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VR VR
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psoriasis case

Post by VR VR »

I've been treating a case of psoriasis on the scalp, which was moving ahead very nicely, until the patient got fired from her job. The remedy I was giving was Staph, and it seems to have stopped working - or at least gone down drastically in effectiveness - almost immediately with the firing. My first feeling was that the event is still solidly within the Staph picture, with a sense of humiliation and wounded honour, so I went up in potency but it hasn't helped. Clarification with the patient brought out that the main issue was a strong feeling of uncertainty - what should I do? should I stay in this town? move somewhere else? where will I find another job? This wasn't present before.
This seems to be pointing to another remedy - any ideas? There are no strong thermal, thirst, food etc. modalities (except for an aversion to cilantro), and the case seemed to fit a Staph or possibly Carc picture in its first presentation.
Regards,
Vera

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Re: psoriasis case

Post by Joy Lucas »

I would suggest that this is a new case, a new sx just like an injury
or an acute that just so happens to have occurred during chronic
treatment and as is often the case comes to the fore and takes over and
requires treatment in its own right (IF it needs treating that is). So
although a number of aspects of the case won't have changed such as
those you mention there is still a mini case with its own mini totality
to deal with, e.g. shock, anxiety, doubt etc and her reaction to this
and whether it has affected the psoriasis. But first you have to decide
that it needs treating or just let some time pass so that the case
settles and then re-evaluate. If it does need treating then you would
expect there to be enough prominent sx to work with.

Isn't it fascinating though that treatment of a chronic case that
requires Staph is 'interrupted' by a situation that would really really
test the constitution of one who needs Staph, i.e. getting fired! Best
wishes, Joy

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Re: psoriasis case

Post by AH »

on 5/2/06 1:43 PM, VR VR at vr_homeopathy@yahoo.com wrote:

((( Hi Vera,

This not intended to be didactic or insult your intelligence with the
obvious -- only an attempt to freshly examine what may be happening. The
below three premises are not the only possible models to inform and lead to
successful action. I am sure there are others. Best, A.

=================
1. NEW TRAUMA STRONGER THAN POTENCY

If the influence of her reaction to the firing is stronger than even the
higher potency of Staph given, the original blockage could have been renewed
to a new strength. That trauma (long or sudden) is what had triggered the
psoriasis originally. If it has been renewed it weakens the cells further
that are infected by the foreign vital force. Progress halts under the
influence of that renewed WOUND to the cellular subsystem afflicted by the
foreign vital force (miasmatic complex).

One way to view: the organic pathology (psoriasis) is a cellular breakdown
that is a result of miasmatic infection (foreign vital force inimical to the
human VF (cf para 148 sixth)) PLUS triggering cause. Triggering cause is
the impact of the events or early life treatment which caused breakdown in
the cells afflicted by that foreign vital force) = (in the midst of the case
as a whole -psoriasis).

If this situation is true, maybe trying a different potency scale (eg LM) if
not already will allow moving up "high" enough without concern of
consequence for the eruption by agg.

================
2. ADVANCE OF MIASMS NEEDS INTERCURRENT TO RETURN TO STAPH STATE
The trauma impacted the cellular subsystem and energetic basis for the staph
pattern in the case. It shifted the foreign vital forces energetically by
the strong energetic (emotional) impact -- and brought it out of staph
resonance thereby. In this situation an intercurrent of psorinum, sulphur,
etc (if the psoriasis is psoric in character) or other rx may return the
system (which is in state of advance of influence of foreign vital force? or
"shock" and thus relative chaos?) back into the previously stable state of
Staph resonance.

=================
3. LAYER OR SHIFT IN CASE
"the event is still solidly within the Staph picture, with a

However, that may be the previous state shining through a new "layer" -- or
a closely related state which is not staph, as you have suggested.

As you say Vera,

"Clarification with the patient brought out that the main issue was a
If the job "firing" has in fact "struck" elsewhere in the body/mind system,
it might have grafted a "layer" of traumatic wound on a different miasmatic
base. This base may overlap with Staph. Or it may be only obliquely
related to the pattern. The miasms underlying the Chief Complaint (CC)
organic disease (psoriasis) may thus be out of resonance with the staph
repeated.

VECTOR SUM CONCEPT OF THE OVERALL REMEDY
The successfully resonant overarching emulatioh of the *case that truly
needs resolution* is, to use mathematical analogy, like the vector sum of
the miasmatic distortions of the host Vital Force. The Vital force may
reside in the Belt Meridian and could represent the place where the vector
sum is present as a pattern. It may be where the disparate energies are
coalesced to define the human entity as a unit. In the nervous system, it
may express through the abdominal plexus, known 100 years ago as the
"Abdominal Brain" which is an autonomic second brain that has been
overshadowed in prominence.

In your case, the Staph state previously stable and extant (we posit based
on apparent progress in the case) represents this vector sum.

This sum of distortions is what we treat with the overarching remedy for
"the patient" (in Kent's parlance). A vector has magnitude and direction,
which has a resultant peculiar presentation in the language of Hahnemann's
semiology. The sum of all the findable vectors (semiological indicators) is
the resultant form of the totality. In a coherent, untampered case, this
will express as one primary thread or concept which helps make a
prescription positable on logic of correlation of semiology of patient to
that known in a remedy or remedies.

The sum of dominant foreign vital force being expressed through the patient
vital force is that vector sum which hinges on peculiars or a characteristic
pattern of them. We catch a glimpse of some of these, hopefully enough for a
complete totality to prescribe on in the moment. The foreign vital force
distorts the function of cells into the observed overall state. In this
case of psoriasis, those cells are disrupted by the inimical foreign vital
force to the degree that it affects their reproduction and organic products.

NEW VECTOR SUM
A NEW vector sum of miasmatic distortions would provide a new HEGEMONY on
the state of the overall person. If this instance was true, repetition of
staph would find no resonance with the miasmatic base and thought form
"wound" of the new traumatic layer. If we can find a new overarching
remedy for the patient as a whole then we can proceed with improvement of
the case.

DISSIMILARITY
If the trauma has aggravated the foreign vital force bodies present such as
the psoriasis complex has been made dissimilar to the remedy for the
"patient", then the psoriasis will need to be treated as a separate disease
on its own characteristics if success is to be had. The psoriasis may
already be dissimilar to any remedy for the whole patient that is
expediently findable -- for complete cure. Making this determination is
difficult without using the patient as a guinea pig, unless we use an
independent confirmatory of some type.

"Dissimilar" only means that no remedy can be found in the materia medica
that corresponds to the overall case, and the unique but separate complaint
(subtotality) must be treated as a wholism within the case. Just as we can
characterize the wholism of a patient, we can do so with the wholism of a
"disease" entity within the patient. This was not emphasized by Kent, who
led homeopaths into the era of modern psychological archetypes. This was a
major achievement, but Kent provided in parallel no systematic method for
individualization of dissimilar wholisms within the patient. In the "west",
our mastering of use of such remedies, typically in situations of organic
pathology -- are in infancy compared with for example India. There where
homeopathy is practiced by some 225,000 medical doctors and hundreds of
thousands of others, and has been unbroken since 1850. In India, there is
far more access to cases of organic pathology and dissimilar wholisms than
where pharmaceuticals are dispensed routinely and usually in cases of severe
tissue breakdown.

A new "layer" or shift could be either quite different, or only moderately
different.

Some premises to consider:

=======================
*3A NEW LAYER OR SHIFT THAT IS "OBLIQUE"

Examples in this case could conceivably be:
IGNATIA
MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception; new (1) :
MIND; AILMENTS from; position, job, loss of

and attributes of the loss which are encompassed by this reaction and its
emulation in Ignatia -- as if the job was a heartfelt possession and its
loss evoked grief, sighing, sobbing or the like.

or for example:

MIND; AILMENTS from; surprises (5) : coff., gels., merc., op., verat.
where the unexpectedness was dominant.

These remedies are related but quite dissimilar (oblique) to Staph.

=======================
*3b NEW LAYER OR SHIFT THAT IS "COMPLEMENTARY"
Perhaps more likely, the new shift in the case could correspond to one of
the empirically recognized "complements" of Staph (eg. Caust, Coloc, Staph
are a triad in that order, therefore Caust might be indicated next. Another
tip from empiricism of the literature is that Carc may be the next remedy
for the patient when Staph is indicated but does not act; (etc see Rehman's
"Relationships of Remedies").

The complementary shift would be a coherent shift to a state overlapping
significantly with the miasmatic base of the CC. The shift is due to the
new wound which acutely impacts enough to disturb the miasmatic disposition
so as to modify it only somewhat. The common "circuitry" of the meridian
system of the human will make certain shifts more likely and common --
leading to what we call a "complement".

Caust for example shares this with Staph among other traits that may be
involved in this firing from a job:
MIND; AILMENTS from; bad news
MIND; AILMENTS from; business; cares
MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin
MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception
MIND; INJUSTICE, cannot tolerate

Coloc for example is also well known over the last 200 years be a close
companion of the staph state in some cases as we are aware and has the
following (among other sx) in common with Staph. that may come to bear in
the shift to a complementary state:

MIND; AILMENTS from; business; cares
MIND; AILMENTS from; bad news
MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception
MIND; AILMENTS from; embarrassment; physical symptoms from (7) : coloc.,
dys-co., op., ph-ac., plat., sep., staph.
MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin; indignation, with
(2) : coloc., STAPH.
MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin; anger, during (1)
: COLOC.
MIND; INJUSTICE, cannot tolerate

Carc has much in its pattern overlapping with Staph as well. Perhaps
"should I stay in this town? move somewhere else?" could be a clue to the
peripatetic nature of Carcinosin (TRAVEL, desire to) (?) (--speculation, but
ours is a subtle art based on such hints...). You sensed that Carc could be
the next rx...

The timeworn complementary remedy may be applicable if we see even just
hints of typical Caust, Coloc, or Carc keynotes (see Rehman book for
specific related remedies by complaint)...

Causticum (George Guess MD keynotes, not exhaustive)
-----------------------------------------------
Paralysis of single parts. Slow paralysis (R side).
Twitch, cramps, chorea (from fright).
Neurologic disease from cold, dry wind.
Drooping eyelids. Warts (face, near nails).
Cough > cold drinks, w/ incontinence, w/ rawness.
Difficult expectoration - must swallow.
Tenacious mucous larynx, scraping. Hoarse bending double, hard pressure; must bend double, >
lying on abdomen (> heat).
Restlessness w/ the pain.
R neuralgia (facial, sciatica): cramping > pressure >heat, coffee.
Frequent urging to void (viscid urine).

Carcinocin (George Guess MD keynotes, not exhaustive)
-----------------------------------------------
Strong, passionate, intense. A sense of being unfulfilled which drives
him to work excessively, push limits, or live dangerously. There is a
restlessness and a desire for travel and excitement.
Often a history of great suppression and abuse during childhood. Strong
family bonds; rebellious.
Children are sensitive, sympathetic, open and easily wounded and
suppressed. Tremendously sensitive to criticism and reprimand.
In adolescence there may be strong sexual instincts and passions.
Amelioration at the sea.
Past history of cancer or family history of cancer or diabetes.
Aggravation in the afternoon from 1 to 6 PM or especially at 5 to 6 PM.
Amelioration in the evening.
Periodicity.
General amelioration from short naps.
Illness develops at the time of puberty.
Frequent colds and acute illness.
Aggravation since mononucleosis or pertussis

=======================
RULING OUT premise 2a (the OBLIQUE new layer) BY INQUIRY
We could seek the resonance of a possible new miasmatically OBLIQUE layer as
in 2a above by examining closely what it was that was actually impacted by
the "firing" from the job. By even more detailed inquiry it could reveal
something different that has overwhelmed the organism in a different way
than what is resonant with Staph per se or one of its complements (eg
"uncertainty"=FEAR (of what)? financial panic, frank loss of relationships,
pure shock, etc).... e.g. How does the pt FEEL that might be of different
character...). If we find nothing oblique, but Staph does not work in
repetition and potency is sufficiently altered, then a complement or
intercurrent becomes likely as the next resonant emulation.

==============
Ideas for possible departures (oblique or complementary) to Staph in this
case -- that could come out of patient incisive inquiry...

*rubrics from complete 2000 edition -- current RU or Complete and Synth will
have more rx
PURE SHOCK-- prob aconite thought of first, but many rx (op, etc).
REP 2000

MIND; AILMENTS from; position, job, loss of (5) : ign., nux-v., pers.,
plat., staph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; bad news (64) : acon., aln., alumn., ambr., apis, arn.,
ars., art-v., aur., aur-m., bapt., bry., Calc., calc-p., calc-s., carc.,
caust., cham., chin., cic., cinnb., cocc., colch., coloc., cupr., dig.,
dros., form., GELS., grat., hist., hyos., ign., kali-c., kali-p., kola.,
lac-v., lach., lyc., lyss., manc., med., mez., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p.,
nit-ac., nux-v., paeon., pall., ph-ac., phos., podo., puls., querc-r.,
sabin., sep., sil., staph., stram., sulph., tarent., teucr., zinc.

MIND; AILMENTS from; surprises (5) : coff., gels., merc., op., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; shame (7) : aur., bar-s., falco-p., ign., nat-m., Op.,
staph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; business; cares (13) : ambr., calc., caust., coca,
kali-br., kali-p., nux-v., ph-ac., puls., rhus-t., sep., sulph., zinc-p.
MIND; AILMENTS from; business; failure (16) : ambr., aur., calc., cimic.,
coloc., hyos., ign., kali-br., nat-m., nux-v., ph-ac., puls., rhus-t., sep.,
sulph., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; honor, wounded (13) : aur., bamb-a., carc., cham.,
ign., kola., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., pall., plat., staph., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; ambition; deceived (7) : bell., merc., mosch., nux-v.,
plat., puls., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; financial loss (15) : arn., ars., aur., calc., corv-c.,
ign., mangi., mez., nat-m., nux-v., puls., rhus-t., sars., stann., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; fortune, reversal of (6) : ambr., con., dig., lach.,
stann., staph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; insults, offenses; dignified to fight, too, subdued
wrath, went home sick, trembling, exhausted (1) : staph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; insults, offenses (16) : ang., calc., cham., cocc.,
dros., glon., gran., ign., merc., nat-m., nit-ac., op., seneg., staph.,
stram., sulph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin (66) : acon., aloe,
alum., am-m., ambr., anac., apoc., arg-n., ars., aur., aur-m., bar-s.,
bell., bry., calc., camph., carb-an., carb-v., caust., Cham., chin.,
chin-b., cocc., COLOC., con., cur., cycl., falco-p., form., gels., graph.,
grat., haliae-lc., Ign., ip., lach., Lyc., lyss., m-p-a., mand., merc.,
mur-ac., Nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., op., Pall., petr., Ph-ac., phel., phos.,
plat., puls., ran-b., rham-p., rhod., rhus-t., schran-u., seneg., sep.,
sil., STAPH., stram., sulph., verat., zinc.

MIND; AILMENTS from; literary, scientific failure (6) : calc., ign., lyc.,
nux-v., puls., sulph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception (33) : acon., alum., apis,
ars., Aur., bar-s., bry., caps., carb-v., carc., caust., cham., cocc.,
colch., coloc., dig., gels., grat., hyos., IGN., lach., Lyc., merc., Nat-m.,
nux-v., op., Ph-ac., phos., plat., Puls., sep., STAPH., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception; new (1) : IGN.

MIND; AILMENTS from; embarrassment; physical symptoms from (7) : coloc.,
dys-co., op., ph-ac., plat., sep., staph.
MIND; AILMENTS from; embarrassment; mental symptoms from (13) : ambr.,
bar-c., coloc., dys-co., gels., ign., kali-br., op., ph-ac., plat., sep.,
staph., Sulph.

MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception; new (1) : IGN.
MIND; AILMENTS from; disappointment, deception (33) : acon., alum., apis,
ars., Aur., bar-s., bry., caps., carb-v., carc., caust., cham., cocc.,
colch., coloc., dig., gels., grat., hyos., IGN., lach., Lyc., merc., Nat-m.,
nux-v., op., Ph-ac., phos., plat., Puls., sep., STAPH., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; honor, wounded (13) : aur., bamb-a., carc., cham.,
ign., kola., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., pall., plat., staph., verat.
MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin; indignation, with
(2) : coloc., STAPH.

MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin; anger, during (1)
: COLOC.

MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin; emotional or
mental ailments from (21) : anac., apoc., aur., bell., coloc., con., cur.,
ign., lach., lyc., lyss., nat-m., nux-v., pall., plat., puls., ran-b.,
rhod., staph., verat., zinc.

MIND; AILMENTS from; mortification, humiliation, chagrin (66) : acon., aloe,
alum., am-m., ambr., anac., apoc., arg-n., ars., aur., aur-m., bar-s.,
bell., bry., calc., camph., carb-an., carb-v., caust., Cham., chin.,
chin-b., cocc., COLOC., con., cur., cycl., falco-p., form., gels., graph.,
grat., haliae-lc., Ign., ip., lach., Lyc., lyss., m-p-a., mand., merc.,
mur-ac., Nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., op., Pall., petr., Ph-ac., phel., phos.,
plat., puls., ran-b., rham-p., rhod., rhus-t., schran-u., seneg., sep.,
sil., STAPH., stram., sulph., verat., zinc.

MIND; AILMENTS from; insults, offenses; dignified to fight, too, subdued
wrath, went home sick, trembling, exhausted (1) : staph.
MIND; AILMENTS from; punishment (12) : agar., ambr., con., dam., dig., ign.,
lach., nat-m., stann., staph., tarent., thuj.
MIND; AILMENTS from; rage, fury (3) : apis, arn., seq-s.

MIND; AILMENTS from; scorn, being scorned; looked down upon by everyone,
feels he is (1) : lac-c.
MIND; AILMENTS from; scorn, being scorned (27) : acon., adam., alum., aur.,
bell., Bry., Cham., coff., coloc., falco-p., ferr., hyos., ip., lac-c.,
lyc., nat-m., Nux-v., olnd., par., phos., plat., rhod., sep., staph.,
stront-c., sulph., verat.

MIND; AILMENTS from; rage, fury (3) : apis, arn., seq-s.

---------
searches below unsorted and have much spurious.

(pecuniary/financial/money [sen] loss)/bankruptcy: aids, alum., am-f.209,
ambr., arn.223, 3Ars.8, ars-met.209, aur.223, aur-ar., bar-c.209, bar-f.209,
bism-met.209, bry.214, calc.30, calc-f.223, calc-sil.214, chin-ar., con.,
corv-c., dig., echi., fic-i., fl.209, fl-ac.209, ign.156, kali-ar.209,
kali-br.160, kali-c., kali-i., kali-p.171, lac-lup.204, lith-f.209,
lyc.1101, mag-f.188, malar.77, mangi., merc., mez., nat-ar.209, nat-c.,
nat-m., nux-v., oci-s.214, ol-suc.15, phos., plb.38, psor., puls., rad-br.,
ratt-n.204, rhus-t., sars.8, sep., stann.30, staph.214, tell.209, ther.231,
thres-a., thuj., verat.219
(employment/job [sen] loss)/fired [sen] job/employment: acon.3020, alco.10,
allox.188, alum., ant.209, arn., ars.3020, ars-met.209, atro., aur-s.,
bar-c.209, bar-f.209, brom.209, calc-f.214, cann-i.108, carc., chlor.209,
cinnb.209, cob., coca-c.214, cod., coloc.6020, croto-t., cycl., dig.,
falco-p., ferr., foll., gent-a.1202, germ.209, glon.117, helon.25, hipp.,
ign., iod.209, kali-ar.209, kali-br.209, kali-c., kali-i.209, kreos.,
lob-e., lyss., 3Mag-f.188, mand.231, mang-m.209, morph-s., nat-ar.209,
nux-v., oxal.232, pers., plat., puls., sel.209, sep., staph., stront-c.,
tab.38, visc.


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Re: psoriasis case

Post by VR VR »

Hi Andy,
Thanks very much for the analysis - it's really interesting. Your and Joy's comments helped me realize that there are two choices here at present - apart from the possibility of going up in scale with Staph - she's on LM3 at present, so I have a lot of scope and can work more with dilution and succussion.
1. see this as a "mini-case", as an interruption of the chronic, brought about by external circumstances. On thinking more about the situation, I realized the insecurity and particularly the uncertainty about what to do next is something fairly alien to this patient. There have not been that many uncertainties so far, it's not something she's had to deal with that much. This would mean putting aside the usual reactions to being fired - mortification et al - and focussing on her reported sensation, that of uncertainty as to the future, the next step. Ignatia has been suggested here.
2. see the situation as calling for an "overarching" remedy, possibly in the direction of carc, which would include the previous emotion picture and the current one.
The deterioration has been going on since the beginning of April, and during April she has moved from LM1 to LM2 and finally LM3 with no significant improvement. I don't think placebo would make a difference at this stage, and however much I'd like to wait it out and stay with the Staph that helped, there wasn't even the slightest shift with the potency changes, absolutely nothing to indicate that the improvement was on course again, so it does seem a different remedy is called for at this time.
Thanks and regards,
Vera

AH wrote:
on 5/2/06 1:43 PM, VR VR at vr_homeopathy@yahoo.com wrote:

((( Hi Vera,

This not intended to be didactic or insult your intelligence with the
obvious -- only an attempt to freshly examine what may be happening. The
below three premises are not the only possible models to inform and lead to
successful action. I am sure there are others. Best, A.

=================
1. NEW TRAUMA STRONGER THAN POTENCY

If the influence of her reaction to the firing is stronger than even the
higher potency of Staph given, the original blockage could have been renewed
to a new strength. That trauma (long or sudden) is what had triggered the
psoriasis originally. If it has been renewed it weakens the cells further
that are infected by the foreign vital force. Progress halts under the
influence of that renewed WOUND to the cellular subsystem afflicted by the
foreign vital force (miasmatic complex).

One way to view: the organic pathology (psoriasis) is a cellular breakdown
that is a result of miasmatic infection (foreign vital force inimical to the
human VF (cf para 148 sixth)) PLUS triggering cause. Triggering cause is
the impact of the events or early life treatment which caused breakdown in
the cells afflicted by that foreign vital force) = (in the midst of the case
as a whole -psoriasis).

If this situation is true, maybe trying a different potency scale (eg LM) if
not already will allow moving up "high" enough without concern of
consequence for the eruption by agg.

================
2. ADVANCE OF MIASMS NEEDS INTERCURRENT TO RETURN TO STAPH STATE
The trauma impacted the cellular subsystem and energetic basis for the staph
pattern in the case. It shifted the foreign vital forces energetically by
the strong energetic (emotional) impact -- and brought it out of staph
resonance thereby. In this situation an intercurrent of psorinum, sulphur,
etc (if the psoriasis is psoric in character) or other rx may return the
system (which is in state of advance of influence of foreign vital force? or
"shock" and thus relative chaos?) back into the previously stable state of
Staph resonance.

=================
3. LAYER OR SHIFT IN CASE
"the event is still solidly within the Staph picture, with a

However, that may be the previous state shining through a new "layer" -- or
a closely related state which is not staph, as you have suggested.

As you say Vera,

"Clarification with the patient brought out that the main issue was a

(snip)
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Re: psoriasis case

Post by AH »

on 5/3/06 1:14 PM, VR VR at vr_homeopathy@yahoo.com wrote:
((( Thanks, Vera, your post inspired it, wrote more than expected I would.
Glad you find it un peu interressant and maybe helpful.

Your and Joy's

((( What specific rationale would indicate Ign for uncertainty (not at all
disputing it -- would be interested in why Ignatia for uncertainty per
se...). One could make a rationale due to the ignatia gestalt here
involving the loss of job (it is in the rubric after all...) Ignatia is
indeed a fearful remedy, agg by emotions...

Fear: general. {0> 22> 474} [1]
Fear: morning. {5> 25> 0} [5]
Fear: night. {24> 63> 0}
Fear: midnight: after. {0> 5> 0}
Fear: diarrhea: from. {4> 2> 0} [54]
Fear: diarrhea: with. {5> 8> 0} [54]
FEAR: GRIEF: BEFORE. {0> 1> 0} [54]
Fear: home, away from. {0> 2> 0} [162]
Fear: mania, in. {1> 5> 0} [54]
Fear: mania, in: fright, after. {0> 3> 0} [54]
FEAR: MENSES: DURING. {0> 1> 22} [162]
Fear: noise, from. {13> 42> 0} [102]
Fear: pregnancy, during. {7> 7> 0} [54]
FEAR: PUNISHMENT, AFTER, IN CHILDREN, IF BROUGHT TO BED TOO SOON GET
CONVULSIONS IN SLEEP. {0> 1> 0} [54]
FEAR: SPEAK, CANNOT. {0> 1> 0} [54]
FEAR: TACITURN, AFTER. {0> 1> 0} [54]
Fear: trifles, from. {5> 10> 0}
Fear: constant. {1> 4> 0} [58]
Fear: tremulous. {11> 29> 0} [172]
Fear: animals, of. {4> 52> 0} [162]
Fear: animals, of: birds, of. {1> 8> 0} [162]
Fear: animals, of: chickens, of. {0> 2> 0} [187]
Fear: animals, of: snakes, of. {1> 18> 0} [187]
Fear: approaching: others, of. {1> 8> 33}
Fear: approaching: others, of: children cannot bear to have anyone come near
them. {2> 9> 0} [172]
FEAR: APPROACHING: OBJECTS. {0> 1> 0} [1]
Fear: cancer, of. {8> 22> 0} [162]
Fear: death, of. {53> 127> 0}
Fear: death, of: convulsions, during. {0> 30> 0} [81]
Fear: death, of: sleep: during. {0> 2> 0} [193]
Fear: death, of: waking, on. {1> 3> 0} [162]
FEAR: DEATH, OF: WAKING, ON: AFTERNOON SLEEP, FROM AN. {0> 1> 0} [162]
Fear: disease, of: impending. {20> 73> 0}
Fear: disease, of: impending: contagious, epidemic, infection. {3> 18> 0}
[186]
Fear: disease, of: impending: contagious, epidemic, infection: children, in.
{4> 7> 0} [186]
FEAR: DISEASE, OF: IMPENDING: TREMBLING FROM THE IDEA. {0> 1> 0} [172]
Fear: disease, of: incurable, of being. {1> 51> 0} [5]
Fear: going out, of. {0> 6> 0} [127]
Fear: going out, of: alone. {0> 3> 0} [127]
Fear: happen: something will. {20> 93> 0} [54]
Fear: happen: something will: terrible, horrible. {1> 5> 16} [54]
Fear: insanity, of losing his reason. {27> 74> 0} [54]
Fear: insanity, of losing his reason: fright, after. {0> 2> 0} [54]
Fear: men, of. {3> 10> 0}
Fear: misfortune, of. {17> 87> 0} [8]
Fear: narrow place, in, claustrophobia. {2> 8> 35} [162]
Fear: people, of, anthropophobia. {23> 69> 0}
Fear: physician, will not see the, he seems to terrify her. {4> 11> 0} [162]
Fear: poisoned: being. {8> 21> 0} [30]
Fear: position, to lose his lucrative. {0> 8> 0} [30]
Fear: prolapse, of: anus. {0> 2> 0} [172]
Fear: raids, of air. {0> 5> 0} [172]
Fear: robbers, of. {1> 8> 21} [1]
Fear: robbers, of: night. {0> 3> 0} [1]
FEAR: ROBBERS, OF: MIDNIGHT, ON WAKING. {0> 1> 3}
Fear: robbers, of: waking, on. {0> 4> 0} [1]
FEAR: SLEEP: HE WILL NEVER AGAIN. {0> 1> 0}
Fear: stomach ulcer, of. {0> 3> 0}
Fear: struck by those coming toward him, of being. {1> 7> 0} [36]
Fear: touch, of. {13> 29> 0} [137]
FEARLESSNESS. {0> 1> 22} [8]
((( Interesting :-) that you mention sac-lac, since the actual remedy
sac-alb has:

MIND; FEAR; general; unknown, of the (5) : ars., aur., med., morg., sac-alb.

Psoriasis present in the first three of the above.

Sac alb is a known complement of Carcinosin, and thus somewhat similar to
Staph. Not suggesting that is her state now, just mentioning. It is
probably not, these are sugar-holics, and love-starved types.

Sugar is not listed for psoriasis if we aspire to overarch and look for
grounds there...

==================
Elimination (not the ultimate method but can be helpful)

Psoriasis [sen] scalp or head (27) : agar., Aran-ix., ars., ars-i., bar-c.,
berb-a., betul., calc., clem., Graph., guai., hyos., iris, lob., merc.,
mez., nit-ac., Olnd., petr., phos., pitu-a., puls., rhus-t., sapin., staph.,
Stel., sulph.

MIND; FEAR; general; unknown, of the (5) : ars., aur., med., morg., sac-alb.

MIND; ANXIETY; future, about (K7, SRI-78, G6): acon., adam., aeth., agar.,
allox., alum., alum-p., aml-n., anac., anan., ant-c., ant-t., arg-n.,
arist-cl., arn., ars., aster., aur., bamb-a., bar-c., bar-m., bar-s.,
bros-g., Bry., bufo, buth-aust., calad., Calc., calc-acet., calc-ar.,
calc-f., calc-s., carb-an., carb-v., carbn-s., cassi-s., caust., cham.,
chel., chin., Chin-s., choc., Cic., cimic., clem., cocc., coff., con.,
cupr., curc., cycl., dig., dirc., dros., dulc., euph., euphr., falco-p.,
ferr., ferr-acet., ferr-c., ferr-p., fl-ac., gels., germ., gins., graph.,
grat., hep., hipp., hura, iod., kali-br., kali-c., kali-m., kali-p., kalm.,
kola., lac-leo., lach., lar-ar., laur., lil-t., lyc., m-arct., mag-c.,
mang., mant-r., meny., merc., mur-ac., nat-acet., nat-ar., nat-c., nat-m.,
nat-p., nat-s., nit-ac., nux-v., op., ozone, parth., petr., ph-ac., Phos.,
plat., psor., puls., querc-r., ran-b., rhus-t., sabin., scroph-n., sep.,
sil., sol-t-ae., spig., Spong., stann., staph., stram., sul-ac., sulph.,
tab., tarent., thuj., tub., verat., vichy-g., vichy-h., viol-t., wies., xan.

Elimination: agar., ars., bar-c., Calc., clem., Graph., merc., nit-ac.,
petr., Phos., puls., rhus-t., staph., sulph.

=====================
When we prescribe on the mind symptoms we cannot always try to encompass the
ultimated pathology. The "Kentian" goal is a remedy for the "patient" and
the "disease" as a vector sum. From the horse's mouth:
----
"...The difficulty in prescribing for patients with such altered tissue -
cataract, hepatization (in pneumonia), induration of glands,
arterio-sclerosis, fibroids, cancer, etc. - rests in the fact that when
these tissue-changes occur, the symptoms on which a prescription should be
based - the symptoms of the patient - have disappeared. The symptoms
present at the time are symptoms of the pathology. If the symptoms
that preceded this condition can be learned, and considered together with
the later results of disorder - the pathological tissue - it may be possible
to select a remedy that is sufficiently related to both the patient and his
pathology, to effect a cure of both, provided always that the reaction
and vitality of the patient are sufficient to permit the resolution. "
J. T. Kent The Homoeopathician, Journal for Pure Homoeopathy, No. 2, August
1912.
----

This article is four years from his death -- and in it Kent does not discuss
finding a separate remedy for the totality of the wholism of the pathology.
This would indicate he is an adherent of only the overarching approach.
Many would argue (in the ongoing discussion that frequently occupies this
discussion board) that Kent's tendency to put all his eggs in one basket is
a departure from Hering, Boenninghausen, and Hahnemann himself. It
certainly is only ONE method of choosing a totality on which to prescribe.
Count Boenninghausen's hexameter, and Paragraph 153 attest to that. David
Little expounds eloquently about this in literature on his website.

Sometimes we must approach the pathology first, then the remedy of Kent's
"patient" "returns" or becomes known. This is a second approach which
breaks the case down into components: as yet dissimilar disease for which an
overarching remedy which includes the "patient" cannot yet be found; and
the "patient" (mind symptoms, thread of delusion, sensation etc).

An overarching rx is for the sum of miasmatic distortions, not aimed
directly at the miasms of the psoriasis wholism in particular. Both
overarching -- (and direct methods of which we weaned by Kent, Vithoulkas,
Sankaran, etc are much less accustomed) are potentially contributory to
eventual cure of the psorasis.

Mixing the ongoing states of the patient as a whole with addressing the
organic pathology is our usual (and Kentian) method. But in some cases
where the dominant miasm underlying the organic pathology is stubborn
regardless of the rx that is findable for the "patient" we may need to treat
the miasmatic basis for the psoriasis as a wholism on its own to decrease
its virulence. This may bring out the picture for the eventual lasting cure
-- by one remedy of the sum of the distortions of the whole pt -- made
known by diminishing the dominant miasmatic component relating to the
psoriasis itself.

What we can conclude in some cases is that a successful "lesional" remedy
for the psoriasis IS/WAS the overarching rx on the surface of the case,
whether we regarded it as such or not when we prescribed it. A remedy we
know less about in data can be overarching even if it seems to be focussed
and small totality -- only because we have little of the "rest of the
picture" of the remedy in spheres beside the pathology on which to base the
prescrip.

Other times, it is simply the rx for the pathology, without inclusion of rx
for "the patient". This is the case with Dr. Ramakrishnan's approach to
pathological prescribing, Eizayaga's approach, Somenath's research,
Chappell's remedies -- prescribing for advanced pathologies in general.
These are approaches aimed at the wholism of the totality of the pathology
within the pt which is what needs urgent attention -- when no overarching
remedy is expedient or certain.

Naturally being aware of approaching the case like this does not mean to
overlook seeking the overarching remedy first and ongoing. Eventually it
can be found, but it may take longer than the patient hangs around unless
the urgent complaints are dealt with. As J.T. said, if that overarching
remedy can be found, it is a boon. If it cannot be, however, we need to know
how to cure the case another way.

===============
More toward that first step of seeking a true overarching simillimum,

Fear [sen] uncertainty/unknown/future: acon.8, agar.5, aids, aloe, alum.5,
alum-p.209, am-caust.209, am-f.209, 3Anac.5, anan.26, ant-c.5, ant-t.5,
aq-chal., arg-n.209, arist-cl.223, arn.5, ars.1102, asp-b.221, aur.,
bar-c.5, bar-i.209, bar-p., benz-ac.188, benz-p., beryl.209, beryl-m.209,
bor., bor-met.209, 2bry.5, bufo219, buth-aust.223, calad.5, 3Calc.1,
calc-f.149, calc-l.209, calc-met.209, calc-sil.209, carc.196, caust.5,
chel.5, chin.5, chin-s.5, choc.214, chr.209, cic.5, cocc.8, coch., con.30,
crot-c.214, croto-t.2061, cupr.5, cupr-acet.209, cupr-f.209, cupr-m.209,
cupr-p.209, cycl.5, 2dig.5, dros.5, dulc.1, dys-co.223, euphr.5, fagu-p.,
ferr-n.209, fl.209, fl-ac.209, form-ac.77, fum.188, fumar-ac.232, gels.1101,
gins.36, graph.5, grat.58, hep.30, hydrog.209, kali-bi.38, kali-c.223,
kali-i.231, kali-p.223, kola.1184, lac-leo.204, lap-laz., lap-stoneh.,
lith.209, lith-c.209, lith-f.209, lith-i.209, lith-m.209, lith-p.209,
lith-s.209, lsd, lyc., mag-c.1057, mag-n.209, mang-i.209, mang-met.209,
mang-n.209, med., merc-i-f.209, moly.209, morg.36, mur-ac.5, murx., myrrh.,
nat.209, nat-ar.209, nat-br.209, nat-c.5, nat-caust.209, nat-f.209,
nat-l.209, nat-m.5, nat-n., nat-p., nat-sil.209, nitro.209, nux-v.5,
oro-ac.232, oxyg.209, ozone227, pall.209, petr.5, ph-ac.5, phos.5, plat.209,
pop.221, psor.5, puls.5, rad-br., ran-b.5, ratt-r.215, rhus-t.5, sabad.,
sac-alb.188, scroph-n.36, scut., sep.30, sil.209, spig.5, spong.8, stann.5,
staph.5, stram.214, stront.209, 2sul-ac., sul-i.58, sulph.5, supren.232,
tant.209, taosc., tarent.155, thuj.5, titan.209, tub., zinc-i.209,
zinc-n.209, zinc-p.209

crossed with:

SKIN; ERUPTIONS; psoriasis (109) : alum., am-c., ambr., ant-t., aran-ix.,
ars., Ars-i., ars-s-f., ars-s-r., asaf., aster., aur., aur-ar., aur-m-n.,
berb-a., bor., bry., bufo, calc., calc-s., canth., carb-ac., carc.,
cast-eq., chin., chrysar., cic., clem., cor-r., cortiso., cupr., cupr-acet.,
des-ac., dulc., dys-co., elae., emetin., falco-p., ferr., ferr-ar., fl-ac.,
form., form-ac., graph., hep., hydrc., ichth., iod., iris, kali-ar.,
kali-bi., kali-br., kali-c., kali-p., kali-s., lac-c., led., lob., Lyc.,
mag-c., mang., mangi., med., merc., merc-aur., merc-c., merc-i-r.,
merc-k-i., mez., Morg-g., mur-ac., naphtin., nat-ar., nat-m., nit-ac.,
nit-m-ac., nuph., olnd., petr., ph-ac., phos., Phyt., plat., psor., puls.,
rad-br., ran-b., rhus-t., rumx., sarcol-ac., saroth., sarr., sars., Sep.,
sil., Staph., stel., stry-ar., stry-p., sul-i., sulph., tell., ter., teucr.,
thuj., Thyr., tub., ust., x-ray

Psoriasis (430) : abel., absin., acet-ac., acitre., acon-ac., adam., aegle.,
aesc., agar., ail., alf., all-c., all-s., aln., aloe, aloe-v., alth., alum.,
alum-cly., am-c., am-m., ambr., ammi-v., anac-oc., anag., anet-g., ange-a.,
ange-s., anh., anil., ant-c., ant-t., anthro., ap-g., aq-tun., aran-ix.,
arec., arg-n., arn., ars., ars-i., ars-i-merc., ars-met., ars-s-f.,
ars-s-r., art-v., arum-dru., asaf., asim., aspar., aspar-ac., aster., aur.,
aur-ar., aur-m., aur-m-n., aven., aza., bals-p., bamb-a., bar-c.,
bar-ox-succ., bar-s., baros., bell., bell-p., benz-p., berb., berb-a.,
beta., betul., bix., bold., bor., bor-ac., borag., bov., brass., brass-o.,
brom., bry., bufo, cac., calc., calc-f., calc-p., calc-s., calen., camph.,
cann-s., canth., caps., caras., carb-ac., carc., card-b., card-m., caru.,
cast-eq., caul., caust., cer-b., chaul., chel., chin., chlor., chrys-ac.,
chrysar., cic., cice., cich., cimic., cina, cit-ac., cit-l., cit-v., clem.,
coca, cocc., coch., coff., colch., cop., cor-r., cori-m., corn-f., cortiso.,
cosm., crb-a-b., croc., crot-h., cuc-c., cuc-p., cupr., cupr-acet., cyna.,
dam., dauc., des-ac., dict., dios., drym., dulc., dys-co., echi., elae.,
emetin., equis-a., erech., esch., etreti., eucal., eup-per., euph-l.,
euphr., fago., fagu-p., falco-p., ferr., ferr-ar., fic-c., fl-ac., flag-l.,
foen., form., form-ac., frag., fuc., fum-ac., funi-umb., galeo-c., gali.,
gall., gink., gins., glon., glyc., glyc-g., goss., graph., guai., gymne.,
haem., hedeo., helia., helod-c., hep., hydr., hydrang., hydrc., hydrocort.,
hyos., hyper., ichth., iod., irid., Iris, iris-fa., iris-g., jab., jasm.,
joan., jug-r., juni-c., kali-acet., Kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-br., kali-c.,
kali-chl., kali-i., kali-m., kali-p., kali-s., keto-ac., kreos., lac-c.,
lac-mat., lach., lappa, laur-n., lav-v., led., len-c., leon., lepro.,
levi-o., light-r., linu-u., lith., lith-c., lith-f., lith-m., lith-p.,
lith-s., lob., lup., lyc., lycpr., lyss., mag-c., mal-ac., maland., malv.,
manc., mand., mang., mang-acet., mang-m., mang-met., mang-p., mangi., med.,
meli., menth., menth-pu., meny., merc., merc-aur., merc-c., merc-i-r.,
merc-k-i., merc-n., merc-s., methox., mez., mim-p., mimul-b., moly.,
mom-ch., morg-g., mur-ac., myric., naja, napht., naphtin., nat-ar., nat-m.,
nat-ox., nat-pyru., nat-s., nat-taur., nit-ac., nit-m-ac., nuph., nux-m.,
nux-v., oci-b., oeno., olea, olnd., op., opun-v., orig., orig-v., passi.,
past., pers., petr., ph-ac., phenyl., phos., phyll., phyt., phyt-b.,
pimp-a., pin-s., pip-n., pitu-a., pix., plan., plat., platan., plb., podo.,
pol-v., polyg., polyg-a., polyph., posit., propra., prun., prun-c., prun-d.,
psor., psoral-c., puls., querc., quinh., rad-br., ran-b., raph., res.,
rham-p., rheum, rhus-g., rhus-t., ribs-n., ric., ros-ca., ros-d., rosm.,
rumx., rumx-a., rumx-ob., ruta, sabal., salv., salx-a., samb., samb-c.,
sanguis., sanic., sapin., sarcol-ac., saroth., sarr., sars., sat-h., scarl.,
schin., scler-b., scut., sel., sep., sil., sin-a., sol-n., sol-t., solid.,
sorb-au., spin-o., squil., staph., stel., still., stram., strept.,
stront-c., stry., stry-ar., stry-p., succ-ac., sul-ac., sul-i., sulo-ac.,
sulph., symph., syph., syzyg., tab., tama., tanac., tarax., tax., tell.,
ter., teucr., thea., thlaspi, thuj., thymu-v., thyr., til., tong., trib.,
trif-p., trig-f-g., trop., tub., tus-fa., urine, urt-d., ust., uva.,
vacc-m., valer., vario., verb., verbe-o., verv-b., vib-p., viol-o., viol-t.,
visc., vitis, x-ray, zea-i., zinc., zing.
Elimination: agar., aloe, alum., ant-c., ant-t., arg-n., arn., ars., aur.,
bar-c., benz-p., bor., bry., bufo, Calc., calc-f., carc., caust., chel.,
chin., cic., cocc., coch., cupr., cupr-acet., dulc., dys-co., euphr.,
fagu-p., fl-ac., form-ac., gins., graph., hep., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-i.,
kali-p., lith., lith-c., lith-f., lith-m., lith-p., lith-s., Lyc., mag-c.,
mang-met., med., moly., mur-ac., nat-ar., nat-m., nux-v., petr., ph-ac.,
phos., plat., psor., puls., rad-br., ran-b., rhus-t., scut., Sep., sil.,
Staph., stram., sul-ac., sul-i., sulph., thuj., tub.
Few Notes:
Caust (Boenninghausen) - Fear: future, of. 6>11>21 Inveterate Psoriasis
(Buck)

Dulc DISTURBED: FEAR, BY: FUTURE, OF THE. {0> 1> 0} [10] Eruptions:
scaly, psoriatic. 11>8>7 (Boenninghausen)

among others, including of course, Staph, which maybe the pt will return to
after this major event of the job firing and however you choose to
proceed...

Staph -- Psoriasis or other eruptions on the scalp, especially in the
occiput.
Carc fears--

Fear: general. {72> 424> 0} [119]
Fear: children, in. {3> 26> 0} [149]
Fear: crowd, in a. {10> 50> 0} [187]
Fear: examination, before. {2> 17> 0} [140]
Fear: noise, from. {13> 42> 0} [227]
FEAR: NOISE, FROM: MENSES, DURING. {0> 1> 0} [227]
Fear: riding in a carriage. {5> 13> 0} [227]
Fear: causeless. {0> 9> 0} [207]
Fear: panic attacks, overpowering. {2> 42> 0} [207]
Fear: prolonged. {1> 4> 0} [184]
Fear: agoraphobia. {4> 25> 0} [207]
Fear: alone, of being. {22> 65> 0} [207]
Fear: animals, of. {4> 52> 0} [140]
Fear: animals, of: dogs, of. {8> 15> 0} [193]
FEAR: ANIMALS, OF: FROGS. {0> 1> 0} [207]
Fear: animals, of: snakes, of. {1> 18> 0} [207]
Fear: animals, of: spiders, of. {0> 9> 0} [210]
Fear: attacked, of being. {1> 3> 0} [207]
Fear: cancer, of. {8> 22> 0} [187]
Fear: dark. {17> 47> 0} [119]
Fear: death, of. {53> 127> 0} [207]
Fear: death, of: impending, of. {9> 19> 0} [207]
Fear: disease, of: impending. {20> 73> 0} [186]
Fear: disease, of: impending: contagious, epidemic, infection. {3> 18> 0}
[186]
Fear: disease, of: impending: contagious, epidemic, infection: children, in.
{0> 4> 7} [186]
Fear: disease, of: incurable, of being. {1> 51> 0} [207]
Fear: evil, of. {28> 95> 0} [207]
Fear: failure, of. {3> 32> 0} [193]
Fear: ghosts, of. {14> 28> 0} [207]
Fear: happen: something will. {20> 93> 0} [207]
Fear: happen: something will: family, to, or to him. {0> 9> 0} [259]
Fear: happen: something will: terrible, horrible. {6> 16> 0} [207]
Fear: high places. {2> 17> 0} [193]
Fear: injured, of being. {2> 20> 0} [259]
Fear: insanity, of losing his reason. {27> 74> 0} [207]
FEAR: INTROVERSION, OF. {0> 1> 0} [207]
Fear: mirrors in room, of. {3> 6> 0} [146]
Fear: narrow place, in, claustrophobia. {10> 35> 0} [184]
Fear: narrow place, in, claustrophobia: vaults, churches and cellars, of.
{2> 9> 0} [184]
Fear: people, of, anthropophobia. {23> 69> 0} [227]
FEAR: PEOPLE, OF, ANTHROPOPHOBIA: MENSES, DURING. {0> 1> 0} [227]
Fear: places, buildings. {0> 7> 0} [207]
Fear: reproach, of. {0> 3> 0} [233]
Fear: strangers, of. {4> 14> 0} [207]
Fear: streets, busy. {2> 3> 0} [162]
Fear: thunderstorm, of. {13> 21> 0} [207]
Fear: walking, of. {0> 10> 0} [162]
Fear: walking, of: across busy street. {1> 6> 0} [162]
Fear: water, of. {6> 28> 0} [207]

Carc-- Eruptions: psoriasis. {34> 75> 0} [207]
=======
Hope these ideas are helpful. Thanks for the grist for discussion. May
the pt. flourish and you as well.

It would be interesting to hear more later about outcome of the strategy you
employ...

Thank you,
Andy


Bonnieallenart
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Re: psoriasis case

Post by Bonnieallenart »

I was struck by your comment that your psoriasis patient has an aversion to
cilantro. I have
never seen this aversion except in a case with psoriasis as the presenting
complaint.
Interesting case, please keep us updated.
bonnie
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Re: psoriasis case

Post by Joy Lucas »

Coriander is part of the Umbelliferae family and a number of rx in this
group have an affinity to serious skin disorders such as psoriasis,
especially Hydrocotyle; Aethusa; Apium; Oenanthe; Cicuta; Asafoetida
etc. Best wishes, Joy

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