I'd like to know what list members think about this kind of situation.
I have a patient who does well on remedies in general but goes through phases of intense emotional trauma - not of her direct causing. She has many, many difficulties with her family and with her boss, and just when I think things are starting to move ahead there's another setback, another abusive situation and a worsening in physical and mental symptoms. She's received several remedies, including Nat-M, Sepia, Ars, and Nit-Ac, all of which have helped for a time, but not conclusively. One of her symptoms is a rash around the neck, chest and back, parts of which go a dark brown, parts of which (especially the exposed parts) get red, somewhat raised and very itchy, especially in summer. It was treated in the past with very strong allopathic anti-fungal medication. The rash has improved about 50%-60% during treatment, but with each traumatic situation it's back.
I don't know if this counts as obstacle to cure. There are those who tell me that the remedies should help her reaction to stress, but the constant bombardment here is incredible, it's amazing that she holds out at all.
She's now developed idiopathic hypertension, kidney problems were checked and ruled out. I'm considering moving to Dulcamara at this stage.
I don't think that remedies should be expected to magically sort out a patient's life - although some people report that this does happen. But can one have any expectation of a beneficial remedy action under these circumstances?
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Dear Vera, rather than seeing this as an obstacle to cure I might see
it as an indication as the simillimum not being delivered, because it
keeps returning as if to suggest this is the core sx (i.e. the eruption
around the neck), the main indication as to whether or not the correct
rx has been found.
Even though emotional trauma can give a set back to the best indicated
rx they can also be an indication to take another route and the true
simillimum should always help, regardless of the ongoing maintaining
causes of 'setback'.
I would go back to this area of the neck and the outburst of the rash +
type + extension + modalities and concommitants and if you are thinking
of Dulcamara I would also think of Rhus tox, but either way it is worth
adjusting the point of view. Best wishes, Joy
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it as an indication as the simillimum not being delivered, because it
keeps returning as if to suggest this is the core sx (i.e. the eruption
around the neck), the main indication as to whether or not the correct
rx has been found.
Even though emotional trauma can give a set back to the best indicated
rx they can also be an indication to take another route and the true
simillimum should always help, regardless of the ongoing maintaining
causes of 'setback'.
I would go back to this area of the neck and the outburst of the rash +
type + extension + modalities and concommitants and if you are thinking
of Dulcamara I would also think of Rhus tox, but either way it is worth
adjusting the point of view. Best wishes, Joy
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Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
Hi, Vera.
The fact that her illness is becoming more serious (hypertension, kidney
problems) would indicate that the correct remedy hasn't been found yet.
Also, although a remedy doesn't "sort out" a person's life, often when the
remedy is acting deeply, the person begins to shift his or her response to
stressful external situations -- not allow them to disturb in the same way,
have more resistence to their damaging aftereffects.
The development of the hypertension and whatever the kidney symptoms are
gives you more information on which to base a remedy choice.
Regards, Rosemary
The fact that her illness is becoming more serious (hypertension, kidney
problems) would indicate that the correct remedy hasn't been found yet.
Also, although a remedy doesn't "sort out" a person's life, often when the
remedy is acting deeply, the person begins to shift his or her response to
stressful external situations -- not allow them to disturb in the same way,
have more resistence to their damaging aftereffects.
The development of the hypertension and whatever the kidney symptoms are
gives you more information on which to base a remedy choice.
Regards, Rosemary
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Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
i wonder about Medusa. It has lot of mind symptoms. Is there any
amelioration from bathing. I had a lovely round girl once who loved
to bathe with rash of her upper body, Best Wishes Jean
amelioration from bathing. I had a lovely round girl once who loved
to bathe with rash of her upper body, Best Wishes Jean
Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
While I certainly agree that it is worth considering a change in remedy, it is also worth considering the other components of this situation. Is she getting rest, good food, excercise, perhaps counsiling necessary to regain her balance and allow the first (perhaps well chosen) remedy to get back to working? I have seen clients who's repeated emotional trauma aggrivates already poor conditions. If they were previously living with poor habits (diet, excercise, rest, etc.) then during these times of trauma live on 'fast food' or those nasty casseroles everyone brings to your home in a tradegy, it is akin to sucking the water away from a tree in a drought. I'm watching a series of events unfold in a neighbors life - I just recently convinced her to add vegetables to her diet on a regular basis. Now her mother has died, relatives are squabling, her sister divorced moved in with her (with children), and she lost her job (all in the space of 2 or 3 months). She is back to fast food, gets no rest, and looks terrible. Even if she was on a well chosen remedy - what chance would it have under those circumstances?
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Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
Vera-
This is certainly an obstacle to cure- sometimes the simillimum helps
a person to face the trials and tribulations of life with better
balance but sometimes counseling and psychotherapy would help. The
counseling / psychotherapy need not be even of the insight variety.
Plain ego-strengthening techniques ( psycho-vitamins) might help while
the remedy works out... Listening to some relaxation tapes etc. would
help too- mainly anything that would help the person to step away from
the mess and look at it with a different perspective....
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "DCR" wrote:
remedy, it is also worth considering the other components of this
situation. Is she getting rest, good food, excercise, perhaps
counsiling necessary to regain her balance and allow the first
(perhaps well chosen) remedy to get back to working? I have seen
clients who's repeated emotional trauma aggrivates already poor
conditions. If they were previously living with poor habits (diet,
excercise, rest, etc.) then during these times of trauma live on 'fast
food' or those nasty casseroles everyone brings to your home in a
tradegy, it is akin to sucking the water away from a tree in a
drought. I'm watching a series of events unfold in a neighbors life -
I just recently convinced her to add vegetables to her diet on a
regular basis. Now her mother has died, relatives are squabling, her
sister divorced moved in with her (with children), and she lost her
job (all in the space of 2 or 3 months). She is back to fast food,
gets no rest, and looks terrible. Even if she was on a well chosen
remedy - what chance would it have under those circumstances?
emotional trauma
kidney
when the
response to
same way,
are
This is certainly an obstacle to cure- sometimes the simillimum helps
a person to face the trials and tribulations of life with better
balance but sometimes counseling and psychotherapy would help. The
counseling / psychotherapy need not be even of the insight variety.
Plain ego-strengthening techniques ( psycho-vitamins) might help while
the remedy works out... Listening to some relaxation tapes etc. would
help too- mainly anything that would help the person to step away from
the mess and look at it with a different perspective....
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "DCR" wrote:
remedy, it is also worth considering the other components of this
situation. Is she getting rest, good food, excercise, perhaps
counsiling necessary to regain her balance and allow the first
(perhaps well chosen) remedy to get back to working? I have seen
clients who's repeated emotional trauma aggrivates already poor
conditions. If they were previously living with poor habits (diet,
excercise, rest, etc.) then during these times of trauma live on 'fast
food' or those nasty casseroles everyone brings to your home in a
tradegy, it is akin to sucking the water away from a tree in a
drought. I'm watching a series of events unfold in a neighbors life -
I just recently convinced her to add vegetables to her diet on a
regular basis. Now her mother has died, relatives are squabling, her
sister divorced moved in with her (with children), and she lost her
job (all in the space of 2 or 3 months). She is back to fast food,
gets no rest, and looks terrible. Even if she was on a well chosen
remedy - what chance would it have under those circumstances?
emotional trauma
kidney
when the
response to
same way,
are
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Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
hello .....
in my opinion,,,u should think of carc,ign where dere r prolonged unhappiness or repeated persistent problems .If dese r not prescribed,,,kindly consider.
thanx
gunjan
VR VR wrote:
I'd like to know what list members think about this kind of situation.
I have a patient who does well on remedies in general but goes through phases of intense emotional trauma - not of her direct causing. She has many, many difficulties with her family and with her boss, and just when I think things are starting to move ahead there's another setback, another abusive situation and a worsening in physical and mental symptoms. She's received several remedies, including Nat-M, Sepia, Ars, and Nit-Ac, all of which have helped for a time, but not conclusively. One of her symptoms is a rash around the neck, chest and back, parts of which go a dark brown, parts of which (especially the exposed parts) get red, somewhat raised and very itchy, especially in summer. It was treated in the past with very strong allopathic anti-fungal medication. The rash has improved about 50%-60% during treatment, but with each traumatic situation it's back.
I don't know if this counts as obstacle to cure. There are those who tell me that the remedies should help her reaction to stress, but the constant bombardment here is incredible, it's amazing that she holds out at all.
She's now developed idiopathic hypertension, kidney problems were checked and ruled out. I'm considering moving to Dulcamara at this stage.
I don't think that remedies should be expected to magically sort out a patient's life - although some people report that this does happen. But can one have any expectation of a beneficial remedy action under these circumstances?
Vera
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in my opinion,,,u should think of carc,ign where dere r prolonged unhappiness or repeated persistent problems .If dese r not prescribed,,,kindly consider.
thanx
gunjan
VR VR wrote:
I'd like to know what list members think about this kind of situation.
I have a patient who does well on remedies in general but goes through phases of intense emotional trauma - not of her direct causing. She has many, many difficulties with her family and with her boss, and just when I think things are starting to move ahead there's another setback, another abusive situation and a worsening in physical and mental symptoms. She's received several remedies, including Nat-M, Sepia, Ars, and Nit-Ac, all of which have helped for a time, but not conclusively. One of her symptoms is a rash around the neck, chest and back, parts of which go a dark brown, parts of which (especially the exposed parts) get red, somewhat raised and very itchy, especially in summer. It was treated in the past with very strong allopathic anti-fungal medication. The rash has improved about 50%-60% during treatment, but with each traumatic situation it's back.
I don't know if this counts as obstacle to cure. There are those who tell me that the remedies should help her reaction to stress, but the constant bombardment here is incredible, it's amazing that she holds out at all.
She's now developed idiopathic hypertension, kidney problems were checked and ruled out. I'm considering moving to Dulcamara at this stage.
I don't think that remedies should be expected to magically sort out a patient's life - although some people report that this does happen. But can one have any expectation of a beneficial remedy action under these circumstances?
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Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
Hi Rosemary,
To clarify, she doesn't have kidney problems! often in cases of idiopathic hypertension the kidney is checked. Also in the past she has shown other more serious pathologies which have improved during treatment. One interesting point is that the blood pressure goes up during rest, and she can bring it down consciously during meditation.
Her response is much better than it used to be during treatment, but the kind of traumas and abuse she faces are such that if she were neutral in her response I would wonder what drug she's taking. In some situations it is pathological not to respond - whether in grief, anger or happiness - to external events.
I suppose the question is how much any event is truly external.
In terms of improved response, I find I'm using her increasing ability to distance herself from abusive people as a guide to her improvement in terms of response. In that sense she's almost there, but going through great difficulty doing so.
I do feel that a different remedy is indicated at present, but it's one of these cases that seem to have a lot of zigzags in it.
Vera
Vera
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Hi, Vera.
The fact that her illness is becoming more serious (hypertension, kidney
problems) would indicate that the correct remedy hasn't been found yet.
Also, although a remedy doesn't "sort out" a person's life, often when the
remedy is acting deeply, the person begins to shift his or her response to
stressful external situations -- not allow them to disturb in the same way,
have more resistence to their damaging aftereffects.
The development of the hypertension and whatever the kidney symptoms are
gives you more information on which to base a remedy choice.
Regards, Rosemary
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To clarify, she doesn't have kidney problems! often in cases of idiopathic hypertension the kidney is checked. Also in the past she has shown other more serious pathologies which have improved during treatment. One interesting point is that the blood pressure goes up during rest, and she can bring it down consciously during meditation.
Her response is much better than it used to be during treatment, but the kind of traumas and abuse she faces are such that if she were neutral in her response I would wonder what drug she's taking. In some situations it is pathological not to respond - whether in grief, anger or happiness - to external events.
I suppose the question is how much any event is truly external.
In terms of improved response, I find I'm using her increasing ability to distance herself from abusive people as a guide to her improvement in terms of response. In that sense she's almost there, but going through great difficulty doing so.
I do feel that a different remedy is indicated at present, but it's one of these cases that seem to have a lot of zigzags in it.
Vera
Vera
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Hi, Vera.
The fact that her illness is becoming more serious (hypertension, kidney
problems) would indicate that the correct remedy hasn't been found yet.
Also, although a remedy doesn't "sort out" a person's life, often when the
remedy is acting deeply, the person begins to shift his or her response to
stressful external situations -- not allow them to disturb in the same way,
have more resistence to their damaging aftereffects.
The development of the hypertension and whatever the kidney symptoms are
gives you more information on which to base a remedy choice.
Regards, Rosemary
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Re: treatment of patients going through constant emotional trauma
her habits are fairly good in terms of food etc., but she seems to have the worst of all worlds. She presents as a tough person and gets flak for that, but she's actually a pushover so doesn't get the benefit from being tough!
On the one hand I sometimes feel - what chance does a remedy have under these circumstances. On the other hand - apart from homeopathic treatment the patient doesn't have many options!
Vera
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While I certainly agree that it is worth considering a change in remedy, it is also worth considering the other components of this situation. Is she getting rest, good food, excercise, perhaps counsiling necessary to regain her balance and allow the first (perhaps well chosen) remedy to get back to working? I have seen clients who's repeated emotional trauma aggrivates already poor conditions. If they were previously living with poor habits (diet, excercise, rest, etc.) then during these times of trauma live on 'fast food' or those nasty casseroles everyone brings to your home in a tradegy, it is akin to sucking the water away from a tree in a drought. I'm watching a series of events unfold in a neighbors life - I just recently convinced her to add vegetables to her diet on a regular basis. Now her mother has died, relatives are squabling, her sister divorced moved in with her (with children), and she lost her job (all in the space of 2 or 3 months). She is back to
fast food, gets no rest, and looks terrible. Even if she was on a well chosen remedy - what chance would it have under those circumstances?
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On the one hand I sometimes feel - what chance does a remedy have under these circumstances. On the other hand - apart from homeopathic treatment the patient doesn't have many options!
Vera
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While I certainly agree that it is worth considering a change in remedy, it is also worth considering the other components of this situation. Is she getting rest, good food, excercise, perhaps counsiling necessary to regain her balance and allow the first (perhaps well chosen) remedy to get back to working? I have seen clients who's repeated emotional trauma aggrivates already poor conditions. If they were previously living with poor habits (diet, excercise, rest, etc.) then during these times of trauma live on 'fast food' or those nasty casseroles everyone brings to your home in a tradegy, it is akin to sucking the water away from a tree in a drought. I'm watching a series of events unfold in a neighbors life - I just recently convinced her to add vegetables to her diet on a regular basis. Now her mother has died, relatives are squabling, her sister divorced moved in with her (with children), and she lost her job (all in the space of 2 or 3 months). She is back to
fast food, gets no rest, and looks terrible. Even if she was on a well chosen remedy - what chance would it have under those circumstances?
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"Jim"..
She's going for therapy and counselling, does EFT, speaks to channelers, analyses herself and others - I'm not sure "talk therapy" is helping or just delaying the inevitable - she needs to leave her present situation and start afresh.
I think sometimes we run the risk of starting to believe we can solve our patients problems, and it's really not so.
Vera
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Vera-
This is certainly an obstacle to cure- sometimes the simillimum helps
a person to face the trials and tribulations of life with better
balance but sometimes counseling and psychotherapy would help. The
counseling / psychotherapy need not be even of the insight variety.
Plain ego-strengthening techniques ( psycho-vitamins) might help while
the remedy works out... Listening to some relaxation tapes etc. would
help too- mainly anything that would help the person to step away from
the mess and look at it with a different perspective....
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She's going for therapy and counselling, does EFT, speaks to channelers, analyses herself and others - I'm not sure "talk therapy" is helping or just delaying the inevitable - she needs to leave her present situation and start afresh.
I think sometimes we run the risk of starting to believe we can solve our patients problems, and it's really not so.
Vera
hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Vera-
This is certainly an obstacle to cure- sometimes the simillimum helps
a person to face the trials and tribulations of life with better
balance but sometimes counseling and psychotherapy would help. The
counseling / psychotherapy need not be even of the insight variety.
Plain ego-strengthening techniques ( psycho-vitamins) might help while
the remedy works out... Listening to some relaxation tapes etc. would
help too- mainly anything that would help the person to step away from
the mess and look at it with a different perspective....
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