just a note
Am told that nat mur 200c helped when head injuries from being bashed at school and also when majorly stressed after living with father and would want to walk off into the night or stand in the pouring rain and not come into his house.
Beverly
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walking in the dark
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: walking in the dark
"Helped" to what degree? A remedy that is "close" can have a
short-term or limited good effect; but was it to any degree curative,
would you say?
Shannon
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short-term or limited good effect; but was it to any degree curative,
would you say?
Shannon
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Re: walking in the dark
it would be very very useful to have a time line, although it seems much of his condition
derives from the abuse and then exacerbated with shock and more abuse/suppression
regarding the toes (whichever order these occured)
abuse with hitting someone over the head, shock (driving accident), nbws surgery, and I
think you wrote somewhere that he says he is well (or thinks he is well) - you can't rule out
Arnica - this case could be as simple as that, but so many other excellent suggestions
made. best wishes, Joy
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derives from the abuse and then exacerbated with shock and more abuse/suppression
regarding the toes (whichever order these occured)
abuse with hitting someone over the head, shock (driving accident), nbws surgery, and I
think you wrote somewhere that he says he is well (or thinks he is well) - you can't rule out
Arnica - this case could be as simple as that, but so many other excellent suggestions
made. best wishes, Joy
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
Re: walking in the dark
Shannon
from what I am told after being bashed at school he could not be awaked the next day and mother went to ring an ambulance. In the meantime she put one pill of nat.mur 200c inside his lips as the homeopath had suggested she do and before she could finish dialling th phone no. of the ambulance she heard music- put the phone down and went to his room to check and he was awake, sitting on the side of the bed with a Cd in the player. it was that quick.
Also am told one night he was standing in the pouring rain outside his house and was going to walk off in the dark as he had previously when mother used to have to go to look for him. He was dazed and unreasonable and would not come in the house. After much coaxing she got him to have a few sips of water out of a glass with the nat mur 200 pill in it [as she reasoned it had helped him previously with head injury and she didn't have anything else and couldn't ring the homeopath late at night] and he calmed down, and could be reasoned with enough to coax inside the house.
I'm sure he was then given other remedies at some stages as I'm told he was in a continual cycle of fear. Am not sure what they might have been though.
Have been told that now periodically he rinses his head under the cold water tap in the mornings and used to do that when had headaches after being hit. That woudl also possibly fit nat.m. woulnd't it?
I'm not trying to talk myself into this remedy being the right one. I really do want to have all your input as I don't have much opportunity or know when there will be an opportunity to try to right this for the family.
thanks again
Beverly
from what I am told after being bashed at school he could not be awaked the next day and mother went to ring an ambulance. In the meantime she put one pill of nat.mur 200c inside his lips as the homeopath had suggested she do and before she could finish dialling th phone no. of the ambulance she heard music- put the phone down and went to his room to check and he was awake, sitting on the side of the bed with a Cd in the player. it was that quick.
Also am told one night he was standing in the pouring rain outside his house and was going to walk off in the dark as he had previously when mother used to have to go to look for him. He was dazed and unreasonable and would not come in the house. After much coaxing she got him to have a few sips of water out of a glass with the nat mur 200 pill in it [as she reasoned it had helped him previously with head injury and she didn't have anything else and couldn't ring the homeopath late at night] and he calmed down, and could be reasoned with enough to coax inside the house.
I'm sure he was then given other remedies at some stages as I'm told he was in a continual cycle of fear. Am not sure what they might have been though.
Have been told that now periodically he rinses his head under the cold water tap in the mornings and used to do that when had headaches after being hit. That woudl also possibly fit nat.m. woulnd't it?
I'm not trying to talk myself into this remedy being the right one. I really do want to have all your input as I don't have much opportunity or know when there will be an opportunity to try to right this for the family.
thanks again
Beverly
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d_barbara_hamilton
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Re: walking in the dark
Hi Beverly,
I think you have to decide what needs treated as Joy suggested. I have a similar case,
who has responded well to Stram., and it is a case of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder due
to prolonged violent assault at school and the sequelae (8 years since abuse and still
strongly affected, with fear of rejection still active). Stram. is the only remedy that 'takes
it down', but needs frequent repetition.
What is he asking you treat first ? What is his "entry ticket" as Ian Watson puts it; did he
come with his toe pain, or ?
Stram. can be as closed as a Nat.mur. as they fear their own inner violence and exposing
it to others. I also have a case where the delusion is that their hands do not belong to
them, but that is also a case with a one-off psychotic episode, so the tendency to
delusional thinking was already there.
His is a very intriguing case, and I think to sort the wheat from the chaff it's now
essential to take the most important symptoms which limit his freedom to enjoy life; you
have to start somewhere, and I think most px would want to receive help with
restrictions to enjoyment of life anyway.
Like Shannon, I see this whole 'zombie/undead' thing - with even the note from his
father almost wishing this upon him. Dreadful. He's maybe a candidate for the rubric
"alive on oneside and buried on the other". He can only be living a half-life anyway,
when you consider the amount of fear he has to live under.
I don't know what you think of Paul Herscu's Map of Hierarchy, but he suggests you give
the most extreme remedy first (which would be Hyos), which would then lead to a Stram.
prx as the px is 'active' rather than 'dulled'. He then suggests Carcinosin as most likely
for Phase II, (which would help with the head injury too), or one other nosode like Med,
Tub, Psor. if higher) followed by the most appropriate constitutional remedy that would
present after taking away the 'extremes'. Having not tried this way of prescribing, I'm
only mentioning it, and not necessarily advocating it. Thought it worth sharing as you
are undecided about Hyos, Stram.
Really feel for this guy that he must be having 'waking' terrors rather than night ones,
although his standing in the rain and washing his head under a tap can only serve to
remind him that he is, after all, alive (my Stram. PTSD case did this also, FWIW).
Hope helpful anyway. Good luck ! Barbara
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and mother went to ring an ambulance. In the meantime she put one pill of nat.mur
200c inside his lips as the homeopath had suggested she do and before she could finish
dialling th phone no. of the ambulance she heard music- put the phone down and went
to his room to check and he was awake, sitting on the side of the bed with a Cd in the
player. it was that quick.
going to walk off in the dark as he had previously when mother used to have to go to
look for him. He was dazed and unreasonable and would not come in the house. After
much coaxing she got him to have a few sips of water out of a glass with the nat mur
200 pill in it [as she reasoned it had helped him previously with head injury and she
didn't have anything else and couldn't ring the homeopath late at night] and he calmed
down, and could be reasoned with enough to coax inside the house.
continual cycle of fear. Am not sure what they might have been though.
mornings and used to do that when had headaches after being hit. That woudl also
possibly fit nat.m. woulnd't it?
have all your input as I don't have much opportunity or know when there will be an
opportunity to try to right this for the family.
I think you have to decide what needs treated as Joy suggested. I have a similar case,
who has responded well to Stram., and it is a case of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder due
to prolonged violent assault at school and the sequelae (8 years since abuse and still
strongly affected, with fear of rejection still active). Stram. is the only remedy that 'takes
it down', but needs frequent repetition.
What is he asking you treat first ? What is his "entry ticket" as Ian Watson puts it; did he
come with his toe pain, or ?
Stram. can be as closed as a Nat.mur. as they fear their own inner violence and exposing
it to others. I also have a case where the delusion is that their hands do not belong to
them, but that is also a case with a one-off psychotic episode, so the tendency to
delusional thinking was already there.
His is a very intriguing case, and I think to sort the wheat from the chaff it's now
essential to take the most important symptoms which limit his freedom to enjoy life; you
have to start somewhere, and I think most px would want to receive help with
restrictions to enjoyment of life anyway.
Like Shannon, I see this whole 'zombie/undead' thing - with even the note from his
father almost wishing this upon him. Dreadful. He's maybe a candidate for the rubric
"alive on oneside and buried on the other". He can only be living a half-life anyway,
when you consider the amount of fear he has to live under.
I don't know what you think of Paul Herscu's Map of Hierarchy, but he suggests you give
the most extreme remedy first (which would be Hyos), which would then lead to a Stram.
prx as the px is 'active' rather than 'dulled'. He then suggests Carcinosin as most likely
for Phase II, (which would help with the head injury too), or one other nosode like Med,
Tub, Psor. if higher) followed by the most appropriate constitutional remedy that would
present after taking away the 'extremes'. Having not tried this way of prescribing, I'm
only mentioning it, and not necessarily advocating it. Thought it worth sharing as you
are undecided about Hyos, Stram.
Really feel for this guy that he must be having 'waking' terrors rather than night ones,
although his standing in the rain and washing his head under a tap can only serve to
remind him that he is, after all, alive (my Stram. PTSD case did this also, FWIW).
Hope helpful anyway. Good luck ! Barbara
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "ehc" wrote:
and mother went to ring an ambulance. In the meantime she put one pill of nat.mur
200c inside his lips as the homeopath had suggested she do and before she could finish
dialling th phone no. of the ambulance she heard music- put the phone down and went
to his room to check and he was awake, sitting on the side of the bed with a Cd in the
player. it was that quick.
going to walk off in the dark as he had previously when mother used to have to go to
look for him. He was dazed and unreasonable and would not come in the house. After
much coaxing she got him to have a few sips of water out of a glass with the nat mur
200 pill in it [as she reasoned it had helped him previously with head injury and she
didn't have anything else and couldn't ring the homeopath late at night] and he calmed
down, and could be reasoned with enough to coax inside the house.
continual cycle of fear. Am not sure what they might have been though.
mornings and used to do that when had headaches after being hit. That woudl also
possibly fit nat.m. woulnd't it?
have all your input as I don't have much opportunity or know when there will be an
opportunity to try to right this for the family.
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: walking in the dark
Hi Barbara,
This rings a bell, and I had forgotten all about it. Is this from his
"Stramonium" book?
Thanks!
Shannon
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This rings a bell, and I had forgotten all about it. Is this from his
"Stramonium" book?
Thanks!
Shannon
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d_barbara_hamilton
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Re: walking in the dark
thankyou Barbara and everyone for your thoughts. You have been most helpful
It certainly looks like Stram is a big contender in the picture
I haven't used the method you mentioned from Paul Herscu but will look at it and see how we go
I wish you well in your cases
kind regards
Beverly
It certainly looks like Stram is a big contender in the picture
I haven't used the method you mentioned from Paul Herscu but will look at it and see how we go
I wish you well in your cases
kind regards
Beverly
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Jean Doherty
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Re: walking in the dark
Very interesting discussion. Thank you all. There have been some
great topics and insights.
Recently I have seen Veratrum in a few of these people with gross
personality disorder.
The big hurt is how they are perceived by society. All the remedies
mentioned can be seen too but ?/veratrum produced some calmness.
The overactivity of the mind can be a lead.
FWIW. Best Wishes Jean
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great topics and insights.
Recently I have seen Veratrum in a few of these people with gross
personality disorder.
The big hurt is how they are perceived by society. All the remedies
mentioned can be seen too but ?/veratrum produced some calmness.
The overactivity of the mind can be a lead.
FWIW. Best Wishes Jean
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