A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Shannon

Your mention of Terrain has reminded me of an example which some may find
useful.

We all know that rain / water makes one wet.

However, we may protect ourselves to various degrees from getting wet from
rain.
1- Umbrella - this protects the head and parts of body - not perfect unless
there is no wind.
2- Raincoat - Head and legs unprotected.
3- Sowester / Hat will protect the head - but the face is exposed and rest
of body is unprotected unless covered with other garments.
4- Fisherman's suit will protect the body but leave the head and feet
exposed.
5- Full fisherman's suit + Sowester + boots will give full head and body
protection. (for the purposes of argument let us ignore the exposed face)

Let us then use 5 as the example of the body in health.

In use the waterproof garment may be torn or come apart at the seams
(miasmatic fault?) and thus let in water and the wearer becomes wet if
exposed to water.

So going back to the terrain, the torn or open seams of the waterproof
garment is the susceptibility of the person. However, you still need the
rain or water to make the wearer wet. No rain, no wetness.

By analogy, we need the susceptible body + some micro organism for a
particular disease to take hold.

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By the way Aph 11 is of interest:
When a person falls ill, it is only this spiritual, self acting (automatic)
vital force, everywhere present in his organism, that is primarily deranged
by the dynamic 6 influence upon it of a morbific agent inimical to life; it
is only the vital force, deranged to such an abnormal state, that can
furnish the organism with its disagreeable sensations, and incline it to the
irregular processes which we call disease; for, as a power invisible in
itself, and only cognizable by its effects on the organism, its morbid
derangement only makes itself known by the manifestation of disease in the
sensations and functions of those parts of the organism exposed to the
senses of the observer and physician, that is, by morbid symptoms, and in no
other way can it make itself known.

6 Materia peccans!

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I feel this hold is good many cases and supports the Germ Theory in parts -
but not when the symptoms are for example a headache after a shock or bad
news !

Rgds
Soroush

[Kerry]

Sheri mentioned the Soil and Health Library:
http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrar ... lcome.html It is
worth not just reading the books on health, but also the books on
farming for a perspective on how the terrain is the key factor not the
virus. Albert Howard's book Farming and Gardening for Health or Disease
has a great example of how the state of the host is vitally important
and how so called virulent viruses do not affect the individual
automatically. For those who don't want to read the whole book, or
don't have the time to, this page leads to an extract that details his
experiments with regards to the supposedly highly contagious Foot and
Mouth disease, a disease that saw the UK government barbarically
slaughter millions of animals in an attempt to stop its spread, such a
shame that they didn't try feeding the animals well instead:
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/ne ... /ALL/1076/

Kerry
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[Sheri Nakken]

>By the way Aph 11 is of interest:

Where does he mention the word germ or bacteria
he says morbific agent - that is not definitive for bacteria or virus
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[Shannon M]

Hi Soroush,
Makes sense to me!
Shannon
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[Shannon M]

?
The two "halves" I was speaking of are:
1) That pathogens can cause disease (that's the side the allopaths are
big on), and

2) As you have said, that the health of the body is (I would say
"usually"; you apparently would say "always") of greater importance to
wellbeing etc. than is the presence or absence of pathogens

It's that qualifying term "usually" that seems to separate "my" view
from "yours".
Regards,
Shannon

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[Sheri Nakken]

At 06:59 PM 10/25/2006 +0100, you wrote:

Exactly Kerry
I lived thru that in the UK and was a major activist for the animals and
farms and countryside at the time.
Hardly any animals actually even tested postive for the so-called virus
which is another whole issue

Excellent recommendations.

I also will say that because our soil is so depleted none of us are getting
the minerals we need in our foods, including organic. Very few be sure the
soil is what it needs to be to provide these minerals. That's why I'm also
learning the testing/consulting for RBTI which is about replacing those
minerals deficient in food. Some RBTI practitioners actually work with
farmers to test and treat the soil - in fact that's how RBTI got started.
I know this isn't a list for RBTI, but I see this as such a contributing
and maintaining factor in illness and see it as a way to know what we are
deficient in, to correct it and help the terrain and VF.

Thanks for sharing that Kerry
Sheri>
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[muthu kumar]

All things are results of interactions...disease is an interaction
between different forces/agents etc. In all diseases there is this
"one" side of the physical-mental-spiritual entity interacting with
various things. This is a constant process going on all the time- it
is only when it causes distress we take notice of this... and call it
disease...In infections the infective agents contribute much more.

Not just homeopaths but also allopaths are aware that disease is
multifactorial. There is no single contributor or factor( even the
quality of the terrain alone cannot determine this). If that were the
case there would be no homeopathy...

Why: If provings are done on healthy provers ( which means the terrain
is strong) and when some potencies are given ( 30c, 200c whatever) how
are they able to produce symptoms. By definition if the terrain is
healthy, how can a few doses of potencies cause an artificial disease?

If we accept Hahnemann did his provings on healthy people there should
not have been symptoms....

Since an artificial disease can be produced on healthy bodies with the
minutest substances from outside - so can diseases be caused by the
minutest bacteria or virus or "morbific agent" ( probably Hahnemann
meant 'Jack the Ripper' and not bacteria)from outside and not just by
factors from inside...
What we call health is not a fixed state - in fact everything is
dynamic ( dynamic vital force) in a state of flux, we just slice a
cross section and define it as health or disease based on our and
patient's observations and past experience...

I still cannot understand why there should be so much opposition to
this idea...If by saying "only germs" allopaths go to one extreme - by
saying "only terrain" we go to the opposite extreme...Why should it be
an "either" "or"? Why cannot it be an AND as most sensible solutions
are....

Not only that -We have to put up with so much quackery and half-baked
science quotes as well...to support these extreme positions...
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[muthu kumar]

Whatever it is governments will always be governments and look for
scapegoats for any problem- and react with Knee Jerk for whatever issues-
If the scapegoats happen to be scapecattle so much the better- this
happens in all countries- they should be seen to be doing something
and bloodier the merrier and more the distraction the better it is -

We are still spectators watching gladiators fighting in Roman arenas -
allowing the blood and gore to side track us from solving actual
problems...and it works even now
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[Kerry]

Historically the destruction of animals with Foot and Mouth was done not
on any sound scientific basis or from knee jerk responses; it was done
to protect the pedigree cattle export industry long, long before the
latest outbreaks. The latest outbreak was merely dealt with in the same
barbaric manner without the government bothering to do any research or
to listen to those that had. As always, the profits are more important
than actually dealing with a situation in a realistic manner. They
continue to bury their heads in the sand.

Another author worth reading on the Soil and Health Library is F Newman
Turner. His book Herdsmanship covers more info on the 'terrain'.
Chapter 13 is worth reading. In that chapter he actually makes the
point regarding the Smallpox vaccine and he states that in the 16 years
ending December 1948 2 children (under 5) died of smallpox but 72 died
of vaccination (he gives his references). Chapter 14 is also worth
reading.

Kerry

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[Shannon M]

And of course there's the famous "trick" of organic farmers--instead of
pesticides, compost! Same general idea.
Shannon