Interesting not-so-acute case

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

FWIW I know someone (who practices alternative medicine) and is a
parent of a child whose fever was left to run and is now brain
damaged as a result of febrile convulsions

There was certainly no suppression in that case

kind regards

Simon King
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[Brian Garnant]

h2002,
My thought was that fever was part of the body's cure. The higher temperature kills off viruses, etc.
Brian Granant

hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Robin- You got it right 100%. As I mentioned in this forum before -
one of my friends - a homeopath with lots of experience and
qualification- said that in high fever he allows them to take a dose
or two of paracetamol to bring down the fever and then administers the
indicated remedy. He says that high fever itself is an obstacle to
cure and first take care of that symptomatically and when body is not
fighting the high fever give the remedy so that the next paroxysm does
not come....we all know how in high fever the vital force just
consumes medicines and we might have to repeat much more frequently
than otherwise

Our systems survive thru so many onslaughts- of course we do not want
to add more to it with heroic doses of harmful medicines -but there is
a season and reason for any thing...
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[Brian Garnant]

Was the child being treated by a competent homeopath?
There may be a difference.
Brian

Simon King wrote:
FWIW I know someone (who practices alternative medicine) and is a
parent of a child whose fever was left to run and is now brain
damaged as a result of febrile convulsions

There was certainly no suppression in that case

kind regards

Simon King
44 (0)1603 466092
(include the zero in brackets only if calling from the UK)
http://www.Homeopathy-Help.net
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[Sheri Nakken]

Febrile convulsions do NOT cause brain damage.

I'll send info
Sheri

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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

The point I was making is that high fever is not always safe to be
left to its own devices

This child received no treatment whatsoever
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

So much paradox in fever..........people go to bed, use hot drinks, cover up
in duvet, all of which raises the temperature, try to sweat it out.........
and at the same time take antipyretics.......totally weird, except for the
feeling of relief......
OTOH we see people using sauna, infra-red sauna, whirlpools.........and in
the olden days it was not unusual to try to increase temperature
artificially: the old auto-hemotherapy where blood is drawn and injected in
the muscle to create a sterile abscess with increase in temperature and
leukocytes was still in the French medical textbooks in the late 60's after
malaria-therapy was discarded (yes, you were given malaria to treat other
diseases, then control it with quinine).
So here is the case of how I treated my daughter a few years ago: at that
time I was still working for the local NHS and we had an epidemic of
Mycoplasma Pneumoniae, very nasty bug.....of course I brought it home. My
daughter showed symptoms of low fever and slight cough, very low key, Ferrum
Phos like.............but did not respond to it in any potency, neither did
she react to any other remedy or apparently to any other modality. After a
few weeks of lingering disease, I decided it was time for me to start using
my brain, or what was left of it.
The question was why a healthy little girl who caught a nasty bug cannot be
helped and cannot shake it? After some thinking, it turned out the question
was wrong. It became obvious that she was fighting Mycoplasma very well
(others were in hospital!) but that the whole immune system was involved in
the fight and could not either react to a remedy or even throw a higher
fever; massive invasion, massive mobilisation everything else is paralysed..
.....
So what should I do? I reasoned that I could not stimulate the system more
than it already was so I had to remove part of the load, i.e. Kill some of
the bugs.
I decide to use the "blitzgrieg" technique which is to give the daily dose
of required antibiotic in one single dose, only once..........
About 20 minutes after receiving that massive dose of Azythromicin, she fell
asleep and spiked a very high fever, with redness all over the body, typical
Belladonna...........which I did not give as I wanted to "cook" all the bugs

Needless to say, we spent the night watching her, but she was sound asleep,
irradiating heat. The next morning, she woke up exhausted but cured, no
fever, no cough, just dog tired.
Again and again we come back to the same conclusion as Luise mentioned: even
a fever has to be treated individually and understood, so that you can treat
it appropriately.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[muthu kumar]

I am not in support of or against his practice. In his observation (
and I know that he sees lots of patients in a day and where there is
a real high fever ( may be define it more that 104 F) is when he said
he would allow Tylenol or something to bring down the fever - because
he has found this effective.

If that is not the case in your practice - well that is alright with
me...different localities, different expectations of patients,
different kinds of practice...

As I said before I do not usually say no to whatever the patient does
- and that includes taking allopathic medicine ( my being an allopath
to start with might have something to do with it) and in chronic cases
anyway I cannot say "stop all your medicines immediately"- their
system is already accustomed to allopathic drugs and we can only
withdraw these slowly - and even there I allow the patients be part of
this process - as and when they feel ok they experiment stopping the
drug...
In acutes yes the symptoms do get muddled by allopathic drugs ( since
the acutes are treated using the present symptoms whereas the chronics
by the "inclinations" and "leanings", which are assessed over a period
of time).

I do not consider suppression as inevitable with allopathic drugs; for
me even this is an individual reaction and depends on multiple
factors. It is more likely in certain conditions-but lots of times
occurs even when least suspected or expected...

In short nothing is "NEVER" or "ALWAYS" all the time...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Brian Garnant wrote:
temperature kills off viruses, etc.

[Shannon Nelson]

Dr. R,
Very interesting! Why do you suppose she spiked a fever after getting
that single dose of antibiotic--are you figuring the reduced bacterial
load freed her system up to begin making use of the remedy, or ?
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Simon,
I do think you make an important point, that it is *not* always safe to
just leave the fever to play out as it will. *But* I would say that it
is *usually* quite safe to, and I very much share the opinion of those
speaking "in favor of fever", and against the idea that fevers need to
be "brought down" as a rule.

Can you say any more about that case, whether there were warning signs
that might have / should have warned the parents that something
*should* be done? And just what is meant by "no treatment"... Was
dehydration a factor, do you know? I'm just curious, always eager not
to repeat others' mistakes!
Shannon
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Exactly, that was the purpose of the single dose of antibiotics. Once part
of the system was freed from the task to contain microbial development, it
could start the destruction of those that escaped the antibiotics, clean the
system and restore function.
The beauty of it is that it is a "single shot" that does not in any way
compromise the function of any other system and, contrarily to what
conventional practitioners claim, do not select resistant germs, as those
survive anyway long periods on antibiotics and then thrive while the rest of
the body is weakened by repeated doses.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".