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Shannon Nelson
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30C's

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Sure, but did that happen thru chemical effects of the remedy (as in
drug or nutrient therapy) or thru energetic effects of the remedy upon
the body's homeostatic "sensibility" (if that makes sense...)?

If that chemical change has been caused by chemical action, then
shouldn't the same remedy affect all people in largely the same way?
The actions of chemical agents (drugs, toxins, nutrients) are fairly
uniform among different people (not absolutely, I realize), but this
turns out to be not at all the case for remedies; and the explanation
as "we" give it, is that it depends not on the nature of the remedy
itself, but on the interaction of subtle (non-chemical and perhaps
non-physical?) aspects of the remedy, with non-chemical (or not
primarily chemical?) aspects of the patient.

I hugely appreciated Dr. Shaddel's adding in the concept of similars
versus opposites, and I'm abashed that none of us had brought it in
before, because he's absolutely right that it's one of the cornerstones
of homeopathy, and a defining difference between homeopathy and
allopathy.

I think one can safely say that treatment by similars is both more
delicate (needs to be "similar enough", and to have similarity with an
area of adequate "leverage", not just a symptom or characteristic or
two) and also more powerful (can bring about deeper and more lasting
balance than can treatment by opposites).

And there's another difference--with successful treatment by opposites
you can right the imbalance, but only temporarily; you have to *keep*
taking that drug or vitamin or whatever. (This is a generalization,
won't be true in every case, but generally.) But with successful
treatment by similars, we have the chance to "re-educate" the vital
force (a term I'm not enthusiastic about for this discussion, but I
don't have a better one at hand), so that the healing may be
*permanent*. Sort of a "legislation versus education" issue. :-)
Sure, but he also says that cure happens only through treatment by
*similars*.
There are some allopathic medicines that *are* also homeopathic to some
of the diseases they are used to treat--e.g. digitalis will be a good
similar for some percentage of heart cases, and for some of those it
may be truly curative (tho may be more efficient if given in potency;
may, or may not, I gather). Some cases of ovarian cancer may be truly
cured either / both by Platina in potency, and/or by the platinum-based
drug that is commonly used to treat it. In cases such as those, the
cure is being achieved from *both* chemical and energetic levels, and
is effective because of the symptom similarity between substance and
drug/remedy.
I quite agree!
Yes, one of my examples above! Are you familiar with the homeopathic
picture of digitalis?

:-) Well, I have often had that feeling... One of my first
"revelations" about homeopathy was that "The more I learn, the weirder
it seems!" By now, tho, I guess it's become part of my "world view."
However, I also think that Dr. Shaddel's post added another important
missing piece.

Well, re-state your question if you feel to--I've kind of lost track of
where we started from!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Dr. John F.
Posts: 23
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:00 pm

Re: 30C's

Post by Dr. John F. »

Dear Shannon
Thanks a lot. Now I can say that I've got my answer.
Best
John

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
Sure, but did that happen thru chemical effects of the remedy (as in
drug or nutrient therapy) or thru energetic effects of the remedy upon
the body's homeostatic "sensibility" (if that makes sense...)?

If that chemical change has been caused by chemical action, then
shouldn't the same remedy affect all people in largely the same way?
The actions of chemical agents (drugs, toxins, nutrients) are fairly
uniform among different people (not absolutely, I realize), but this
turns out to be not at all the case for remedies; and the explanation
as "we" give it, is that it depends not on the nature of the remedy
itself, but on the interaction of subtle (non-chemical and perhaps
non-physical?) aspects of the remedy, with non-chemical (or not
primarily chemical?) aspects of the patient.

I hugely appreciated Dr. Shaddel's adding in the concept of similars
versus opposites, and I'm abashed that none of us had brought it in
before, because he's absolutely right that it's one of the cornerstones
of homeopathy, and a defining difference between homeopathy and
allopathy.

I think one can safely say that treatment by similars is both more
delicate (needs to be "similar enough", and to have similarity with an
area of adequate "leverage", not just a symptom or characteristic or
two) and also more powerful (can bring about deeper and more lasting
balance than can treatment by opposites).

And there's another difference--with successful treatment by opposites
you can right the imbalance, but only temporarily; you have to *keep*
taking that drug or vitamin or whatever. (This is a generalization,
won't be true in every case, but generally.) But with successful
treatment by similars, we have the chance to "re-educate" the vital
force (a term I'm not enthusiastic about for this discussion, but I
don't have a better one at hand), so that the healing may be
*permanent*. Sort of a "legislation versus education" issue. :-)
Sure, but he also says that cure happens only through treatment by
*similars*.
There are some allopathic medicines that *are* also homeopathic to some
of the diseases they are used to treat--e.g. digitalis will be a good
similar for some percentage of heart cases, and for some of those it
may be truly curative (tho may be more efficient if given in potency;
may, or may not, I gather). Some cases of ovarian cancer may be truly
cured either / both by Platina in potency, and/or by the platinum-based
drug that is commonly used to treat it. In cases such as those, the
cure is being achieved from *both* chemical and energetic levels, and
is effective because of the symptom similarity between substance and
drug/remedy.
I quite agree!
Yes, one of my examples above! Are you familiar with the homeopathic
picture of digitalis?

:-) Well, I have often had that feeling... One of my first
"revelations" about homeopathy was that "The more I learn, the weirder
it seems!" By now, tho, I guess it's become part of my "world view."
However, I also think that Dr. Shaddel's post added another important
missing piece.

Well, re-state your question if you feel to--I've kind of lost track of
where we started from!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Didi Ananda Rucira
Posts: 105
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:47 pm

Re: 30C's

Post by Didi Ananda Rucira »

Hi all,

I haven't followed the whole of this discussion but I put my nose into it anyway!

I tell my students that they won't find 2 homeopaths together that agree on the students question "what potency do I start with" !!
;-)

I found here in Kenya that 30's & 6's do fine. I hardly ever need to go to higher potencies.

What I think:

Most of what we see are primary-type infections. TB, malaria, typhoid, amebas, HIV, STDs, "flus", colds etc.

Other, more chronic cases still benefit from 30's, before I move to 200s. Even "simple" iatrogenic cases (toxicity from over-dosing on malaria or typhoid meds) are usually cleared quickly

Cases that are messy iatrogenic chronic cases still benefit from 30's. My thinking is that here in Kenya its hardly been 1 generation of the population that has been poluted with over-drugging, polution and junk food. The ill-effects of pharmaceutical imperialism have not gone miasmically into the "blood" of the population.

One of my volunteers wrote me that once she returned to her European rural practice, she found too that low potencies worked well. So perhaps "the simple life" is a factor?

Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
visit: www.abhalight.org
tel: +254 20 445-0181 / cells: 0733-895466 / 0723-869133


Bonnieallenart
Posts: 105
Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm

Re: 30C's

Post by Bonnieallenart »

some of you are immensely knowledgeable regarding supportive organ herbal
/remedy
treatments.
a patient is recovering from a severe protozoa infection upon returning
from
a trip abroad ........inflamed intestines, liver..etc.
she has undergone a broad dose of heavy duty antibiotics and now is
extremely depleted.
any suggestions would be appreciated.
thank you,
bonnie
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