Repeated high Potencies

[myirishenergy]

Yes that's what I was taught. NEVER go backwards as a lower potency
will actually turn things backwards!
It's like your not moving forward with peeling layers.
But as you know, we're always learning.
I've read where David Little says he will start someone out on a 6 or
12 and if it's a similar he'll go to an LM and work his way up.
I can't remember where I read that but I'm sure I've got that correct.
If you know where it is could you let me know please....
Since this man has suffered so much, I'm afraid to do too much of
anything. I'll wait and see how he goes.
Surely he should be coming down off this energy run...I gave him the
12C's on the 27th of February. Can't last too much longer I don't
think.maybe 3 weeks to a month...

Emily

[Sheri Nakken]

At 04:36 PM 3/18/2006 -0000, you wrote:

If there is an aggravation of symptoms that a person already has you wait
until that is over.

Then if the symptom still indicates the same remedy, you give it in a lower
potency

I use, as does David Little, water potencies. If I had given 12Cin water,
I would go down to 6C and go then go slowly - with a test dose (that is how
I always do it anyway). You can't go up on potency or stay the same when
you've had an aggravation - you can only go down.

Do you have a mentor that you work with?
Sheri

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[myirishenergy]

Sheri, I can't understand going "down" in potency.
I only have been taught all these years since 1995 to go UP.
I'm not without learning something New....
I read and listen to all Homeopaths as to what they do.
But if I'm pushing or peeling layers off disease from this person
with a 12C, how can I go Backwards?
I just can't get that in my head I'm sorry.
Don't we move forward till disease is pushed out? Either the disease
is pushed OUT or we get a totally different picture of another
remedy that has shown up.
I do know that we AVOID aggravations at all cost.
Just so happens I made a mistake as to this man's sensitivity.
I should have given him a 6C.
He's going thru aggravations.
But as Shannon brought out, once this is over with he may not have
the same aggravations with a repeated dose of the same ptency.
It probably will be easier or lesser in degree. ya know what I'm
saying?
I appreciate ANY input anyone has.
As you all know you can't beat Homeopathy for getting rid of
disease. For all the 10 yrs I've been involved with it, it never
ceases to amaze me.
Emily
12Cin water,
(that is how
same when

[Kitsnk9s]

Emily,
If you aren't comfortable going down in potency, could you not simply
use a much smaller dose for his next dose? i.e., in aqueous dilution,
succuss only once, then a drop or two in a dilution glass, and then
maybe even use a second dilution glass?

In Peace & Harmony,

Darla
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Emily,
A few more thoughts from me:
I remembered another way I've gone down to good effect, which is
possibly similar to Sheri's suggestion. I heard one could use 12c in
order to mitigate aggravation from a high potency. My little patient
group has seldom produced aggravations, but did get one, in someone I'd
given a 200c for pretty bad asthma. Well, he aggravated pretty badly!
Similar situation to your fellow, in that he was extremely cheerful
about the whole thing, said he felt *great* except that he was wheezing
like a steam engine. I gave him 12c of the same remedy to take as
needed, and it did take the edge off of the aggravation, without in any
discernible way interfering with the positive action of the 200c. He
used the 12c once or twice on most days, for about a week and a half,
after which the breathing normalized, and he did just wonderfully.
So--that's another time when coming down in potency can be useful! I
assume that a 6c would have worked similarly, and I would also think
that 6c in water dose would be a reasonable "smoother" for aggravation
from 12c dry. (I've never tried nor heard that *particular*
progression, but it seems reasonable to me.)
It's not "going backwards", it's just supplementing and modifying the
action.
Roger Morrison is one who has advocated this approach (using 12c to
modify overaction of high potency), so I would say it is not a
"backwater" approach by any means.
If you get a different picture of another remedy, then probably the
first remedy was only a partial to begin with. More commonly (in my
understanding and experience, if the remedy is really a good fit) you
would get a different "level" or "arrangement" of symptoms within the
picture of that same remedy. Or, more commonly still, you would simply
relapse back into more or less the same place as you started.
Ideally--we certainly *try* to avoid aggravations if feasible, but
sometimes it happens. I would not say "at all cost", because if you're
*too* afraid of them, then you'll become paralyzed, afraid to
prescribe, and that would not be "progress"!
Hindsight is 20/20! But
Cheers,
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Mm, I can only assume that whoever is teaching you can "never go
backwards", is teaching that because that is what *they* were taught,
and so they never tried it, and so have not had a chance to see that,
well, sometimes you *can* go back! I've also gone from: low potency
that worked nicely, to high potency that aggravated, and back to low
potencies, which resumed working fine. Plus the other situations I've
described. But anyway...
Yes, my memory is the same. (Tho I think he's also spoken of going
from 6c to LM1.)
Shannon
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[Kerry]

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The info is available in this article:
http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibr ... cy%20.html

And this is the extract that you might be referring to? It is towards the
end of the article.

'If the person will over react to the action of potencies higher then 30c
one best use the lower potencies C's like 6c, 12c, 24c, 30c. I tend to use
the lower centesimal potencies in medical solution and the split-dose where
I fear aggravations, pathology, and crisis. Then I work my way up to the 30c
and change to the LM 0/1 and go through the LM scale. These people do not do
very well on 200c, 1M, etc.. In fact, many of them are incurable by the
centesimal potency system alone. Hahnemann used this method also, although I
did not confirm this fact until I studied his casebooks many years later.'

Kerry

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

Here's another *NEVER*;

I was told 'never' give TUB to open an eczema case

Well I did anyway as it was indicated and it worked perfectly:-)

Let's have some more examples of *never*s that have been disproved?
(I've got a few but lets let someone else have a go)

Simon

[Sheri Nakken]

At 10:05 PM 3/18/2006 -0000, you wrote:

You started with too strong of a potency and got an aggravation. The only
place is to go down. The potency was too strong.
And so if you go higher you will have worse aggravations or nothing at all
if frequency is not right for any match at all.
I would never give someone the same potency they have an aggravation at and
I would never go higher. I would only go lower or give in same potency but
different dilution. If you are not using water potencies your choices are
very limited and aggravations will happen more than you would like.
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[Shannon Nelson]

Well, just to make things a little bit murkier...
I was taught that you can *also* aggravate by going too low (tho I
understand that as meaning "too low" within the high potency range, but
I don't know), and that some people will aggravate from LM, but not
from Cs. The explanation I was given (for each case) was that the rx
is strong enough to "stir things up", but not strong enough to move
them out. The only person I've *seen* this (apparently) happen with
was my son, who has never aggravated to anything *except* on two
instances where I felt 10M was indicated (he's healthy and young; the
symptoms were mostly M/E level and extremely intense, and an extremely
close match to the remedy, all of which I was taught as indications for
going high), but I wimped out and gave him 200c. It was interesting,
tho, an odd sort of aggravation; sort of a draggy, fussy,
just-can-get-it-together sort of aggravation. A few weeks later I
gathered my nerve and gave 1M, which smoothed things very nicely; few
months later not all had happened that I'd expected, and I followed
with 10M, and from there he did great for a very long time (year and a
half, I think?).

So--he's had *many* doses over the years, and the only two that ever
aggravated, were two where I "wimped out" and went "too low"! But--I
am *not* suggesting that's the case with Emily's patient. I too would
be way too nervous to go higher, but would feel fine about either same
potency in water dose, or moving down to 6. Emily, keep us posted!
Shannon

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