Hi Carole
This is an argument, usually used to promote complexes, that I have never really understood. The way we treat people and the time we typically take in the UK is a 'luxury' ? and if our patients were poorer we could do it much quicker?? If only. I don't deliberately drag things out and knowingly use inefficient prescribing methods just because both my patient and i can spare the time! I generally (not always) get better results if i put a bit more time into it.
People who work in these busy acutes clinics get very quick at the kind of prescribing required, I am sure. It's a skill. Nevertheless, if you can get 80% success rates on a first prescription you are doing very well, I'd say, however long you take. (Do you have the same success rates when practising in the UK or US? If you do and it takes longer, why do you think that is?) If a change of prescribing method or type of remedy is all that is needed to achieve these results there could be actually no moral justification for ever using anything else anywhere, or taking longer over a consultation, especially if the good results extend to chronic disease.
If you have been practising 20 years you must have heard of as many sure-fire quick routes to successful prescribing as I have. What happens to them? 5 years down the line they've gone and it is something else that is reaching the parts other methods/remedies can't reach. Each comes with its own miracle success stories, undoubtedly true ones, but unless they work as well for anyone using them as they do for the prescribers promoting them (which they generally don't) it seems to me they are examples of someone's healing ability combined with something that, at best, is another alternative for us to look at amongst the many.
bw
theresa
Carol wrote:
If we are practicing in a clinic in
a big city where we have the luxury of a 2 hour case taking and a
patient has the means to come back several times for ongoing tmt that
is one thing. However if we are faced with many sick patients who
have no means to fund their tmt or way to get to clinics and we have
only a few minutes per patient to find a useful medicine - as was the
case when I have worked in places like Indian villages and keynote
Pxing or GE was all there was time for - then it is possible for a
small number of homeopaths to make a significant contribution in
those circumstances. It won't work for everyone but as I said 80%
of a 100 is a lot of people in 2 hours....and I would still call that
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Re: was pc remedies
Hi Theresa,
I think one of the issues is that acute prescribing in general doesn't
require the long intake procedure that chronic / "constitutional"
prescribing does. And in particular, if you're treating an epidemic,
you don't (according to Hahnemann) need to do as much
individualization, once the genus epidemicus/i is/are identified.
Goals and appropriate methods are different, depending on
circumstances. Recall that Hahnemann felt very free to do "mass
prescribing" in epidemics, so presumably we can feel free to do the
same!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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I think one of the issues is that acute prescribing in general doesn't
require the long intake procedure that chronic / "constitutional"
prescribing does. And in particular, if you're treating an epidemic,
you don't (according to Hahnemann) need to do as much
individualization, once the genus epidemicus/i is/are identified.
Goals and appropriate methods are different, depending on
circumstances. Recall that Hahnemann felt very free to do "mass
prescribing" in epidemics, so presumably we can feel free to do the
same!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Re: was pc remedies
Dear Theresa,
Wow I certainly learned yesterday that every word in an email needs
to be carefully considered so as not to leave space for
misunderstanding. My original posts were nothing more than a call
for open minds combined with critical thinking - and yes to all who
spoke about the need to define homeopathy. Whatever Peter is doing
with his PC remedies I'm interested to know about - to inform myself
as best I can and consider the ongoing project. Whether it can be
called homeopathy as we use the word is another question entirely -
as it stands I would seriously doubt it - but that also does not mean
I therefore have no interest in it - I consider myself a health
practitioner who has chosen homeopathy as my major tool to work with,
that's all.
I have no idea what you mean by "to promote complexes" ....I am
describing straight down the line classical Pxing. I am saying that
the circumstances are entirely different - the patients are different
- the pathologies they present with are different - their access to
allopathic medicine, vaccination and surgery, and therefore the level
of suppression is different. (yes there are drugs dumped in the
developing world, and drugs available for purchase - but it is a fact
that the majority of people outside the big cities - and most
populations are still rural - people do not have access to the level
of allopathic drugging, vacc and surgery that there is in the UK or
US for example - buying 2 or 3 tablets of an antibiotic when you can
afford it is not the same as weeks of antibiotic tmt several times a
year etc. etc.)
I am not saying I get "80% success rates" - I am saying that in a GE
situation we should expect to get that - and we do - that's the
nature of GE and why we use it - we don't need a 2 hour intake to
prescribe in an epidemic and we could not be effective if we did. I
am also saying that it's possible to do fast and effective keynote
Pxing in such circumstances where it is appropriate and necessary. I
was talking about rural villages where there is no other form of
healthcare easily available - trips to the nearest town are beyond
the reach of most esp when they are farmers tied to the land
depending on the season - and again the pathologies and medical
histories are completely different - the cases are much simpler.
(And to avoid any misunderstanding I do NOT mean by that that the
people themselves are simple, but that their Vital Force has been
less burdened and btw I have no experience in Africa in the kinds of
circumstances Peter describes, so can't comment on that.) But it
allows a homeopath to still be effective despite the numbers stacked
against them. That's all.......
Theresa, I'm sorry if you took this to be a criticism of a two hour
case taking - absolutely not - sometimes, as we all know 2 hours is
not enough!
I am also definitely not advocating any 'sure fire quick routes' to
Pxing - I have been teaching for most of the last 20 years and it's a
constant cry from students yearning for a quick fix. We know that it
doesn't exist in the form you're suggesting - and that even when we
prescribe arnica for bruising we are still Pxing according to the law
of Similars - that's what makes it homeopathy and not some other
modality, right!
I really don't think there is disagreement here - but the flurry of
postings about my initial response to PC remedies has served to
remind me why I rarely post on the list!
Not having enough time
to consider carefully every word, leaving space for misunderstanding,
and maybe assuming that those reading it will know more of where I'm
coming from than maybe they do - and I take full responsibility for
that.
Have a wonderful week.
Carol
Wow I certainly learned yesterday that every word in an email needs
to be carefully considered so as not to leave space for
misunderstanding. My original posts were nothing more than a call
for open minds combined with critical thinking - and yes to all who
spoke about the need to define homeopathy. Whatever Peter is doing
with his PC remedies I'm interested to know about - to inform myself
as best I can and consider the ongoing project. Whether it can be
called homeopathy as we use the word is another question entirely -
as it stands I would seriously doubt it - but that also does not mean
I therefore have no interest in it - I consider myself a health
practitioner who has chosen homeopathy as my major tool to work with,
that's all.
I have no idea what you mean by "to promote complexes" ....I am
describing straight down the line classical Pxing. I am saying that
the circumstances are entirely different - the patients are different
- the pathologies they present with are different - their access to
allopathic medicine, vaccination and surgery, and therefore the level
of suppression is different. (yes there are drugs dumped in the
developing world, and drugs available for purchase - but it is a fact
that the majority of people outside the big cities - and most
populations are still rural - people do not have access to the level
of allopathic drugging, vacc and surgery that there is in the UK or
US for example - buying 2 or 3 tablets of an antibiotic when you can
afford it is not the same as weeks of antibiotic tmt several times a
year etc. etc.)
I am not saying I get "80% success rates" - I am saying that in a GE
situation we should expect to get that - and we do - that's the
nature of GE and why we use it - we don't need a 2 hour intake to
prescribe in an epidemic and we could not be effective if we did. I
am also saying that it's possible to do fast and effective keynote
Pxing in such circumstances where it is appropriate and necessary. I
was talking about rural villages where there is no other form of
healthcare easily available - trips to the nearest town are beyond
the reach of most esp when they are farmers tied to the land
depending on the season - and again the pathologies and medical
histories are completely different - the cases are much simpler.
(And to avoid any misunderstanding I do NOT mean by that that the
people themselves are simple, but that their Vital Force has been
less burdened and btw I have no experience in Africa in the kinds of
circumstances Peter describes, so can't comment on that.) But it
allows a homeopath to still be effective despite the numbers stacked
against them. That's all.......
Theresa, I'm sorry if you took this to be a criticism of a two hour
case taking - absolutely not - sometimes, as we all know 2 hours is
not enough!
I am also definitely not advocating any 'sure fire quick routes' to
Pxing - I have been teaching for most of the last 20 years and it's a
constant cry from students yearning for a quick fix. We know that it
doesn't exist in the form you're suggesting - and that even when we
prescribe arnica for bruising we are still Pxing according to the law
of Similars - that's what makes it homeopathy and not some other
modality, right!
I really don't think there is disagreement here - but the flurry of
postings about my initial response to PC remedies has served to
remind me why I rarely post on the list!
Not having enough time to consider carefully every word, leaving space for misunderstanding,
and maybe assuming that those reading it will know more of where I'm
coming from than maybe they do - and I take full responsibility for
that.
Have a wonderful week.
Carol