Hi Simon,
how about the "herbal teas" recommended by so many naturopaths
(homeopaths?) for drinking instead of coffee or "normal" tea?
Regards
Luise
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Irene de Villiers
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hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Hepatitis nosode is available from Simillimum in New Zealand.
....Irene
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Hepatitis nosode is available from Simillimum in New Zealand.
....Irene
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Simon King LCPH MARH
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YUCH- ptui!
lol
kind regards
Simon King
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lol
kind regards
Simon King
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Theresa Partington
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I'll chip in here as I did a lot of research into this earlier in the year - those of you, who contributed will have received the results by now..
Many people in the UK were unaware that most MTs as supplied by UK pharmacies have trebled in strength in the last few years due to changes of the pharmacopeia used. The dosages being taught and used (5 drops tds generally) seem to have remained the same. The tinctures are now as strong or, often, stronger than herbalist prepared tinctures (unless you count fluid extracts, which are stronger still)
Some of the tinctures recommended by our mat meds are not readily available from herbal pharmacies because of potential toxicity. Bryonia available in 1 in 3 strength from homeopathic pharmacies is only available at 1 in 10 from herbalists. 0.5 mls of convallaria as a total for the day is recommended in modern herbal books whilst you can see a recommendation for 1ml as the daily dosage in a homeopathy book (*Boericke, I think - not sure).
In fact people who rely on Boericke for dosages are on very dodgy ground - he got his info from all over the place and I don't know that we can be sure about the strength of the tinctures people were using. His dosage instructions for Spartium is very complicated but higher than the 0.5 mls (7.5 drops) recommended by herbalists. Herbalists just don't use it at all these days as far as I could make out, no doubt on account of the toxicity. Iris is recommended at much higher dosage in homeopathy than herbalism and is quite toxic.
Having said that the vast majority of tinctures are used by homeopaths at a fraction of the strength that a herbalist would use them and it is hard to see how they could have adverse results at those material strengths. If you go into herbal dosages then you do need to be aware of contraindications and interactions - the majority of tinctures used by homeopaths do have them, if used in herbal dosages at least. Another thing that came up is that many homeopaths are using older herbals to check this kind of thing and herbal dosages in general whilst recommended herbal dosages are now a lot less than they used to be in more heroic days.
bw
Theresa
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Many people in the UK were unaware that most MTs as supplied by UK pharmacies have trebled in strength in the last few years due to changes of the pharmacopeia used. The dosages being taught and used (5 drops tds generally) seem to have remained the same. The tinctures are now as strong or, often, stronger than herbalist prepared tinctures (unless you count fluid extracts, which are stronger still)
Some of the tinctures recommended by our mat meds are not readily available from herbal pharmacies because of potential toxicity. Bryonia available in 1 in 3 strength from homeopathic pharmacies is only available at 1 in 10 from herbalists. 0.5 mls of convallaria as a total for the day is recommended in modern herbal books whilst you can see a recommendation for 1ml as the daily dosage in a homeopathy book (*Boericke, I think - not sure).
In fact people who rely on Boericke for dosages are on very dodgy ground - he got his info from all over the place and I don't know that we can be sure about the strength of the tinctures people were using. His dosage instructions for Spartium is very complicated but higher than the 0.5 mls (7.5 drops) recommended by herbalists. Herbalists just don't use it at all these days as far as I could make out, no doubt on account of the toxicity. Iris is recommended at much higher dosage in homeopathy than herbalism and is quite toxic.
Having said that the vast majority of tinctures are used by homeopaths at a fraction of the strength that a herbalist would use them and it is hard to see how they could have adverse results at those material strengths. If you go into herbal dosages then you do need to be aware of contraindications and interactions - the majority of tinctures used by homeopaths do have them, if used in herbal dosages at least. Another thing that came up is that many homeopaths are using older herbals to check this kind of thing and herbal dosages in general whilst recommended herbal dosages are now a lot less than they used to be in more heroic days.
bw
Theresa
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Chris_Gillen
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Hi Theresa,
What a fascinating post considering many of our remedies were first proven
in crude doses or tinctures! Has this information been fully published, or
will be?
Just as a side note, for anyone planning a visit to Germany, make sure you
visit the (allopathic) Apothecary Museum located in the grounds of the old
Schloss in Heidelberg. It's quite amazing to recognize so many of the dried
plant, mineral and animal specimens that were in allopathic/herbal use two
centuries ago, and were put to Homoeopathic advantage in our own Materia
Medica.
Chris.
What a fascinating post considering many of our remedies were first proven
in crude doses or tinctures! Has this information been fully published, or
will be?
Just as a side note, for anyone planning a visit to Germany, make sure you
visit the (allopathic) Apothecary Museum located in the grounds of the old
Schloss in Heidelberg. It's quite amazing to recognize so many of the dried
plant, mineral and animal specimens that were in allopathic/herbal use two
centuries ago, and were put to Homoeopathic advantage in our own Materia
Medica.
Chris.
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muthu kumar
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Thanks for the information.
Then probably this could be a very good nosode to try out...
Hepatitis B and C both can cause chronic hepatitis and cirrhosis...
C looks more pernicious and probably worth a try esp. if there has
been no severe acute hepatitis phase in patient's history...
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Homeopath.)
Then probably this could be a very good nosode to try out...
Hepatitis B and C both can cause chronic hepatitis and cirrhosis...
C looks more pernicious and probably worth a try esp. if there has
been no severe acute hepatitis phase in patient's history...
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Kathleen Ramsey
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I do not agree, where is your information coming from? Kathy
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Theresa Partington
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:13 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:Fw: [Minutus] Re: to :doctor leela
I'll chip in here as I did a lot of research into this earlier in the year -
those of you, who contributed will have received the results by now..
Many people in the UK were unaware that most MTs as supplied by UK
pharmacies have trebled in strength in the last few years due to changes of
the pharmacopeia used. The dosages being taught and used (5 drops tds
generally) seem to have remained the same. The tinctures are now as strong
or, often, stronger than herbalist prepared tinctures (unless you count
fluid extracts, which are stronger still)
Some of the tinctures recommended by our mat meds are not readily available
from herbal pharmacies because of potential toxicity. Bryonia available in 1
in 3 strength from homeopathic pharmacies is only available at 1 in 10 from
herbalists. 0.5 mls of convallaria as a total for the day is recommended in
modern herbal books whilst you can see a recommendation for 1ml as the daily
dosage in a homeopathy book (*Boericke, I think - not sure).
In fact people who rely on Boericke for dosages are on very dodgy ground -
he got his info from all over the place and I don't know that we can be sure
about the strength of the tinctures people were using. His dosage
instructions for Spartium is very complicated but higher than the 0.5 mls
(7.5 drops) recommended by herbalists. Herbalists just don't use it at all
these days as far as I could make out, no doubt on account of the toxicity.
Iris is recommended at much higher dosage in homeopathy than herbalism and
is quite toxic.
Having said that the vast majority of tinctures are used by homeopaths at a
fraction of the strength that a herbalist would use them and it is hard to
see how they could have adverse results at those material strengths. If you
go into herbal dosages then you do need to be aware of contraindications and
interactions - the majority of tinctures used by homeopaths do have them, if
used in herbal dosages at least. Another thing that came up is that many
homeopaths are using older herbals to check this kind of thing and herbal
dosages in general whilst recommended herbal dosages are now a lot less than
they used to be in more heroic days.
bw
Theresa
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Theresa Partington
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:13 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:Fw: [Minutus] Re: to :doctor leela
I'll chip in here as I did a lot of research into this earlier in the year -
those of you, who contributed will have received the results by now..
Many people in the UK were unaware that most MTs as supplied by UK
pharmacies have trebled in strength in the last few years due to changes of
the pharmacopeia used. The dosages being taught and used (5 drops tds
generally) seem to have remained the same. The tinctures are now as strong
or, often, stronger than herbalist prepared tinctures (unless you count
fluid extracts, which are stronger still)
Some of the tinctures recommended by our mat meds are not readily available
from herbal pharmacies because of potential toxicity. Bryonia available in 1
in 3 strength from homeopathic pharmacies is only available at 1 in 10 from
herbalists. 0.5 mls of convallaria as a total for the day is recommended in
modern herbal books whilst you can see a recommendation for 1ml as the daily
dosage in a homeopathy book (*Boericke, I think - not sure).
In fact people who rely on Boericke for dosages are on very dodgy ground -
he got his info from all over the place and I don't know that we can be sure
about the strength of the tinctures people were using. His dosage
instructions for Spartium is very complicated but higher than the 0.5 mls
(7.5 drops) recommended by herbalists. Herbalists just don't use it at all
these days as far as I could make out, no doubt on account of the toxicity.
Iris is recommended at much higher dosage in homeopathy than herbalism and
is quite toxic.
Having said that the vast majority of tinctures are used by homeopaths at a
fraction of the strength that a herbalist would use them and it is hard to
see how they could have adverse results at those material strengths. If you
go into herbal dosages then you do need to be aware of contraindications and
interactions - the majority of tinctures used by homeopaths do have them, if
used in herbal dosages at least. Another thing that came up is that many
homeopaths are using older herbals to check this kind of thing and herbal
dosages in general whilst recommended herbal dosages are now a lot less than
they used to be in more heroic days.
bw
Theresa
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Theresa Partington
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hi Chris,
I did try to find out where Burnett, for example, might have sourced his tinctures or what strengths were commonly used in those days - but I didn't get very far. I did note, though, that the old homeopaths were happy to give tinctures until there were some quite scary aggravations and then reduce doses. It seems they poisoned people, stopped poisoning them and the people bounced back! Ah, those were the days!
The article, which doesn't really go into all that was published in the Summer edition of Homeopathy in Practice (www.a-r-h.org)
bw
Theresa
Chris wrote:
What a fascinating post considering many of our remedies were first proven
in crude doses or tinctures! Has this information been fully published, or
will be?
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I did try to find out where Burnett, for example, might have sourced his tinctures or what strengths were commonly used in those days - but I didn't get very far. I did note, though, that the old homeopaths were happy to give tinctures until there were some quite scary aggravations and then reduce doses. It seems they poisoned people, stopped poisoning them and the people bounced back! Ah, those were the days!
The article, which doesn't really go into all that was published in the Summer edition of Homeopathy in Practice (www.a-r-h.org)
bw
Theresa
Chris wrote:
What a fascinating post considering many of our remedies were first proven
in crude doses or tinctures! Has this information been fully published, or
will be?
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agreed - in the same way that lately I've come across MDs who have no homeopathic training telling patients to take homeopathic remedies, with unpleasant results for the patients... we shld stick to the areas we know and refer to naturopaths etc. as appropriate.
Vera
Simon King wrote:
Sorry I still must disagree, MTs or herbal tinctures are NOT
universally safe.
There are herbs which if given in tincture form can cause problems
Homeopaths who are not trained in medical herbalism should NOT
pretend they are - for the patient's sake.
kind regards
Simon King
44 (0)1603 466092
(include the zero in brackets only if calling from the UK)
http://www.Homeopathy-Help.net
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Vera
Simon King wrote:
Sorry I still must disagree, MTs or herbal tinctures are NOT
universally safe.
There are herbs which if given in tincture form can cause problems
Homeopaths who are not trained in medical herbalism should NOT
pretend they are - for the patient's sake.
kind regards
Simon King
44 (0)1603 466092
(include the zero in brackets only if calling from the UK)
http://www.Homeopathy-Help.net
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Hi Kathy,
I think you need to tell me which bit you don't agree with! As for sources, they were as many and various as my findings. I checked several at each stage and consulted with people with specialist knowledge as far as I could. Unless you can be *extremely* precise in your query you will just have to get hold of the article via the publishers.
BW
Theresa
Kathy wrote:
I do not agree, where is your information coming from? Kathy
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Subject: Re:Fw: [Minutus] Re: to :doctor leela
I'll chip in here as I did a lot of research into this earlier in the year -
those of you, who contributed will have received the results by now..
Many people in the UK were unaware that most MTs as supplied by UK
pharmacies have trebled in strength in the last few years due to changes of
the pharmacopeia used. The dosages being taught and used (5 drops tds
generally) seem to have remained the same. The tinctures are now as strong
or, often, stronger than herbalist prepared tinctures (unless you count
fluid extracts, which are stronger still)
Some of the tinctures recommended by our mat meds are not readily available
from herbal pharmacies because of potential toxicity. Bryonia available in 1
in 3 strength from homeopathic pharmacies is only available at 1 in 10 from
herbalists. 0.5 mls of convallaria as a total for the day is recommended in
modern herbal books whilst you can see a recommendation for 1ml as the daily
dosage in a homeopathy book (*Boericke, I think - not sure).
In fact people who rely on Boericke for dosages are on very dodgy ground -
he got his info from all over the place and I don't know that we can be sure
about the strength of the tinctures people were using. His dosage
instructions for Spartium is very complicated but higher than the 0.5 mls
(7.5 drops) recommended by herbalists. Herbalists just don't use it at all
these days as far as I could make out, no doubt on account of the toxicity.
Iris is recommended at much higher dosage in homeopathy than herbalism and
is quite toxic.
Having said that the vast majority of tinctures are used by homeopaths at a
fraction of the strength that a herbalist would use them and it is hard to
see how they could have adverse results at those material strengths. If you
go into herbal dosages then you do need to be aware of contraindications and
interactions - the majority of tinctures used by homeopaths do have them, if
used in herbal dosages at least. Another thing that came up is that many
homeopaths are using older herbals to check this kind of thing and herbal
dosages in general whilst recommended herbal dosages are now a lot less than
they used to be in more heroic days.
bw
Theresa
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I think you need to tell me which bit you don't agree with! As for sources, they were as many and various as my findings. I checked several at each stage and consulted with people with specialist knowledge as far as I could. Unless you can be *extremely* precise in your query you will just have to get hold of the article via the publishers.
BW
Theresa
Kathy wrote:
I do not agree, where is your information coming from? Kathy
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Subject: Re:Fw: [Minutus] Re: to :doctor leela
I'll chip in here as I did a lot of research into this earlier in the year -
those of you, who contributed will have received the results by now..
Many people in the UK were unaware that most MTs as supplied by UK
pharmacies have trebled in strength in the last few years due to changes of
the pharmacopeia used. The dosages being taught and used (5 drops tds
generally) seem to have remained the same. The tinctures are now as strong
or, often, stronger than herbalist prepared tinctures (unless you count
fluid extracts, which are stronger still)
Some of the tinctures recommended by our mat meds are not readily available
from herbal pharmacies because of potential toxicity. Bryonia available in 1
in 3 strength from homeopathic pharmacies is only available at 1 in 10 from
herbalists. 0.5 mls of convallaria as a total for the day is recommended in
modern herbal books whilst you can see a recommendation for 1ml as the daily
dosage in a homeopathy book (*Boericke, I think - not sure).
In fact people who rely on Boericke for dosages are on very dodgy ground -
he got his info from all over the place and I don't know that we can be sure
about the strength of the tinctures people were using. His dosage
instructions for Spartium is very complicated but higher than the 0.5 mls
(7.5 drops) recommended by herbalists. Herbalists just don't use it at all
these days as far as I could make out, no doubt on account of the toxicity.
Iris is recommended at much higher dosage in homeopathy than herbalism and
is quite toxic.
Having said that the vast majority of tinctures are used by homeopaths at a
fraction of the strength that a herbalist would use them and it is hard to
see how they could have adverse results at those material strengths. If you
go into herbal dosages then you do need to be aware of contraindications and
interactions - the majority of tinctures used by homeopaths do have them, if
used in herbal dosages at least. Another thing that came up is that many
homeopaths are using older herbals to check this kind of thing and herbal
dosages in general whilst recommended herbal dosages are now a lot less than
they used to be in more heroic days.
bw
Theresa
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