A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory

[muthu kumar]

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Straight question Sheri-

When we shake hands with people when we are introduced we do not wash
hands after each introduction-

If you do physical exam of 5 known, diagnosed cholera patients will
you wash hands after each one before handling the next patient and if
you have to deal with a diabetic or asthmatic after that?

If so why, if not why?

[Tanya Marquette]

i think the onus is on allopathy to lighten up and look at its arrogance.
i would be a lot less cynical if there was a public attitude of real
humility in allopathic people. their intransigence on their godlike
worthiness leaves me very cold indeed! it seems that in india there
is at least some collaboration between homeopaths and allopaths in
some of the hospitals.

and i certainly agree that allopaths dont have a monopoly on arrogance.
but since homeopathy is the venue that i trust, support, study and practice
this is the arena in which i will do my struggles for improvement.

as for the the western scientific model? it is only as good as those people
funding and working the system. i think there is much self limitation
imposed
by the methodology. i for one am comfortable with clinical evidence to
support my beliefs. if others want to play in the lab with frequencies of
different potencies, etc, all well and good. and i have had the best
diagnoses for myself and my cat come from communicators and energy
diviners as you might call them. i would ask that you open yourself up
to the validity of this kind of work as opposed to pushing the allopathic
model for science as the only one with validity

tanya
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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Andy,

I do like that model!

Only one small remark, actually OT to the subject:
Hence Hahnemann referred to homeopathic medicine as ^Sthe healing

At the time of Hahnemann "Heil+kunst+" meant "Medical *Therapy*" as
contrasted to "Heil*kunde*" = "Medical *Theory*".

Regards

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Hahnemannian

Your comments are very apt.

In fact personal hygiene (or lack of it) is one of the reasons why there is
a problem with MRSA in hospitals - often brought in by patients and
visitors.

Sadly in UK very few people wash their hands often enough.

Next time you are in the Motorway service station visit the toilets and
observe how many people wash their hands (both male and female) afterwards.

The sad thing is that a few minutes later you would observe them eating -
often using their hands.

This is why Hn has instructions of personal hygiene and in fact religions
such as Islam pay particularly high attention to it.

"U.S. Navy recruits who were ordered to wash their hands at least five times
a day saw a decrease in respiratory illnesses of 45% from the year before,
according to a study conducted by the Naval Health Research Center (NHRC)."
(From http://www.themodernreligion.com/health/hands.html)

[It is of particular note that in Islam there are five set prayers and prior
to each one is to was face, hands and arms up to the elbow and feet.]
So the whole thing comes to a factor of susceptibility and exposure. By
minimising exposure, one reduces one's chances of germ induced diseases both
acute and chronic.

A lot of people of the Mengiococcal micro organisms at the back of their
throats. However, they do not suffer from meningitis. But they can pass it
on to people who are susceptible.

Most of the bacteria we have in our body serve a useful role in their usual
location. However when they are taken to another part of the body, they can
cause havoc.
Rgds
Soroush

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Ben,
Interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you.

It seems he did not modify the Organon or the CD in the subsequent
editions, or does anyone know differently?

Regards

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
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[muthu kumar]

> i think the onus is on allopathy to lighten up and look at its
arrogance.
real

Why should they even bother? I bet if Homeopaths were to become the
top dogs their attitude will be the same as that of the current
allopaths. It has nothing to do with allopathy or homeopathy. It is
in human/animal nature and group mentality. Top dogs WILL LORD it
over others.
their intransigence on their godlike
there

Yes - and you would see the least amount of blaming allopaths in
india and that is the reason. Most of the homeopathic medical
colleges have allopaths teaching modern biomedical sciences,
homeopathic students go to allopathic colleges for clinical rotation
or at least allopaths teach them clinical subjects. Still there are
allopathic doctors even there looking down upon homeopathic doctors
but as time goes it will improve. Originally the homeopathic
hospitals had less infrastructure and it was thought that their
training would not be comparable to allopathic doctors. But times
are changing.

If you look into any homeopathic publication from India, none of
them have so much carping criticism of allopathy. Mostly what we
learn in India is tolerance - we have so many official languages, so
many cultures, so many people and so much difference all over-

Also most of the homeopaths - lay or professional - follow the
modern medical model - and then add on top whatever their approach
to THERAPEUTICS is - We need allopathic and also
homeopathic "Herings Law" or whatever to track improvement...

Everything has its season and place....
arrogance.
What do you want - to be arrogant in turn?
We do not have to be arrogant - just efficient-

practice

yes - but without blaming allopathy

those people
limitation
evidence to

The limitations are the checks and balances- otherwise we will have
energy diviners giving vaccinations - ( can you even imagine that?)
How about using divination to decide if a person needs surgery or
not?

Even allopathy accepts clinical evidence... it is how we collect
material for that evidence, on what basis the drug is given etc.
that matters- even if it is swinging pendulum there should be some
repeatability- and there should be some minimum common sense in what
we are doing...a person might be capable of piling up 200
homeopathic medicine bottles, plunging the hand in and coming out
with the simillimum - may be it works for that person too- but is
that the method we can follow? How do you teach to others... are you
not relying on something that may be only present like 5 % of the
population... not all of us are divine diviners...

best

I do not know who energy diviners are - may be dowsers? See this is
exactly the problem with these approaches... when it is dowsing -
how do we measure anything? It is not just allopathy Tanya- anything
about modern science is about measuring- if we do not measure we
cannot improve- have you not heard the term "measure of the man".
And are we going to say that this is the "classical" homeopathic
way? I have repeatedly said in this forum that what we need is
standardization of approaches so that anyone who goes to a homeopath
knows what he/she is getting into...
i would ask that you open yourself up
allopathic

As long as you are treating yourself and your cat that is ok...
There are many approaches to anything and I am aware of it... I am
not saying that these cannot work- but that is not the way you
promulgate and propagate something-

also I care too much about my patients to subject them to all whims
and fancies of any energy diviner- even if it is me-

Allopathy has an established supremacy- the way to win mindshare in
the public is to beat them in their own game- do a thorough
diagnosis, approach patients with modern science and give
homeopathic medicines and conclusively prove based on tests or
whatever that the disease is gone-

I am not saying that there should not be variation in practice
methodology- but neither should it be a free-for-all... we should
still have boundaries and constraints... otherwise you will have
people with head injuries get beat up on the head by homeopaths in
the name of like cures like- ( and you may effect a "permanent cure"
in that way )
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[rpautrey2]

Cholera - Boenninghausen's Lesser Writings: Reprint of Hahnemann's
Cholera letters/notes; Contagion/animalicula/virus/miasm has been
understood for thousands of years. Germ warfare goes back thousands
of years. Galileo could see the hair on a flies leg with a telescope
in the early 1600's. Leeuwenhoek described animaliculi and worms
swimming in pond water with his microscope. Dr. Katerfelto toured
Europe in the latter half of the 18th century demonstrating his solar
microscope and the causes of disease: animaliculi. How could
Hahnemann not be familiar with the concept that microorganisms cause
disease? Terrain - Vital Force? Paul Autrey
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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi H.02,
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Does, as a consequence, India have better homeopaths than the rest of
the world?

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free from doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[medmidas]

Hahnemann clearly said pathogens are consequence of disease (Low vital energy) & not the cause.

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[muthu kumar]

Not necessarily-

Also how would we define a good homeopath?

Good results? more popular ( like the top 10 homeopaths election
coducted by one group???)
More seminars? More online students? More book sales? More
suppression? More cures? More single medicine prescriptions? More
miasma treatment? More energy diviners?

What we are talking about is having a better relationship between
allopaths and homeopaths - and so we can spend more time thinking
about treating people than spend time on deriding allopathy and
their methods.
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