I'm angry

[michele & Peter Graham]

This is the answer I got when I asked an MS patient of mine what was in the homeopathic remedy his kinesiologist had given him a for suspected copper excess.

"Heaps of things, i've only used it twice, its a spray,i'm supposed to use it up to 4-6 times a day.It contains:alumina6c,30 c ,aurum met 6c ,30 c, cadmium sulph,cobaltum met,cuprum met,iridium met,mercurius vivus,niccolum met,palladium met, platinum met, plumbum met, stannum met,tallurium met,uranium nitricum and vanadium met(all 6c ,30c)in an ethanol solution. i hope i havent stuffed things up! I think i should perhaps cut down on some of these "therapies"as i get conflicting info on many things such as diet.I always mention the homeopathy so she should have known better if this is a problem. Please advise . "

Doesn't something like this just rot your socks?

MIchele.
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[Joy Lucas]

I think the vanadium would definitely 'rot your socks' (it being a very
destructive rx) - but yes, this is really depressing to know this kind
of practice is happening - I'd be angry too Joy

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[Sheri Nakken]

At 09:22 PM 5/24/2006 +1000, you wrote:
the homeopathic remedy his kinesiologist had given him a for suspected
copper excess.
it up to 4-6 times a day.It contains:alumina6c,30 c ,aurum met 6c ,30 c,
cadmium sulph,cobaltum met,cuprum met,iridium met,mercurius vivus,niccolum
met,palladium met, platinum met, plumbum met, stannum met,tallurium
met,uranium nitricum and vanadium met(all 6c ,30c)in an ethanol solution. i
hope i havent stuffed things up! I think i should perhaps cut down on some
of these "therapies"as i get conflicting info on many things such as diet.I
always mention the homeopathy so she should have known better if this is a
problem. Please advise . "

Infuriating!
Here's one that was posted on another list yesterday
Mom was horrified by the alchohol. I wrote back about what really
horrified me..........she has an autistic child with gut issues............
Hi Guys
I have asked for the ingredients for this medicine from an homeopath
which will help with the healing of the gut of my boy. I notice
with horror that it has alcohol 25% in it. Is this a normal
presevative. Is it safe to be given?

Composition:
100 g contain: Oleum Carvi 455 mg, Oleum Chamomillae 455 mg,
Condurango 0 455 mg, Sarsaparilla 0 455 mg, Cholesterinum Dil. D2
910 mg, Mentholum Dil. Dl 116 mg, Oleum Anisi Dil. Dl 680 mg,
Carduus marianus 0 4.55 g, Foeniculum 0 4.55 g, Syzygium jambolanum
0 4.55 g, Pankreatinum Dil. Dl 9.10 g, excipient: Polysorbate 80.
Rhus toxicodendron Dil. D4 , Rhus toxicodendron Dil. D12 ,
Cantharis Dil. D6 , Croton tiglium Dil. D4 , Euphorbium Dil. D4 ,
Ranunculus bulbosus Dil. D2 , Arsenicum album Dil. D6 , Thuja Dil.
D4 , Urtica Dil. D3 .
Echinacea Purpurea, Trifolium pratense,Ferrum iodatum,Asdepias
tuberosa 3x, Isotonic plasma7x,Euphrasia officinalis, Lac. Vaccinum
6x, Thuja Occidentalis 6x,12x,30x,Arium Virus, Camphora,Calcarea
Arsenica,Icthyolum 12x, Vaccinum,Variolum, Misc
Influenzum,Vincetoxicum 12x,30x,60x, Heel Syzygium+Nux Vomica
Homaccord

This may be diluted with other medicines and diluents reducing the
quantities shown above when clinically indicated.

Contains 26% vol. alcohol as a preservative.

Contraindications: Hypersensitivity to poison-ivy plants. During
pregnancy Croton tiglium should not be given below D6. Allergy to
oleum anis and foeniculum.

Side-effects: No known side-effects. A mild homeopathic crisis may
occur after starting treatment. This can be minimised by reducing
intake as instructed.

Interactions: No known interactions.

Dosage and administration: As prescribed by your doctor. Follow the
instructions on the packaging or bottle.
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[Liz Lalor]

you have my sympathy, this happens with me with kinesiologists ALL the time,
can understand your anger!!!

[Caro]

What is a *kinesiologist*, anyway? And why do they prescribe homeopathic
remedies?
Argh.
Caro.
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[DCR]

Why single out kinesiologists? - I see it from 'homeopaths' too. I have a new client that just moved from UK to US and she was using several of these 'blends' from her 'qualified homeopath' in the UK. She was upset by my 'crude' and 'old fashioned' use of single remedies. There is an industry of producers of these 'blends' - they go to all the natural health trade shows and sell their stuff to MDs, dentists, massage therapists, herbalists, etc. They sell beautiful manuals, sponsor workshops, employ excellent sales staff, and push their materials very professionally - I think they use the mainline pharmaceutical model of business.

[Rochelle Marsden]

The only "homeopaths" in UK I have heard about that sort of prescribing from
are from those who trained abroad - often in Germany. Also the use of Dr R's
complex remedies from previously allopathic doctors or nurses who have
"trained" themselves in their use from the companies who supply them. They
don't tend to be members of the main homeopathic societies but of the
Complementary therapy societies although unfortunately this is not always
the case.

Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Similibooks]

Hi Michele,

Interesting, the possible connection here. I emailed Jan Scholten about
your Lilac - Syringa Vulgaris. A man of very few words as you know, it took
2 emails to get the following:

The remedy is available from Homeoden in Belgium. When you go to their
website, you'll discover that they have just been taken over by Heel -
makers of those lovely combos you've been discussing! (www.homeoden.be
Mind you, the homotoxicologists have reams of scientific papers on their
stuff which has some interesting stuff in it.)

As to whether there is any MM info on it, well, Jan's response below.

No.

I was hoping he might offer something from his forthcoming plant book, but
no luck. He did mention at his last seminar that he doesn't bother with
flower essences because he gets the same result with a homeopathic remedy.
Which suggests that the flower essence could give similar results to the
homeopathic remedy - a possibility?

Would love to hear how you go!

Best wishes, Elizabeth

[Shannon Nelson]

Re the complex "homeopathics"... Years back I was treated for a while
with some of the complexes, and I have to say I was happy with the
effects. It's an entirely different process from single remedy
prescribing, and I've heard that patients who've had extensive
treatment with these complexes can be difficult or impossible to do
classical prescribing for--but if may be that these complexes are more
of a problem for classical prescribers than they are for the patients.
I've heard other instances where there wasn't any problem taking a
patient from one method to the other--don't know if it depends on how
long they'd been treated, or other factors.
Shannon

[Nancy Siciliana]

Whatever they are, they're not the only ones prescribing these polypharmacy
combos.

I've encountered "nutritionists", "aromatherapists", "chiropractors",
"M.D.s", "naturopaths" and health food store stock clerks all "prescribing"
these things. One MD I know with a thriving practice in Toronto loves to
tell her patients to take remedies according to a "Lunar Schedule". Her
patients typically take 20 to 30 remedies plus a "constitutional" remedy,
several times a day for several weeks. The shopping list alone is enough to
make me anxious; the dosing schedule would drive anyone crazy (let alone the
fact that so many different remedies repeated so often for so long cannot do
anyone good in any way).

In fact, it infuriates me to know that this is actually what the public
thinks about when they think "homeopathy"...specifically, some brightly
coloured boxes with a big number on the label (UNDA, I'm talking to you!!)
or little boxes with names of diseases on the front, all containing bunches
and bunches of remedies chosen arbitrarily. Some of these "remedies" even
say they are based on the "German Homeopathic Pharmacopia".

Is there such a thing as a German Homeopathic Pharmacopia which features
polypharmacy combinations? It would have to be enormous to accomodate all
the potential combos in these patent remedies.

Nancy