walking in dark [longish]- a little more

[ehc]

A little more

patient will not acknowledge that there are any physical symptoms beyond sore toes and previous slight pain perineum when sitting [lyc?] Will not even talk about these
thinking about it makes worse. Says is well [puls?] Uses mental control to control pain in toes.
All conversation is about going forward in life. Wants to leave everythig behind. Has gone so far as to change his name to become another person with another life. Is secretive. Will not share information. Often I am told will not acknowledge he has been asked a question. Not open. If relatives ask more than basic question will be told to mind their own business. Loves to share intellectual exchange. Very observant of others. Looks around ll the time as walking to observe if danger.My feeling is that he puts himself in danger i.e. wlaking alone at night because of restlessness and says can think better when walking but also as he is so fearful inside needs to constantly confront fearful situations to prove he can survive
Very strong dislike and Confusion about religion. Talks of love being what is needed.

Would appreciate all help you can suggest

thanks

Beverly

PS sorry about resending whole message- cannot work out how to delete parts of message with new message format.

[Joy Lucas]

thank you Michele and Glenda and Beverly are you using his
reluctance to communicate as a sx?

I can only add (others may be able to offer more) that if you are not
able to penetrate the case further it will be difficult determining
the best rx because so many rx come up for this type of a persecuted
state and this is why I would want more physicals - they are so much
easier to deal with. But if you only have the history of ingrowing
toenails and he still has so much real or imagined pain with his toes
then you should concentrate on that because that pain is still
persecuting him like the more ethereal aspects of the case are. I
suppose this is why I like the idea of Nitric acid, which also has the
sx << thinking of complaints.Sometimes the seemingly lesser physical
sx are the real golden wonders of a case rather than the wow emotional
ones.

The other big rx for ingrowing toenails is Mag-Aust - a very unstable
rx and this might be worth looking at as well. Also there is much in
his confused, secretive, suspicious and extremely sensitive state to
suggest Thuja.

Do you want to share what rubrics you have used. Best wishes, Joy

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beyond sore toes and previous slight pain perineum when sitting [lyc?]
Will not even talk about these
control to control pain in toes.
everythig behind. Has gone so far as to change his name to become
another person with another life. Is secretive. Will not share
information. Often I am told will not acknowledge he has been asked a
question. Not open. If relatives ask more than basic question will be
told to mind their own business. Loves to share intellectual exchange.
Very observant of others. Looks around ll the time as walking to
observe if danger.My feeling is that he puts himself in danger i.e.
wlaking alone at night because of restlessness and says can think
better when walking but also as he is so fearful inside needs to
constantly confront fearful situations to prove he can survive
being what is needed.
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[d_barbara_hamilton]

Hi Beverly,

I've not been able to join in on-list for awhile now so come to this case without
knowing what has already been said, but I wonder if you have considered Med., as it
is not well represented in the reps as you know and it maybe needs addressing before
repeating the Aurum perhaps ?

Just a thought ..

regards, Barbara

[ehc]

Barbaralooked at Med, haven't used -
would appreciate your take on applicaton of it

thanks Beverly

[d_barbara_hamilton]

Hi Beverly,

It struck me that Med might be a possibility when I was reading through it (along with
Aurum, Anac and Lyc if I'm honest). Med. is woefully under-represented in terms of
repertorisation, so I did a quick one and it was within 10 places of the top - (other
scorers Stram, Nit.ac, Verat, Lyss, Ars., Phos, Puls).

Here are some rubrics that do fit:

Abrupt, harsh
Rudeness
Egotism, self esteem - which is compensation for:
Confidence, lack of self
Delusions, religious
Delusions, persecuted
Fear, apprehension, dread alone, of being, night, behind him, someone is
" , dark;
" , death
Impulsive
Restlessness, night
Irritability, trifles from
Mood, alternating, changeable, variable
Morose
Rage
Cursing
Selfishness, egotism
Suspicious, mistrustful
Thinking, complaints agg, of (Bold)
Touched, aversion to being
Unfeeling, hardhearted
Hatred, and revenge
Hatred of persons, offended him, who had
Malicious, vindictive
Meat, aversion

Extremities, sore, bruised pain, toes
Oversensitivity of soles of feet

Eyes, wild look - should have Med., as it makes sense if it is in the rubric "Wildness".
It is not in some of the more pertinent rubrics (especially Estranged, etc.), but there is
this 'unreal' approach to life - for instance, not being able to work at a "normal" job,
or being unable to put his foot firmly on the ground, nor want to be part of this
material world possibly ? :

E.g.
Has been told is phantom pain.
Walks on
From Prisma:

"Overwhelmed by inner unformed impulses - contrasting with: withdrawal from outer
world into inner dream world ...
Shuns responsibilities."

"These individuals have a problem with time. They are constantly projecting into the
future. What comes next? This question, which is constantly on their lips, ruins the
present for them."
[Grandgeorge].

and

"Others explore the vast vistas of intellectual ideas, devouring philosophies as eagerly
as they devour scientific theories and developments. And some take heady
excursions into the realms of imagination and mystical insight." [Bailey]
He seems to have an aversion to being 'touched' - in more ways than one. Could his
desire for exercise be related to a sense of 'hurry'? He certainly seems to swing from
one extreme to the other, which is v. Med., but I don't think it is the whole picture by
any means, and that's why I mentioned intercurrent, as you had some success with
the Aurum.

Some more generals might help, but appreciate they are hard to elicit;

Just my take on it.

regards, Barbara
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it
before

[ehc]

Barbara

thanks for your information and interest

I appreciate it.

I have looked at all agian and luc, puls and ars all come up with puls being highest then lyc.

If I was to use Med which potency would you suggest

thanks

Beverly

[d_barbara_hamilton]

Only you can suss the energy of the px in front of you and whether high doses are
appropriate; there are not enough physicals to go on, but generally in highly-
mentalised px it is suggested by Berkeley Digby to go as high as possible.

I'm also wondering (although I hate labels) looking at his age, whether he is going
into paranoid schizophrenia ? See below for internet description. [I have a px who
has a 'persecution mania', but to all intents and purposes workwise is fine - just
difficulty in social relationships.]

Mind; SCHIZOPHRENIA; Paranoid (p, 10) (10) : Bell., Hyos., med., methyl., Nux-v., op.,
psil-s., rauw., stram., verat.

Also, is this a possible rubric ?

Generalities; EMACIATION; General; pining boys (m, 7) (7) : AUR., Bac., LYC., med.,
Nat-m., Ph-ac., TUB.

It ticks a lot of boxes remedy-wise anyway - but what might he be pining ... the loss
of his father's love ? Just a thought anyway.

regards, Barbara
~

The first signs of paranoid schizophrenia usually surface between the ages of 15 and
34. There is no cure, but the disorder can be controlled with medications. Severe
attacks may require hospitalization.
Causes
The causes of schizophrenia are still under debate. A chemical imbalance in the brain
seems to play a role, but the reason for the imbalance remains unclear. We do know
that you're a bit more likely to become schizophrenic if you have a family member
with the illness. Stress does not cause schizophrenia, but can make the symptoms
worse.

Signs/Symptoms
Schizophrenia usually develops gradually, although onset can be sudden. Friends
and family often notice the first changes before the victim does. Among the signs are:
Confusion
Inability to make decisions
Hallucinations
Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight
Delusions
Nervousness
Strange statements or behavior
Withdrawal from friends, work, or school
Neglect of personal hygiene
Anger
Indifference to the opinions of others
A tendency to argue
A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you
~

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then lyc.

[ehc]

Thanks Barbara

having never given Med I'm not so sure of potency.

Yes he has a lot to pine over. hence emaciation- Loss of father's love. being subjected to violence. missing out on any support systems.
Being lied to by persons he trusted [including a practitioner]

Hyos has been my next port of call if I couldn't come up with something else to give after the probable nat. mr. depending on progress.

Other remedies i.e. puls/lyc I might use a 1m but Med I'm not so sure of potency.

thanks so much for your help.

Beverly

www.eternalhealthconcepts.com

[Joy Lucas]

hello Beverly, can you say a bit more about the head injury you
mentioned earlier (or have I missed that?), best wishes, Joy

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love. being subjected to violence. missing out on any support systems.
something else to give after the probable nat. mr. depending on progress.
sure of potency.

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Beverly,
You can choose the potency for Med the same way as for any other
remedy--including the clarity of the prescribing picture / how certain
you are (are there any Med keynotes in the case?). I agree with
Barbara that the nature of the complaints seems to give preference to a
high potency, tho.

Is there anything re loves / hates of any foods?
What is his sleep pattern?

And on another note--Looking again at your original post I'm wondering
again about stram (or perhaps another remedy with something of stram's
specific emphasis on fear and violence).

You wrote:
... violent father who has hunted for person wherever they have been -
only to
threaten and swear at patient when found [father needs lyc]
situation--but does it seem that he *perceived* it as such, or did he
take it more as a matter of humiliation, or ?? This line brought to
mind a way-back case of mine, the patient (well, was a cat actually,
but still...) was hunted down and attacked every night by his father
(awesomely nasty old tomcat). Stram turned out to be a lifesaver for
him--so this I think is why stram leapt to my mind on reading your
case--but your patient's situation was different, and I wonder what it
*felt* like to him--did he feel like his life was being threatened, or
not that? The *feeling* of his response to this could--maybe?--help to
choose.]]
danger, or was it a different issue? What did he think the family
members were going to do if they found him?]]

[...]

of stram--tho should also think what other remedies might do this. So
full of fear that he seeks it out... Actually I think Med is also in
that group? And most of what I'm saying about stram maybe applies to
hyos too.]]

need anybody but in reality very lonely. Seems to be them alone
against the world. [[Who's the other, in the reference to "them"??]]
others
time.

others too, incl. I believe hyos.]]

After 1

stram-like state, aurum worked miraculously for her--but only for a
little while. Eventually we worked out that it was Lyssin she needed,
but the state *looked* very convincingly like stram (night terrors,
chronic fearfulness, violent rages [followed by quick remorse]). So
possibly that's another to put in his "maybe" basket, just for a
thought.]]

2 doses of aur given and helped [lack of

perception, or ??
whatever? [[Again maybe that can help choose among the possibilities?
you elaborate on his *feelings* in response to the (perceived and/or
carc, cocc, conv, cupr-acet, falco-p, germ, hell, hyos, ign, lach,
laur, lyc, merc, mit, nat-c, nat-m, nux-v, op, ph-ac, phos, plat, puls,
rhus-t, sep, sil, stram, sulph, verat, viol-o ]]

[...]
definitely the case with my stramonium kitty... Anyway--
No hyos, FWIW.

Helpful to others.
[...]

In case it's of interesting--
Morrison's Desktop Prescriber, Stramonium:
The degree of violence in our culture has made Stramonium an ever
more common remedy, especially in children. We often expect to see very
advanced mental conditions or mania states in Stramonium cases but
there are a great number of patients who can benefit from this remedy
who are perfectly normal mentally. In these early stage cases we will
see only hints of the violence and fear which are common in the later
stages. However all through the pathology we will find tremendous
intensity and energy. Stramonium is also an important remedy in acute
illness with delirium and febrile convulsions.
Violence in action, in thought, in the physical symptoms is the
central fact of Stramonium: violence or the fear of violence.
Stramonium is mainly a remedy of the nervous system. The violence often
seems to be of a neurological type, coming almost as a convulsion.
Epilepsy, strabismus, sleep disturbance, attention deficit disorders,
and even schizophrenia are common manifestations of Stramonium,
pointing towards an underlying fragility and imbalance in the nervous
system and helping to explain the violence of the remedy. It is in this
type of excitement and upheaval of the nervous system that we find the
sphere of action of this remedy. Any neurological insult may provoke a
Stramonium state: fever, alcohol, injury.
In adults, Stramonium patients often present without any
aggressive behavior at all, but rather with intense fears. The fears
almost always have to do with violence or death or with things which
symbolize death (darkness, cemeteries) or violence (animals).
Often we will find true mania cases in Stramonium, these patients
can be frighteningly violent. Stramonium mania can even lead to
homicidal rages. This remedy is able to cure patients with tremendously
advanced mental conditions.

The Stramonium child is often placid in the office showing little
or none of the violence described by the parent. Sometimes the child
becomes dreamy or drowsy as the parent describes the problems. The
troubles often begin after a strong fright such as a car accident, a
sexual abuse, the witnessing of an act of violence in the environment,
or after a neurological insult such as meningitis or encephalitis. The
precipitating event is often followed by nightmares or terrible
night-terrors and eventually the development of rages. The rage in
Stramonium is uncontrolled and impulsive - that is, without malicious
forethought. It comes in an outburst, almost as a convulsion or
neurological discharge. It would be unusual for a Stramonium case to
develop such a violence without equally strong fears. Remember that the
parents may for various reasons be reticent about explaining the full
degree of pathology in such a child.

Mind.

of any type - biting, striking, strangling,
etc.
with red face, dilated pupils, superhuman strength.
- especially violent death or murder.
- sleep with a light, goes into the parents bed.
- especially getting the head in water, even a
shower, and of running water.
- especially at night or in the dark.
. Dogs. Mirrors, reflecting objects. Disease.
Ghost. Injury. Insanity. Suffocation. Claustrophobia. Agoraphobia.
- especially violent things or where
death may have been narrowly averted.
: the child shrieks out and sits up, he is filled
with terror but not really awakened, makes no contact with the parents
or may think his parents are trying to hurt him not comfort him,
recognizes no one, has no memory of the event when truly awake.
Jealousy.
Loquacity.
Cursing.
Laughter, loud and cruel or wild.
Hyperactive children. Behavior disorders.
; the patient may show the most excruciating effort
in order to speak and the word finally comes explosively.

General.
often violent.

Sunstroke.
Neurological disorder from head injury, vaccination, fright,
meningitis.
Chorea, athetosis, jerks of muscles or whole limb, tics, gestures.
Unrefreshed sleep.
Combined Symptoms
Any two of these fears: Dark. Death. Being alone. Animals. Water.
TEMPER PROBLEMS AND FEARS OR NIGHTMARES.
CONVULSIONS AND FEARS.

Head.

Head injury.
Severe headaches, worse sun. Head jerks during headache.
Grimacing. Tics. Twitches. Bruxism.
Meningitis, encephalitis, or complaints arising from these
disorders.
Tongue dry and cracked.
Hirsutism.
Fearful expression in eyes or face.
Diplopia. Pupils dilated.

Gastro-intestinal.

Offensive diarrhea.
Violent hiccoughing.
Thirst increased.

Urinary and Sexual Organs.
, aggressive, vulgar language,
promiscuous.
Masturbation.
Patients with history of incest or any type of frightening sexual
abuse.
Constant touching of the genitals.
Enuresis, especially after a fright.
Metrorrhagia.

Chest.
Angina. Arrhythmia.
Chronic cough and bronchitis. Spasmodic asthma.

Extremities.
Left hip pain or abscess.

Skin.
Abscess.

Clinical.
Abscess. Angina. Arrhythmia. Asthma. Behavior disorder. Cerebral
accidents. Chorea. Delirium. Diarrhea. Enuresis. Febrile convulsion.
Head injury. Headache. Hirsutism. Hyperactive children. Mania.
Manic-depression. Meningitis. Metrorrhagia. Night-terrors. Phobic
disorder. Strabismus. Schizophrenia. Seizure disorder. Sexual
disorders. Stammering.

Relationship.
Comparisons.
Hyos - Mania, sexual expression, loquacity, violence and anger,
cursing, convulsion.
Bell - Febrile convulsions. Anger and mania, fear dogs, dilated
pupils, increased strength in mania or delirium.
Verat. Cupr. Lach. Anac. Med. Kali-Br.
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