anger repressed

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Ellen,
On one person I've had 30c aggravate badly (but some curative action)
whereas 200c aggravated only slightly, with much better curative
action, and 10M did the best of all--terrific action and no aggravation
whatever.

He's the only person I've seen that in, but I was taught that you can
get aggravation from going too *low* as well as too high, because (so
to speak) the body can "hear" the remedy and is *trying* to follow, but
the remedy isn't "speaking" clearly enough, so the body gets as if
irritated, and can't quite do what's needed; but higher, more specific
potency will do the job.
With repeating doses (6c, 12, or LM) I've had good results with having
the person notice what improves after the dose, identifying what gets
better and worse *first* as the picture starts to change, and key the
repetition schedule to that. If the remedy's acting curatively they'll
need less frequent doses over time, so could *either* re-dose only as
sxs start to return, *or* see how long a period that is, and time the
repeat for just before they would begin to.
Maybe this is a situation where EFT could help the reaction pass off
faster, and give him a sense of control over it? (www.emofree.com)

Maybe... Yet it might not be realistic to assume we can *always* get a
perfect match, and we don't usually *need* a perfect match to cure, or
at least to move things along.
Hmph, I've never heard one claim complete success, so again I
think that "no aggravations" might be unrealistic.

Yet I've had the impression that most people's experiences are more
similar to mine with aggravations--that they are actually pretty rare.
If you're seeing a lot of them, it would be interesting to figure out
why. ?
Yes!!!
Yes, definitely! That would be called "clarifying the case", as
Hahnemann talks about in "one-sided cases" which, as he notes, are
often not *truly* one-sided, but case-taking wasn't complete enough to
bring out the rest of what *was* there to prescribe on, and a "sorta
close" remedy can sometimes emphasize the parts of the case that we
need to make better use of for prescribing.
Then you need to sort out whether it is "clarifying", or whether there
are proving sxs mixed in too. This might be a time where moving to
single doses of higher potencies; 30 or 200 are also considered good
"learning" potencies, at least that's how I was taught.
Best wishes,
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

I wonder if it might help to tell a person in this situation (emotions
they don't want to face) that you'd like them to "journal" about
it--write down what feelings come up, and anything that comes to mind
about it. This could help to give them a channel for the unwelcome
feelings (and even a hint of "welcome" to the unwelcome) and might
also, if needed, offer you insight into just what *is* going on, should
any need for remedy change arise?
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Yes!!!
There are counselling methods that could be useful here, where you can
support the person in "allowing" the emotions, while offering them a
safe place to feel them, and safe ways to channel them. E.g. "Where do
you feel that in your body? Maybe some tightness, heat, or full
feeling somewhere? [if they need, proceed] Where is it? If it had a
color, what color would it be? If it had a ... texture...
temperature... etc.

This may sound weird (it did to me at first!), but can work really
*beautifully*, to offer release to those stuck emotions. Sometimes
tears come, and make sure they know that, in this safe time and place,
that's just fine. I suppose this is "not homeopathy", or maybe it's
"overcoming an obstacle"...

And Dale, I love your remarks about your sepia patient who "reframed"
her reactions!
Shannon
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[Donna Earnest]

Hi Ellen
The scary part about that is that I understand what you wrote............lol
I have noticed that we do tend to attrack what we ourselves carry and have been told at times that we can only see what we ourselves possess.
So perhaps where you need to look now is within you...............

Donna

[Shannon Nelson]

"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself."
Relax and get eaten! Enjoy the journey!
When your patient "eats" you and finds you have not disappeared--nor
eaten him/her back--it may help them to let go of their own Inner
Phoenix. And after a while your dragon will no longer be afraid.
Shannon
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[Kathryn Ellen Madono]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Kathryn Ellen Madono]

Good way to put it. The waves of the ocean are not afraid.

[doctorleelah2h]

Hi Ellen,
ACtually I find aggravations from a good partial remedy very helpful,
especially if I happened to have used a higher potency esp 200, when
the 30C did not bring up the aggravation.
The symptomatology brought up becoems a very clear expression of the
preominant picutre (layer) requiring the similimum.
I investigate this aggravation very clearly from the emotional as well
as physical modlaiities/concomittant angle. In fact I almost define
all the previous information in case taking based on the predominant
state during an aggravation and it very often points me to the right
remedy. (Its difficult to find easier way to say this without getting
loquacious so I hope it makes sense).
Eg: In a complicated case once I gave Anacardium that helped partially
... but aggravation picture brought up THuja that has helped take the
case forward nearly 80%.
In another ase I gave BRyonia that seemed to be teh chronic remedy
based on the obvious picture. AN aggravation after 200 (not after 30)
brought up an acute state that was acutally a more precise expression
of the chronic state with a peculiar specific symptom. The picture
clearly pointed to Germanium.

Just a couple of examples. Both these cases have had severe long term
anger or frustration issues which the subsequent remedies helped.
Hope this helps,
D.r Leela
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6c. But I see aggravations often enough that I am using them like any
other potency (as little as possible). Often it is easy as a beginner
to move up slowly to high potencies. The mindless beginning with 6c
is what I am questioning. I try 1LM when I am not so afraid of
aggravation but I am finding that excellent communication is essential
to the management of LMs.
was taking it every other day which was probably too much. Ideally,
if he is unwilling to experience his anger, he should take it
infrequently enough so that he does not experience anger??
stop now or I am going to have a hysterectemy. Can they not
experience their anger and still keep their uterus?
I have in my mind that I am looking for a complete layer change.
That's what I have been told. So when the remedy cures everything,
there is no problem. There really is a layer change - Illness to
health. But I think some of these cases are ones where the remedy is
not going to be a cure-al until healthl. The remedy must be slightly
off if it aggravates. My teacher warned me not to quickly change
remedies when they aggravate. At the same time, with these
experiences, I realize that there is a judgement call here. Maybe it
is true that a good homeopath would never aggravate the remedy. The
fibroid remedies are frankly just aimed at the specific symptom, the
bleeding. Can any aggravation tell you a lot more about the case if
it is within the previous case history? That is it is not a proving.
Couldn't there be an overlap between an aggravation and a proving. I
seem to remember cases where part of the aggravation is familiar but
then there is an unfamiliar twist to it too.
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[Kathryn Ellen Madono]

Dear Dr. Leeha,
I see what you are doing. You have to do something like that or cases are going to languish in lala land of just waiting for a partial remedy to show better results. What is your pace? (I'm sure it depends on the vital force of the individual). But do you have a baseline for deciding when you change the remedy. Certainly you do not change the remedy with every aggravation. In the cases I mentioned, the anger is at the deep essence of the case level. You know this at an intuitive level. So following the cues given by the remedy aggravation are helpful. Of course, keeping a client with you when they are getting angry is another issue.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono

[Pauline Ashford]

Dear Ellen I often find that as someone else said the 'fear of the fear' is
the greatest detractor to sorting out many problems.
If I suspect that people have repressed anger issues I will ask them what it
is about anger that they are fearful of? Often it is that they fear that
they cannot control it. This may or may not lead to a past incident where
they did not control their anger and there were consequences for it or they
saw it exhibited in another and saw or felt the ostracism or other response
that this brought to that person. I talk to them about anger being what I
call a second level emotion - it is a response to another emotion -
generally a core issue or fear and that uncovering and dealing with this
core issue is mostly the way to collapse the anger. As it is a response then
anger can be channelled in many healthier ways - that anger is not
necessarily to feared - it is a normal human response and in many cases
valid. (they need to feel this valisity at times or they feel they are 'bad'
or wrong. It is just how we deal with this anger that makes the difference.
Take them thru the possible ways of expressing or dealing with anger
(acceptable or not) - get them to come up with them so they have to
'personalise' it to a certain extent - and then help them put in place some
strategies to deal with it. The biggest fear is usually that it will rise
and they wont know what to do and will end up striking out emotionally or
physically. If they have a plan of action it is not so scary. I also tell
them that part of my job is to be their 'sounding board' if you need to let
off steam come to a place they feel safe (physically and via our
confidentiality - emotionally also) "better out than in" so to speak . Often
just speaking out their anger and frustration can defuse it. I now also
(since Rochelle put me onto it) teach them some EFT. It is a tangible and
physical plan of action at times when they are not sure if they can cope -
and at times gives the time to allow the physical responses to anger to
defuse somewhat and some reason to return.
Anger is normal and natural, it is how we express it that makes the
difference - but for health it must be acknowledged and not suppressed and
somatised.
We need to accept it as a natural response in our selves at times.
This philosophy has come from much self analysis and help from others as I
"grew up " to become a Homeopath. My constitutional remedy is Nit ac. The
power of the right remedy to solve the core issue and thereby relieve you
from the second level emotions should never be underestimated. The Nit ac
resolved the underlying Fear of rejection (especially by those loved most)
and the anxiety that that caused - once the anxiety was gone - the fear that
I would be rejected if I showed my anger or disapproval - disappeared - I
stopped suppressing my anger and expressed it at the time while it was
'little' so to speak and then the fear that Mt Vesuvius might erupt if
pushed far enough disappeared as the molehills never got to be mountains and
all the while my physical symptoms began to disappear. I had to learn to
love myself even if I felt angry and know that I can could deal with it in a
socially acceptable manner. My interpersonal relationships also improved
marked at this time as other people 'knew' when I was upset - rather than
the 'mask' that covered the barely perceptible supression but made me
horribly angry in the tissues. I grew up in a religious background where one
was taught that anger was wrong and that we should forgive and turn the
other cheek. What no one told me was it is only the uncontrolled expression
of anger that is wrong to feel anger is to be human.
Regards Pauline