At 07:47 AM 5/26/2006 -0400, you wrote:
Polio has NEVER been proven to be infectious. Most people don't realize this.
Joy posted this discussion from the lyghtforce list, so I'll catch you up
to speed
Was trying to show that many things thought to be infectious were found to
be toxic exposures or vitamin deficiency and many cases it was hard to get
the truth out there.
Polio is one of them.
And yes,vaccination is often about suppression and often about injecting an
illness and there is such a disturbance to the vital force (which is a
strong disease) and there the weaker disease (the actual acute illness)
cannot manifest.
You can't buy into all the stats about polio in India and elsewhere - could
be many things causing those symptoms. They make up the numbers in many
cases to make you fear and buy drugs and vaccine.
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At 10:17 AM 5/26/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Yes, much manipulation of numbers and people diagnosed rarely tested for
any virus
and then we have
Most who were diagnosed also had the vaccine as there are several strains
of virus and of course their agenda was that the viruses caused polio.
So they were vaccinated.
http://www.whale.to/v/vran2.html
"In 1983, via new legislation, DDT was allowed back into the U.S.
marketplace, but only in pesticide blends. Within only a few months of this
re-entry, a new kind of polio epidemic suddenly occurred. It was labeled
'post-polio,' the re-emergence of polio symptoms in former victims. This
has involved approximately 600,000 victims. Like most of the data on this
website, this correlation is not even a whisper in the mainstream media."
(11) Central nervous system diseases other than polio continue in the U.S.
and throughout the world: acute flaccid paralysis, chronic fatigue
syndrome, encephalitis, meningitis, muscular sclerosis. A paper entitled
"The Environmental Aspects Of The Post Polio Syndrome" explores the
correlation. (12)
(12) http://www.aehf.com/articles/A56.htm
ALTHOUGH they still write as if originally polio caused by a virus - no
recognition here that originally caused by those same toxins
http://www.aehf.com/articles/A56.htm
THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE POST POLIO SYNDROME
*W.J. Rea, M. D., F. A. C. S., A.R. Johnson, D. O., **E. Fenyves, Ph. D.,
J. Butler, Ph. D.
Introduction
The environmental aspects of health and disease are becoming much more
clearly defined. The adverse influences of environmental incitants on
wounded target organs have often been seen by people working in the area of
environmental medicine. Because of these observations a preliminary survey
of environmental influences on post polio patients who exhibited the post
polio syndrome was done.
SUMMARY
Seventeen post polio syndrome patients were studied with the environmental
control unit as the scientific basis for defining environmental triggering
agents. Fourteen patients improved after definition and elimination of such
triggering agents as molds, foods, formaldehyde, natural gas, etc.
Preliminary results suggest pain and weakness can be positively influenced
in these patients.>
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Yes, much manipulation of numbers and people diagnosed rarely tested for
any virus
and then we have
Most who were diagnosed also had the vaccine as there are several strains
of virus and of course their agenda was that the viruses caused polio.
So they were vaccinated.
http://www.whale.to/v/vran2.html
"In 1983, via new legislation, DDT was allowed back into the U.S.
marketplace, but only in pesticide blends. Within only a few months of this
re-entry, a new kind of polio epidemic suddenly occurred. It was labeled
'post-polio,' the re-emergence of polio symptoms in former victims. This
has involved approximately 600,000 victims. Like most of the data on this
website, this correlation is not even a whisper in the mainstream media."
(11) Central nervous system diseases other than polio continue in the U.S.
and throughout the world: acute flaccid paralysis, chronic fatigue
syndrome, encephalitis, meningitis, muscular sclerosis. A paper entitled
"The Environmental Aspects Of The Post Polio Syndrome" explores the
correlation. (12)
(12) http://www.aehf.com/articles/A56.htm
ALTHOUGH they still write as if originally polio caused by a virus - no
recognition here that originally caused by those same toxins
http://www.aehf.com/articles/A56.htm
THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE POST POLIO SYNDROME
*W.J. Rea, M. D., F. A. C. S., A.R. Johnson, D. O., **E. Fenyves, Ph. D.,
J. Butler, Ph. D.
Introduction
The environmental aspects of health and disease are becoming much more
clearly defined. The adverse influences of environmental incitants on
wounded target organs have often been seen by people working in the area of
environmental medicine. Because of these observations a preliminary survey
of environmental influences on post polio patients who exhibited the post
polio syndrome was done.
SUMMARY
Seventeen post polio syndrome patients were studied with the environmental
control unit as the scientific basis for defining environmental triggering
agents. Fourteen patients improved after definition and elimination of such
triggering agents as molds, foods, formaldehyde, natural gas, etc.
Preliminary results suggest pain and weakness can be positively influenced
in these patients.>
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Re: [H] Scurvy & Pellegra (some things thought to beinfectiousfoundto vitamin deficiencies)
At 04:46 PM 5/26/2006 -0500, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
I don't see it as that at all.
And were we there to know what that 'plague' was?
I don't know. I would suggest re-reading Richard's post. It is not that
simple and reductionistic.
Here's what I just posted on minutus.............
Nothing is evident. Polio being caused by a toxic environment, never
proven to be caused by a 'virus'.
To stand up and buck the system and sound the warning about them not being
the cause, brings the establishment down on you. Lots of money invested.
Look what happens here. People really love their belief systems. Don't
rock the boat. Its hard to think outside the box.
they are the result of disease, not the cause.
when you have something decaying in the road and flies come, flies aren't
the cause of the dead body, they are the result.
you have a stagnant pond and mosquitoes come, mosquitoes aren't the cause
of the stagnant pond, they are the result
Same thing
Richard Knapps' post.................
We are generally pretty arrogant in our estimation of our understanding
of things which, it turns out, are often way more complex than we are
usually comfortable with. It's so sweet and so very nice to have a
simple theory that explains everything. Can't blame us for trying
really but when the theory starts to do more damage than the disease,
it's time to re-evaluate.
It's time to step back and take in more of the view.
I think there are such things as infectious diseases. I'm not sure that
the microbes we detect in association with these diseases are the causes
of them. There may be as yet undetected (perhaps undetectable)
"pathogens" that are the true causes. (It may be an error to equate
miasms and microbes.) The microbes we can observe in the vicinity could
be an immune system response to the invisible pathogens (miasms) (thus
the suppressive effects of anti-microbial chemicals.) I know this is
hard to swallow - probably harder to prove - but it fits with what we
know about homeopathy. Things happen on a subtle, invisible level that
affect our health. The terrain is not just the visible terrain.
Sheri
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I don't see it as that at all.
And were we there to know what that 'plague' was?
I don't know. I would suggest re-reading Richard's post. It is not that
simple and reductionistic.
Here's what I just posted on minutus.............
Nothing is evident. Polio being caused by a toxic environment, never
proven to be caused by a 'virus'.
To stand up and buck the system and sound the warning about them not being
the cause, brings the establishment down on you. Lots of money invested.
Look what happens here. People really love their belief systems. Don't
rock the boat. Its hard to think outside the box.
they are the result of disease, not the cause.
when you have something decaying in the road and flies come, flies aren't
the cause of the dead body, they are the result.
you have a stagnant pond and mosquitoes come, mosquitoes aren't the cause
of the stagnant pond, they are the result
Same thing
Richard Knapps' post.................
We are generally pretty arrogant in our estimation of our understanding
of things which, it turns out, are often way more complex than we are
usually comfortable with. It's so sweet and so very nice to have a
simple theory that explains everything. Can't blame us for trying
really but when the theory starts to do more damage than the disease,
it's time to re-evaluate.
It's time to step back and take in more of the view.
I think there are such things as infectious diseases. I'm not sure that
the microbes we detect in association with these diseases are the causes
of them. There may be as yet undetected (perhaps undetectable)
"pathogens" that are the true causes. (It may be an error to equate
miasms and microbes.) The microbes we can observe in the vicinity could
be an immune system response to the invisible pathogens (miasms) (thus
the suppressive effects of anti-microbial chemicals.) I know this is
hard to swallow - probably harder to prove - but it fits with what we
know about homeopathy. Things happen on a subtle, invisible level that
affect our health. The terrain is not just the visible terrain.
Sheri
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Re: [H] Scurvy & Pellegra (some things thought to beinfectiousfoundto vitamin deficiencies)
At 05:49 AM 5/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Yes, the stagnant pond is the cause.
Mosquitos don't bite everyon.
Mosquito bites are not a problem in everyone
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Yes, the stagnant pond is the cause.
Mosquitos don't bite everyon.
Mosquito bites are not a problem in everyone
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At 09:53 AM 5/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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and
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We as homeopaths are not treating infections. We are treating the person,
working with the symptoms to find a remedy.
And how will that help us to find the right remedy/
We only need to look at the symptoms to find the remedy and the cure.
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We as homeopaths are not treating infections. We are treating the person,
working with the symptoms to find a remedy.
And how will that help us to find the right remedy/
We only need to look at the symptoms to find the remedy and the cure.
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At 12:37 PM 5/29/2006 -0000, you wrote:
Certainly but that has nothing to do with 'the so-called cause being a
bacteria or a virus'. Knowing the disease name is what will guide you to
knowing the rare and peculiar. That does not require buying into 'their'
cause for it.
See above.
I am not talking about knowing the 'disease' name
Of course and again, we are talking about bacteria or viruses 'causing' the
disease.
Not the disease name - something totally different
Pathology and disease names are very separate from what 'they' say the
cause it. It matters not.
Sheri
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Certainly but that has nothing to do with 'the so-called cause being a
bacteria or a virus'. Knowing the disease name is what will guide you to
knowing the rare and peculiar. That does not require buying into 'their'
cause for it.
See above.
I am not talking about knowing the 'disease' name
Of course and again, we are talking about bacteria or viruses 'causing' the
disease.
Not the disease name - something totally different
Pathology and disease names are very separate from what 'they' say the
cause it. It matters not.
Sheri
PS - I wish you would use a name and sign your posts
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At 12:39 PM 5/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Shannon
You don't agree with me.
Of course I agree with that. You just don't hear what I am saying.
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Shannon
You don't agree with me.
Of course I agree with that. You just don't hear what I am saying.
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At 12:39 PM 5/29/2006 -0500, you wrote:
This has nothing to do with the prognosis for pneumonia or meningitis
Pneumonia means inflammation of one or both lungs with consolidation.
Meningitis means inflammation of the meninges of the brain and the spinal cord
PERIOD - they are actually symptoms not a diagnosis or disease name
And are we allopaths? Just because they suppress, should we?
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This has nothing to do with the prognosis for pneumonia or meningitis
Pneumonia means inflammation of one or both lungs with consolidation.
Meningitis means inflammation of the meninges of the brain and the spinal cord
PERIOD - they are actually symptoms not a diagnosis or disease name
And are we allopaths? Just because they suppress, should we?
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see Joy's email below.
I have said it over and over.
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I have said it over and over.
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