manic depression and specifics

[Joy Lucas]

I am continuously puzzled at the frequent requests within this group for so
called specific remedies for specific diagnoses. A diagnosis is only
important for us to make sure we are familiar with the common course of a
disease and what common symptoms we should expect to see so that unusual
symptoms can be looked at carefully. Other than that a diagnosis is only a
set of symptoms which we should be treating not the name of the condition.
Secondly there are not specific Rx (although occasionally in the materia
medicas you will come across this concept, I believe it to be questionable).
Ten people with bi-polar depression = a possible ten different Rx.

You must take the case and match the Sx picture to the individual case and
not the diagnosis.

Having now spoken the obvious I have treated people with this so called
condition - I recently posted a case treated with Agaricus.

Best wishes, Joy Lucas
Joy

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[twhite7101]

In terms of treating named disease with specific remedies, although
homeopaths claim to treat only on the individualised symptom picture, we all
to often use a "therpeutic"approach, especially when layering a case. Vide
Boericke & Tyler.

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Joy

Thank you for another of your excellent responses.

There are a lot of people who are trained as allopaths and then find out
about homoeopathy. There is a great temptation for these people to use
homoeopathic remedies as they did allopathic drugs. The end result is nearly
always SUPPRESSION.

And suppression always leads to a deeper more difficult-to-treat disease.

One of the main pillars of homoeopathy is INDIVIDUALISATION.
I would like to ask Manoj to tell us why he requires a 'specific' remedy for
this particular patient. Is this patient exactly the same as the other
patients one may see with Bipolar-depression? Are their presenting symptoms
exactly the same as everyone else?
If not, then how can one justify a 'Specific' remedy?

When it comes to specifics - often for acute cases, I regard these as
remedies that one would prescribe with little thinking, almost
automatically.
So following an accident, when there is physical trauma, then I would
automatically prescribe Arnica. If there is mental shock, then Aconite is
called upon.

Some colleagues quickly resort to prescribing Ignatia after grief. This is
like prescribing Valium or such like when some one is in deep grief. It
will not necessarily help the patient long term. Again one must only
prescribe Ign when its 'grief' signs are there. I personally would want to
prescribe nothing (Don't forget that the absolute minimum dose is NOTHING)
unless the situation demands it. If the patient can come to terms with
grief by themselves through grieving, talking about the loss and weeping etc
it SO much better. However, when there are the signs of Ignatia in the
patient, then the situation demands its prescription.

Please don't forget we are Homoeopaths and not allopaths and as homeopaths,
we try to prescribe classically.

Good healing
Soroush

[anton]

Dear Joy

As an "old" hand in the great art of Homoeopathy, we appreciate
and respect your high skills and knowledge in this wonderful art
dearly.

May I please request from you to soften your teacher`s trait in
approaching new-comers to this bulletin site, as well as new-
comers to the discipline with a bit more tolerance and inclusive
introduction. We, as new-comers, are very interested in the art of
healing, but could experience irritability (even well-meant like yours
here) as "keep-off!" One could easily be scared away.

Please remember the wise words of a true master: Teach a million
new borns the skill of standing up as if you are doing it the first
time yourself.

Thanks for your willingness to share you experience and
knowledge with us.

Much obliged.

Anton.
I am continuously puzzled at the frequent requests within this group
for so called specific remedies for specific diagnoses. A diagnosis
is
only important for us to make sure we are familiar with the common
course of a disease and what common symptoms we should
expect to see
so that unusual symptoms can be looked at carefully. Other than
that a
diagnosis is only a set of symptoms which we should be treating
not
the name of the condition. Secondly there are not specific Rx
(although occasionally in the materia medicas you will come across
this concept, I believe it to be questionable). Ten people with
bi-polar depression = a possible ten different Rx.

You must take the case and match the Sx picture to the individual
case
and not the diagnosis.

Having now spoken the obvious I have treated people with this so
called condition - I recently posted a case treated with Agaricus.

Best wishes, Joy Lucas
Joy

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[anton]

Dear Soroush (and all who are "teachers" in this discipline).

I agree with this approach, Soroush. If we try to answer new-
comers more inclusive, rather than exclusive, we would win many
more disciples for the art of Homoeopathy.

Anton.
Dear Joy

Thank you for another of your excellent responses.

There are a lot of people who are trained as allopaths and then find
out about homoeopathy. There is a great temptation for these
people
to use homoeopathic remedies as they did allopathic drugs. The
end
result is nearly always SUPPRESSION.

And suppression always leads to a deeper more difficult-to-treat
disease.

One of the main pillars of homoeopathy is INDIVIDUALISATION.
I would like to ask Manoj to tell us why he requires a 'specific'
remedy for this particular patient. Is this patient exactly the same
as the other patients one may see with Bipolar-depression? Are
their
presenting symptoms exactly the same as everyone else? If not,
then
how can one justify a 'Specific' remedy?

When it comes to specifics - often for acute cases, I regard these
as
remedies that one would prescribe with little thinking, almost
automatically. So following an accident, when there is physical
trauma, then I would automatically prescribe Arnica. If there is
mental shock, then Aconite is called upon.

Some colleagues quickly resort to prescribing Ignatia after grief.
This is like prescribing Valium or such like when some one is in
deep
grief. It will not necessarily help the patient long term. Again one
must only prescribe Ign when its 'grief' signs are there. I
personally would want to prescribe nothing (Don't forget that the
absolute minimum dose is NOTHING) unless the situation
demands it. If
the patient can come to terms with grief by themselves through
grieving, talking about the loss and weeping etc it SO much better.
However, when there are the signs of Ignatia in the patient, then the
situation demands its prescription.

Please don't forget we are Homoeopaths and not allopaths and as
homeopaths, we try to prescribe classically.

Good healing
Soroush

[Joy Lucas]

Anton, thank you for your note. Firstly I really do challenge the
description of the emotional state of the post in question. I would describe
myself as reasonably soft and tolerant and i am not aware of sending any
post in a state of irritability - maybe it is the limitations of the
technology - no excuses but that is how I feel. I am concerned though at the
level of teaching and experience and how we continue to gain experience. We
are, after all trying to heal people and if someone is at the required level
to prescribe remedies then I do expect them to have enough knowledge to do
so. So many other professional practices would require these high standards.
Our clients health is at stake and I do admit to taking a high stand and
purpose on this. I also have no idea how learned everyone is within this
group, i.e. I have no way of knowing who is new or not to homeopathy.
Regards, Joy Lucas
Joy

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[Jasbir Kaur Villaschi]

Joy,

As a first year at classical college, I've been told that whereas I and
my colleagues will sweat out
four years of learning and practice before attaining a licence... our
allopathic counterparts will only have to
do the equivalent of six-eight weekends study in the post-grad courses
available to GPs and nurses to qualify for the
same licence level ... I fail to see how they could understand the
depths of our chosen profession in such a short period
of time ...but can see how some contributors to our list may lack in
grasp due to their training path...

Surely this situation should not be allowed to continue as it will and
has created problems and doubts for
the public in homeopaths' ability to heal(through misguided prescriptive
practices) ...after all opening up the
door for allopaths to retrain is a good method for wider acceptance but
I do not feel we serve ourselves
or our patients if we do not demand the same high standards of
homeopathic practice from these recruits as
those coming in 'fresh'. Vice versa as the medical institutions are
reviewing and restricting our scope for
practice at the current moment insisting on our greater life science and
clinical knowledge I
expect to be told to learn enough to truly serve my patients to the best
of my ability ...but I would never presume
to be fully qualified in all aspects of allopathic practice.

Jas

Joy Lucas wrote:
--
she reads homeopathy....she talks homeopathy...she studies homeopathy ...........she's an insomniac!!

[Anton Smith]

On 29 Dec 2001, at 20:05, Joy Lucas wrote:
Dear Joy
Thanks for your reply. I accept your view on yourself. And I
agree with you whole heartedly that technology is not the ideal
communication medium, because the non-verbal side of
signally information is lost; with that also the emotional
perception of people being in each other`s presence.
However, we should therefore take extra care in
communicating through this limited medium, because people
have a natural tendency to fill in the gaps where other
perceptions lack. And they do it from their own social
background, which will definitely not correspond with that of
the one who sends the message.

I appreciate your honest reaction and now know that your
intentions are above reproach.
I am concerned though at the

As far as high standards are concerned, I agree with you
100%. We must, however, bare in mind that this is a public
domain forum, where anyone has access to. Its would be
expecting too much from new-comers (whom you would not
be able to identify because of the "namelessness" of the
medium) to be approached as old hands.

Just by visiting the site frequently, I have learned not to post a
single symptom and request advice on a single remedy. The
larger part of the world is raised in an allopathic environment,
where quick fixes and symptomatic treatment is at the order
of the day. We cannot approach the silent visitors quietly
watching and learning from the perimeter of this site, to have
the same experience and insight in the art of Homoeopathy as
the old-hands have.

Maybe a private membership site, where a privileged few,
could be the answer to exclusivity to raise standards among
the initiated chord. But that would eventually be suicidal; like
a endangered species breeding in an enclosure with
themselves - eventually dying without anyone to take to
blessing of the art forward.

I do want to say that I find you one of the most stimulating
people on the site, and I cannot wait to read what you write on
this subject. I have been one of the quiet perimeter fish,
watching what the big ones were doing for months now.

May I also thank all the experienced contributors to this site
for their most appreciated teaching and opinions which we of
lesser experience may witness.

After this chronicle, I will hold my horses once again, retract
to the quiet waters from where I will continue to learn and
observe.

Yours sincerely.
Anton.

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