management and teach them to any beginners (These are even easier to be understood when the students are observing the practising of their teachers). The art of prescription and individual methods will be authomaticly developing during years of practising and visiting patient after patient.
I personally believe Dr Hahnemann's method was closest to this goal and should be revived again as base stone of education of Homeopathy.
Regards
F. Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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Re: IHMSC- The minimum standard in homeopathic training
On Jan 8, 2007, at 5:22 AM, F. Shaddel wrote:
I think it should be said that, for an experienced homeopath to be a
useful mentor, and provide an education for his/her apprentice, there
*does* need to be more going on--as you say, Dr. Shaddel--than just
"observing"! From the brief time that I had being able to "compare
notes" (it was not exactly an apprenticeship) with a
much-more-experienced prescriber, I gained a huge appreciation for the
insights that can only come from experience--*seeing* what's in common
among patients that have responded well to a given remedy, etc, and
some of that rather impossible to describe--and the great value of that
guidance.
It would be very hard to learn from the simple process of
watching--whether watching an excellent prescriber work, or from
watching Picasso paint; but if the prescriber is also *talking*--either
between patients, or during the consult, or at the end of the
day--e.g., "What remedies come to your mind for him? ... Okay, that's
reasonable, but notice when he said...." So maybe instead of talking
about "observing the practice", we need to talk about "apprenticing
with the practice"! Definitely not a *substitute* for nuts-and-bolts
study, but IMO a hugely useful supplement, if at all possible!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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I think it should be said that, for an experienced homeopath to be a
useful mentor, and provide an education for his/her apprentice, there
*does* need to be more going on--as you say, Dr. Shaddel--than just
"observing"! From the brief time that I had being able to "compare
notes" (it was not exactly an apprenticeship) with a
much-more-experienced prescriber, I gained a huge appreciation for the
insights that can only come from experience--*seeing* what's in common
among patients that have responded well to a given remedy, etc, and
some of that rather impossible to describe--and the great value of that
guidance.
It would be very hard to learn from the simple process of
watching--whether watching an excellent prescriber work, or from
watching Picasso paint; but if the prescriber is also *talking*--either
between patients, or during the consult, or at the end of the
day--e.g., "What remedies come to your mind for him? ... Okay, that's
reasonable, but notice when he said...." So maybe instead of talking
about "observing the practice", we need to talk about "apprenticing
with the practice"! Definitely not a *substitute* for nuts-and-bolts
study, but IMO a hugely useful supplement, if at all possible!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Re: IHMSC- The minimum standard in homeopathic training
Dear Dr Shaddel,
When I refer to apprenticeship I do mean the kind of close mentoring relationship that Shannon describes in a separate post, where the situation involves much more than just observing. However, I believe that homeopathy needs to tread a fine line between the Science and the Art. There are objective, unchanging principles that are the underpinnings of homeopathic theory and practice, such as "two similar diseases cannot exist within the organism, the stronger will overcome the weaker". That's scientific, observation, unchanging. On the other hand, in terms of case management etc., it seems problematic to be too rigid on the "scientific" definitions, as this can cause inadequate individualisation of the case. Even though there are several posology protocols, treatment protocols etc., the strong necessity to individualise means that protocols have to be overturned when the case requires it, this being part of the art.
Regards,
Vera
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Vera
You are right and clinical training is very important in procedure of education of a Homeopath. But I think as long as Homeopathy is being considered and practiced as an "Art" (Prescribing on the basis of internal feelings and experience" observing the practising of an expert Homeopath will not be very useful for a begginer. Just like this fact that you can never be "Picaso" by looking at his painting or drawing.
today the most important need of homeopathic education is providing standard and unchangable guidelines (Scientific) for choosing similimum and case management and teach them to any beginners (These are even easier to be understood when the students are observing the practising of their teachers). The art of prescription and individual methods will be authomaticly developing during years of practising and visiting patient after patient.
I personally believe Dr Hahnemann's method was closest to this goal and should be revived again as base stone of education of Homeopathy.
Regards
F. Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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When I refer to apprenticeship I do mean the kind of close mentoring relationship that Shannon describes in a separate post, where the situation involves much more than just observing. However, I believe that homeopathy needs to tread a fine line between the Science and the Art. There are objective, unchanging principles that are the underpinnings of homeopathic theory and practice, such as "two similar diseases cannot exist within the organism, the stronger will overcome the weaker". That's scientific, observation, unchanging. On the other hand, in terms of case management etc., it seems problematic to be too rigid on the "scientific" definitions, as this can cause inadequate individualisation of the case. Even though there are several posology protocols, treatment protocols etc., the strong necessity to individualise means that protocols have to be overturned when the case requires it, this being part of the art.
Regards,
Vera
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Vera
You are right and clinical training is very important in procedure of education of a Homeopath. But I think as long as Homeopathy is being considered and practiced as an "Art" (Prescribing on the basis of internal feelings and experience" observing the practising of an expert Homeopath will not be very useful for a begginer. Just like this fact that you can never be "Picaso" by looking at his painting or drawing.
today the most important need of homeopathic education is providing standard and unchangable guidelines (Scientific) for choosing similimum and case management and teach them to any beginners (These are even easier to be understood when the students are observing the practising of their teachers). The art of prescription and individual methods will be authomaticly developing during years of practising and visiting patient after patient.
I personally believe Dr Hahnemann's method was closest to this goal and should be revived again as base stone of education of Homeopathy.
Regards
F. Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
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Re: IHMSC- The minimum standard in homeopathic training
When I was sitting with one of my (multiple) teachers, we were basically
taking the case together; after having heard the patient, we were both
asking questions, doing the physical (we are both MDs), discussing the
rubrics and the remedies and the mode of prescription, all this with the
agreement and in the presence of the patient.
I actually felt I had to stop after a few months for ethical reasons, as,
due to my invasive personality, I was taking over the patients (although not
the $$$$)..........soon after I was asked to teach Materia Medica. Let me
add though that at that time I was already practicing for a significant
number of years.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
taking the case together; after having heard the patient, we were both
asking questions, doing the physical (we are both MDs), discussing the
rubrics and the remedies and the mode of prescription, all this with the
agreement and in the presence of the patient.
I actually felt I had to stop after a few months for ethical reasons, as,
due to my invasive personality, I was taking over the patients (although not
the $$$$)..........soon after I was asked to teach Materia Medica. Let me
add though that at that time I was already practicing for a significant
number of years.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
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Re: IHMSC- The minimum standard in homeopathic training
Dear Vera
I quiet agree. Any way because of multiplicity of factors in a successful treatment we never can consider the practising skill as a rigid scientific subject like Mathematics. But we have to go toward it especially for education of beginners. As you mentioned protocols about Posology (The splendid job of Dr Little) or using the repertory (Many Pioneers like Dr Master) have facilitated a lot teaching of "selecting similimum and its Dose & Potency" to students. But we still should provide the similar protocols for case management also. This part still be treated mostly as an Art except by some distinguished practitioners like Dr Luc (Advance Case Management) and ...
If we could gather all these efforts and make a unique standard method for teaching to beginners, we can claim that Homeopathic education has been scientifized. However surely an experienced Homeopath still will be practising it as an Art and it is the exceptional feature of Homeopathy. (Art and Science side by side)
Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
When I refer to apprenticeship I do mean the kind of close mentoring relationship that Shannon describes in a separate post, where the situation involves much more than just observing. However, I believe that homeopathy needs to tread a fine line between the Science and the Art. There are objective, unchanging principles that are the underpinnings of homeopathic theory and practice, such as "two similar diseases cannot exist within the organism, the stronger will overcome the weaker". That's scientific, observation, unchanging. On the other hand, in terms of case management etc., it seems problematic to be too rigid on the "scientific" definitions, as this can cause inadequate individualisation of the case. Even though there are several posology protocols, treatment protocols etc., the strong necessity to individualise means that protocols have to be overturned when the case requires it, this being part of the art.
Regards,
Vera
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Vera
You are right and clinical training is very important in procedure of education of a Homeopath. But I think as long as Homeopathy is being considered and practiced as an "Art" (Prescribing on the basis of internal feelings and experience" observing the practising of an expert Homeopath will not be very useful for a begginer. Just like this fact that you can never be "Picaso" by looking at his painting or drawing.
today the most important need of homeopathic education is providing standard and unchangable guidelines (Scientific) for choosing similimum and case management and teach them to any beginners (These are even easier to be understood when the students are observing the practising of their teachers). The art of prescription and individual methods will be authomaticly developing during years of practising and visiting patient after patient.
I personally believe Dr Hahnemann's method was closest to this goal and should be revived again as base stone of education of Homeopathy.
Regards
F. Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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I quiet agree. Any way because of multiplicity of factors in a successful treatment we never can consider the practising skill as a rigid scientific subject like Mathematics. But we have to go toward it especially for education of beginners. As you mentioned protocols about Posology (The splendid job of Dr Little) or using the repertory (Many Pioneers like Dr Master) have facilitated a lot teaching of "selecting similimum and its Dose & Potency" to students. But we still should provide the similar protocols for case management also. This part still be treated mostly as an Art except by some distinguished practitioners like Dr Luc (Advance Case Management) and ...
If we could gather all these efforts and make a unique standard method for teaching to beginners, we can claim that Homeopathic education has been scientifized. However surely an experienced Homeopath still will be practising it as an Art and it is the exceptional feature of Homeopathy. (Art and Science side by side)
Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
When I refer to apprenticeship I do mean the kind of close mentoring relationship that Shannon describes in a separate post, where the situation involves much more than just observing. However, I believe that homeopathy needs to tread a fine line between the Science and the Art. There are objective, unchanging principles that are the underpinnings of homeopathic theory and practice, such as "two similar diseases cannot exist within the organism, the stronger will overcome the weaker". That's scientific, observation, unchanging. On the other hand, in terms of case management etc., it seems problematic to be too rigid on the "scientific" definitions, as this can cause inadequate individualisation of the case. Even though there are several posology protocols, treatment protocols etc., the strong necessity to individualise means that protocols have to be overturned when the case requires it, this being part of the art.
Regards,
Vera
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Vera
You are right and clinical training is very important in procedure of education of a Homeopath. But I think as long as Homeopathy is being considered and practiced as an "Art" (Prescribing on the basis of internal feelings and experience" observing the practising of an expert Homeopath will not be very useful for a begginer. Just like this fact that you can never be "Picaso" by looking at his painting or drawing.
today the most important need of homeopathic education is providing standard and unchangable guidelines (Scientific) for choosing similimum and case management and teach them to any beginners (These are even easier to be understood when the students are observing the practising of their teachers). The art of prescription and individual methods will be authomaticly developing during years of practising and visiting patient after patient.
I personally believe Dr Hahnemann's method was closest to this goal and should be revived again as base stone of education of Homeopathy.
Regards
F. Shaddel
VR VR wrote:
It seems more and more that patients are coming with symptoms that are side effects of medications (chronic and acute), vaccinations, etc. I find that as homeopaths we need to know a lot more about conventional medications and their side effects in order to treat our patients. This is especially true since often patients are taking conventional meds alongside homeopathic remedies.
With regard to methods of training, I'm not sure how practical it is but I feel that more of an effort should be made to set up "apprentice"-like situations. Students learn a lot of theory in the classroom, but as everyone is aware, the written materia medica has no significance until the student or homeopath sees a patient requiring and responding well to the remedy. I feel the best way for students to learn is to watch experienced homeopaths in action on a frequent and regular basis, even from the first year of studies, and this is missing in most courses I know of. One or two years supervised clinical work and the occasional live case viewed in class seems insufficient. In addition, the risk of learning too much theory before practice leads to a tendency to "bend" the facts of the case to fit the theories studied...
Regards,
Vera Resnick
"F. Shaddel" wrote:
Dear Feras
It was nice to hear from the country that I believe has a lot of potentials in Homeopathy. I am almost agree with you that someday such minimum standards should be in force for Homeopathy as Homeopathy really deserves 4-5 years and even more education. But as an educational planning maker, we have to make a balance between reality, possibilities and our ideals. For example ( it is real) one person in Ministry of Health of one country wanted to arrange the highest standards for Homeopathy practitioners. So considered below criteria in accepting practitioners:
1. Being Holder of Homeopathy or Medical Degree only from University
2. Knowing everything about conventional medicine as a medical doctor
3. Knowing everything about classical Homeopathy
4. Having several years experience
But what was the reality
1. Almost all of the experienced Homeopaths are holder of certificates from schools or colleges. Except graduates of India and Pakistan and few countries in Asia (BHMS or Master Degree). On the other hands the Ministry Authorities who are not Homeopath, do not give the name of Dr to Holders of Bachelor and they should work as Technician in beauty saloons (in near future). So the result was that no valuable or experienced Homeopath is interested to refer to them and loss everything to achieve the name of technician.
2. First part of their exam and interview are being conducted by Medical doctors asking questions like Board exam of Specialists. So many real Homeopaths fail in this part and almost all of the Psudo Homeopaths (Medical doctors with few months education) pass this part
3. It is good that practitioner knows everything about classical Homeopathy but who is going to prove it. The first requierement is having perfect examination committee. But what was the reality? They had only few young and non experiensed BHMS whos knowledge about classical Homeopathy was less than almost half of the participants. So the result was asking only funny questions about small remedies from books to make the exam hard. So many times it happened that the examiners have not heard anything about for example Smelling Method in Homeopathy (They faild one applicant for this reason), Posology or even the name of some remedies and so on.
And finally what is the result in that country, Everyday, the number of real practitioners and applicants is decreasing and the market is full of young practitioner who are passionate to make money fast or the people who has bypassed the above criteria by lobbying of some VIPs. So practising is full of mismanagaments, prescribing complex remedies, side effects of remedies and visiting patients in few minutes and finally lossing the reputation of Homeopathy as a real and serious method of treatment.
Sorry for long letter but it is rare to find the opportunity to discuss about such subjects in Homeopathy circle. Hopefully this real example could show the danger of having non realistic ideals. You see how much the result is different from first ideal.
On the basis of my experience in last decade, I strongly believe we need to categourize the level of practicing (General Homeopathy and Advance Case Management) to be able to train and increase the number of Homeopaths who can deal correctly with the daily simple problems (Like what China did about conventional medicine). It should be 1 year full time education for healthcare practitioners (250-500 hours) and 2 years for non healthcare groups (500-750 hours). Then for dealing with complex cases (Chronic diseases, Using several medicines, Hypersensitivity,...-You can find the complete classification of this group in my book; treatment of complex cases") they all need 1-2 years postgraduate education about miasms and.....
About the content, however the need to basic medical sciences is undounbtful but my experience shows the Homeopathy Practiotioners (Non Medical group) are suffering from lack of knowledge in below topics (It is the most important reason of frequent objections of conventional medicine to Homeopathy)
1. Medical Diferential Diagnosis of each syndrom
2. Medical Pharmacology and its common side effects
3. Paraclinical diagnosis (Lab tests and Radiology)
Which the result is poor treatment and referring policy to other healthcare groups and a lot of legal and ethical problems for Homeopathic practitioners.
I would be grateful if anybody share his or her experience in this regard.
Kind Regards
F. Shaddel
Feras Hakkak wrote:
Dear Dr Shaddel,
I think the homoeopathic training course must be at least 4-5 years, "at least". During the course, the students must learn anatomy, physiology, pathology, embryology and other basic medical sciences as well as possible. It is very important for a medical practitioner of ay kind to know these things well. Also they have to study psychology and related subjects. Besides these, they have to know the roots of their sciece. So they must also study the history of medicine and history of homeopathy. The students should learn homeopathy from the base and then they whould gradually bcome familiar with the new methods. So they should strat with Hahnemann, and then maybe Boenninghausen, Hering, Kent, ..... and then come to the new masters like Vithoulkas, Sankaran, Mangialavori, etc. Also they must learn about the provings and to understand their materia medica, conduct at least one proving of a well-known remedy on themselves. Clinical practice is the other important issue which
must be emphasized during the training period. This practice must be supported by a lot of studying, awriting reports, etc. The students must learn homeopathic philosophy quite well, otherwise they will be lost in the jungle and will not know what to do, what to be cure, when to intervene, how to intervene, etc. Deep uderstanding of the meaning of cure and sicness, healing and suppression is extremely important and will be the compass of the pactitioners.
Having these points in mind, I think there is no place for 6-month homeopathic training courses for non-homeopaths. Such concise courses will not make homeopaths. Instead, with such superficial trainings we make pseudo-homeopaths who follow non-homeopathic methods and use potentized remedies to suppress the diseases of their patients.
Best regards,
Feras
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