Naturally !! I didn't give the case as I just really wanted to discuss the
gesture. She thinks she's ugly but I think that is quite common with girls
of her age plump or not and also the upset when at school they have girly
quarrels. You know the type of thing - "I'm not your best friend any more
because you were playing with ....... at lunchtime".
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
Gestures
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Rochelle Marsden
- Posts: 2005
- Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:00 pm
Re: Gestures
I have a Bar C patient at the moment who is very out spoken but won't get a
job as he is terrified at being in an interview. He is doing well on Bar
Carb. You are correct , it can show itself in certain situations. I haven't
found hers yet!!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
job as he is terrified at being in an interview. He is doing well on Bar
Carb. You are correct , it can show itself in certain situations. I haven't
found hers yet!!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
Re: Gestures
Rochelle Marsden wrote:
((( Fear of dark (though in past); fearful plus gestures--my first thought
was stram. Stram is a big one for involuntary hand motions. Might be an
etiological layer of fright. In Herscus schema, the next layer down might
be a nosode, then Calc or another typical childhood remedy that you have
perceived. Tarent has aversion spicy, -- very restless rx. Hyos and
stram probably the biggest initial thoughts for hand gestures but lots of
other rx.
======================
Various searches which I hope helpful:
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand [rem] fear [sen] alone: acon., agar.,
ars., ars-s-f., atro., 2bell., bry., calc-p., camph., carc., caust., cic.,
hydr-ac., hyos., kali-br., merc., nat-c., nat-m., nux-m., nux-v., op.,
phos., 3Plb., puls., sep., sil., 2stram., stry., tab., tarent.1202, verat.
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand [rem] fear [sen] alone [rem] averse
[sen] seasoned/spicy: 3Phos., plb., 2puls., sil., 2tarent.1202
Gestures [sen] involuntary [rem] fear [sen] dark [rem] averse [sen]
seasoned/spicy: 3Hep.8, 3Phos., 3Puls., sil., sulph., tarent.
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand [rem] averse [sen] seasoned/spicy:
fl-ac., 2mosch., 3Phos., plb., 3Puls., sang., sil., sulph., 3Tarent.1202
If Gestures is the main peculiar in the case, this might be useful:
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand: acon., agar., alumn., 2ars.,
ars-s-f., atro., bapt., bell., bry., calc-p., camph., cann-i., canth.,
carb-an., carc., caust., cic., coca, fl-ac., hydr-ac., hyos., kali-br.,
merc., mosch., nat-c., nat-m., nux-m., nux-v., op., phos., plb., puls.,
sang., sars., sep., sil., 3Stram., stry., sulph., tab., tarent.1202, verat.
HYOS, STRAM, TARENT three interesting rx to compare in fear+hand gestures.
Stramonium, tarent, hyos according to Gunavante is below, in case this of
help. Stram will be wide-eyed as if alert in fright, Tarent slightly foxy
(cf Moschus); Hyos quiet and somewhat ashamed-looking. Lots of other rx of
course. Have seen Kali-br in a child of this sort, for example (peculiar in
that case was maturbation and "flooding" in a child of around 8 or so...)...
(from vermuelen on Kali brom:)
NERVOUSNESS, fears people, yet can't be alone;
Fidgety. WRINGS HANDS. "HANDS and FINGERS in CONSTANT MOTION" [Allen].
Best,
A
==========================
STRAM
I. Synopsis (Identifying Features):
to be held (Zinc). Fear of death. Pupils widely dilated; stares at persons
in terror till satisfied that there is no need to fear.
2. Child awakes terrified, knows no one, screams in fright and clings
to those around. Awakes with shrieking, looks as if afraid of things she
sees.
3. Loquacity with red face, delirium, mania. Speech incoherent,
Excessive loquacity during menses.
4. Weeps and prays. Praying, beseeching; entreating.
5. Delusions of all sorts, absurd, fantastic; of animals biting; of
fire, of parts of body being enormously large, being double; of ghosts, etc
FEAR from the delusion.
6. Violent effects; typhoid. violent convulsions; Violent distortions
and haemorrhages. Violent perspiration. Vicious septic states and catarrhal
inflammation.
7. Painlessness with most complaints usually painful (except severe hip
- joint pain); abscesses esp. left hip driving one to despair.
8. Jerking head up from pillow and then letting it drop back (in
unconscious delirium).
9. Suppressions of all secretions and excretions - urine, stools,
menses, lochia, sweat, eruptions (but saliva copious).
11. Fear of water - hydrophobia - excessive aversion to liquids; spasms of
throat on attempting to drink.
IX. Peculiar, Uncommon, Grand Characteristics:
1. Mind - Bites or tears things with his teeth.
2. Mind - Delirium more than the temperature warrants.
3. Mind - Religious mania; praying, despair of her salvation.
4. Mind - Speech stammering, difficult, unintelligible, makes great
effort to speak.
5. Mind - Things look black. Spoke of black objects, people and black
clouds.
6. Eye - Squint, in brain affections during convulsions, aggr. from
terror or fear.
7. Eyes - Pupils dilated immediately the child is reprimanded.
8. Nose - Alae nasi white, while the face is red.
9. Face - Expression - anxious look, of great suffering; forehead
wrinkled. Face flushed, hot, raging fever, hot head, cold extremities. Fever
usually continuous (Bell. intermittent).
10. Face - Wrinkles on forehead in brain symptoms or associated with
headache. (Caust., Hyos., Phos., Sulph.).
11. Mouth - Chewing motion, lockjaw.
12. Mouth - Tongue - rough, raw, stiff as if paralysed.
13. Stomach - Vomiting as soon as he raises the head from the pillow.
14. Back - Lies on back with thighs and knees flexed.
15. Extremities - Abscess of left hip joint (or panaritium), with
inflammation, pus, vicious septic state.
16. Fever - At noon.
17. Generalities - Graceful twitching of facial muscles.
18. Generalities - Convulsions - spasms violent the movement the cup of
water touches his lips.
19. Generalities - Convulsions alternating with excitement or rage.
Convulsions in children. Clonic - with consciousness, sometimes without.
during dentition, epileptiform, during heat - puerperal at sight of water.
One side paralysed, the other convulsed.
20. Urine - Flows slowly in old men; no force to the stream; dribbling
urine. Strong odour of urine during menses.
21. Skin - Hot, burning with oily sweat (Phos.).
22. Sweat - During sweat cannot bear to be uncovered.
23. Sleep - Restless tossing about; children cry out in sleep. Sleep in
kneeling position.
24. Dreams - Anxious; confused; historic; frightful.
TARENT
motion aggravates. He runs about rather than walk. Must be doing something
all the time (Kali br.).
2. Hysterical.: Twitching and jerking, as soon as attention is turned
to her. When there are no observers, she has no hysterical attacks.
3. Feigned paroxysms; feigns fainting and insensibility; looks sideways
to observe the effect on those around her. Foxy.
4. Sudden fox - like destructive efforts, requiring utmost vigilance to
prevent damage; followed by laughter and apologies. Suddenly sprang away
from attendants, swept ornaments from mantlepiece; said she was sorry but
could not help it.
5. Incredible quickness; jumps out of bed and smashes something before
she can be prevented.
6. Unusually sensitive to music which ameliorates all complaints. When
music is turned on, she would jump about and dance.
7. Mood changeable; from gaiety to sadness; from fixed ideas or
uneasiness of mind. Fits of nervous laughter; desire to joke, play, laugh.
8. Very mischievous and destructive; amusing and cheerful.
9. Colours, sensitive to - averse to green, red, yellow or black.
Attracted by them alternately.
10. Periodicity of complaints - at the same hour, yearly, on the day
she was bitten by the spider, or every 21st day.
HYOS
I. Synopsis (Identifying features):
1. Ailments from unhappy/disappointed love with jealousy. Suspicious,
fear of being betrayed.
2. Fear of being alone, of being poisoned and hence refuses to take
medicine.
3. Many bewildering aberrations. Lascivious mania, exposes his person,
sings obscene songs. Illusions of fancy. Sees images; hears voices. Familiar
things seen strange.
4. In the course of fevers, especially typhoid, delirium, twitching of
muscles, picking of bed - clothes, or catches things in the air. The
delirium is not violent and active as in Bell. or Stram., but passive,
muttering.
5. Foolish look, silly laughter, hysteria.
6. Lives an inward life of delusions and hallucinations. Smiling in
sleep.
7. Cough dry, spasmodic; agg. lying down, at night. Completely relieved
by sitting up.
8. Long continued sleeplessness.
VIII. Peculiar, Uncommon, Grand Characteristics:
1. Mind - Delirium - low muttering - alternates between mild and
violent.
2. Mind - Delirium - with pale weak face (Bell red face and throbbing
carotids).
3. Mind - Extreme fear of water (Stram., Lyss.)
4. Mind - Objects appear larger than they really are.
5. Mind - Senile dementia.
6. Ear - Deafness due to paralysis of auditory nerve.
7. Throat - Choking, constricting when drinking.
8. Abdomen - Hiccough after abdominal operation.
9. Urine - Involuntary urination and stool (typhoid) - local paralysis.
10. Cough - Cough amel. sitting up (ceases totally - Dros.).
11. Cough - Cough from elongated vulva, agg. night, agg. lying down,
agg. eating, drinking, cold air.
12. Extremities - Angular motion of arms and body.
13. Sleep - Sleeplessness from cares of business, real or imaginary.
14. Sleep - Sleeplessness from nervous excitement (Cimic., Coff.)
15. Dreams - Of animals; busy; frightful.
16. Fever - Fever with desire to uncover.
17. General - Epileptic attacks end in sleep and snoring.
18. General - Shrieking before and during epileptic convulsions.
19. General - Twitching of muscles from head to toe, even of solitary
muscle.
((( Fear of dark (though in past); fearful plus gestures--my first thought
was stram. Stram is a big one for involuntary hand motions. Might be an
etiological layer of fright. In Herscus schema, the next layer down might
be a nosode, then Calc or another typical childhood remedy that you have
perceived. Tarent has aversion spicy, -- very restless rx. Hyos and
stram probably the biggest initial thoughts for hand gestures but lots of
other rx.
======================
Various searches which I hope helpful:
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand [rem] fear [sen] alone: acon., agar.,
ars., ars-s-f., atro., 2bell., bry., calc-p., camph., carc., caust., cic.,
hydr-ac., hyos., kali-br., merc., nat-c., nat-m., nux-m., nux-v., op.,
phos., 3Plb., puls., sep., sil., 2stram., stry., tab., tarent.1202, verat.
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand [rem] fear [sen] alone [rem] averse
[sen] seasoned/spicy: 3Phos., plb., 2puls., sil., 2tarent.1202
Gestures [sen] involuntary [rem] fear [sen] dark [rem] averse [sen]
seasoned/spicy: 3Hep.8, 3Phos., 3Puls., sil., sulph., tarent.
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand [rem] averse [sen] seasoned/spicy:
fl-ac., 2mosch., 3Phos., plb., 3Puls., sang., sil., sulph., 3Tarent.1202
If Gestures is the main peculiar in the case, this might be useful:
Gestures [sen] involuntary [sen] hand: acon., agar., alumn., 2ars.,
ars-s-f., atro., bapt., bell., bry., calc-p., camph., cann-i., canth.,
carb-an., carc., caust., cic., coca, fl-ac., hydr-ac., hyos., kali-br.,
merc., mosch., nat-c., nat-m., nux-m., nux-v., op., phos., plb., puls.,
sang., sars., sep., sil., 3Stram., stry., sulph., tab., tarent.1202, verat.
HYOS, STRAM, TARENT three interesting rx to compare in fear+hand gestures.
Stramonium, tarent, hyos according to Gunavante is below, in case this of
help. Stram will be wide-eyed as if alert in fright, Tarent slightly foxy
(cf Moschus); Hyos quiet and somewhat ashamed-looking. Lots of other rx of
course. Have seen Kali-br in a child of this sort, for example (peculiar in
that case was maturbation and "flooding" in a child of around 8 or so...)...
(from vermuelen on Kali brom:)
NERVOUSNESS, fears people, yet can't be alone;
Fidgety. WRINGS HANDS. "HANDS and FINGERS in CONSTANT MOTION" [Allen].
Best,
A
==========================
STRAM
I. Synopsis (Identifying Features):
to be held (Zinc). Fear of death. Pupils widely dilated; stares at persons
in terror till satisfied that there is no need to fear.
2. Child awakes terrified, knows no one, screams in fright and clings
to those around. Awakes with shrieking, looks as if afraid of things she
sees.
3. Loquacity with red face, delirium, mania. Speech incoherent,
Excessive loquacity during menses.
4. Weeps and prays. Praying, beseeching; entreating.
5. Delusions of all sorts, absurd, fantastic; of animals biting; of
fire, of parts of body being enormously large, being double; of ghosts, etc
FEAR from the delusion.
6. Violent effects; typhoid. violent convulsions; Violent distortions
and haemorrhages. Violent perspiration. Vicious septic states and catarrhal
inflammation.
7. Painlessness with most complaints usually painful (except severe hip
- joint pain); abscesses esp. left hip driving one to despair.
8. Jerking head up from pillow and then letting it drop back (in
unconscious delirium).
9. Suppressions of all secretions and excretions - urine, stools,
menses, lochia, sweat, eruptions (but saliva copious).
11. Fear of water - hydrophobia - excessive aversion to liquids; spasms of
throat on attempting to drink.
IX. Peculiar, Uncommon, Grand Characteristics:
1. Mind - Bites or tears things with his teeth.
2. Mind - Delirium more than the temperature warrants.
3. Mind - Religious mania; praying, despair of her salvation.
4. Mind - Speech stammering, difficult, unintelligible, makes great
effort to speak.
5. Mind - Things look black. Spoke of black objects, people and black
clouds.
6. Eye - Squint, in brain affections during convulsions, aggr. from
terror or fear.
7. Eyes - Pupils dilated immediately the child is reprimanded.
8. Nose - Alae nasi white, while the face is red.
9. Face - Expression - anxious look, of great suffering; forehead
wrinkled. Face flushed, hot, raging fever, hot head, cold extremities. Fever
usually continuous (Bell. intermittent).
10. Face - Wrinkles on forehead in brain symptoms or associated with
headache. (Caust., Hyos., Phos., Sulph.).
11. Mouth - Chewing motion, lockjaw.
12. Mouth - Tongue - rough, raw, stiff as if paralysed.
13. Stomach - Vomiting as soon as he raises the head from the pillow.
14. Back - Lies on back with thighs and knees flexed.
15. Extremities - Abscess of left hip joint (or panaritium), with
inflammation, pus, vicious septic state.
16. Fever - At noon.
17. Generalities - Graceful twitching of facial muscles.
18. Generalities - Convulsions - spasms violent the movement the cup of
water touches his lips.
19. Generalities - Convulsions alternating with excitement or rage.
Convulsions in children. Clonic - with consciousness, sometimes without.
during dentition, epileptiform, during heat - puerperal at sight of water.
One side paralysed, the other convulsed.
20. Urine - Flows slowly in old men; no force to the stream; dribbling
urine. Strong odour of urine during menses.
21. Skin - Hot, burning with oily sweat (Phos.).
22. Sweat - During sweat cannot bear to be uncovered.
23. Sleep - Restless tossing about; children cry out in sleep. Sleep in
kneeling position.
24. Dreams - Anxious; confused; historic; frightful.
TARENT
motion aggravates. He runs about rather than walk. Must be doing something
all the time (Kali br.).
2. Hysterical.: Twitching and jerking, as soon as attention is turned
to her. When there are no observers, she has no hysterical attacks.
3. Feigned paroxysms; feigns fainting and insensibility; looks sideways
to observe the effect on those around her. Foxy.
4. Sudden fox - like destructive efforts, requiring utmost vigilance to
prevent damage; followed by laughter and apologies. Suddenly sprang away
from attendants, swept ornaments from mantlepiece; said she was sorry but
could not help it.
5. Incredible quickness; jumps out of bed and smashes something before
she can be prevented.
6. Unusually sensitive to music which ameliorates all complaints. When
music is turned on, she would jump about and dance.
7. Mood changeable; from gaiety to sadness; from fixed ideas or
uneasiness of mind. Fits of nervous laughter; desire to joke, play, laugh.
8. Very mischievous and destructive; amusing and cheerful.
9. Colours, sensitive to - averse to green, red, yellow or black.
Attracted by them alternately.
10. Periodicity of complaints - at the same hour, yearly, on the day
she was bitten by the spider, or every 21st day.
HYOS
I. Synopsis (Identifying features):
1. Ailments from unhappy/disappointed love with jealousy. Suspicious,
fear of being betrayed.
2. Fear of being alone, of being poisoned and hence refuses to take
medicine.
3. Many bewildering aberrations. Lascivious mania, exposes his person,
sings obscene songs. Illusions of fancy. Sees images; hears voices. Familiar
things seen strange.
4. In the course of fevers, especially typhoid, delirium, twitching of
muscles, picking of bed - clothes, or catches things in the air. The
delirium is not violent and active as in Bell. or Stram., but passive,
muttering.
5. Foolish look, silly laughter, hysteria.
6. Lives an inward life of delusions and hallucinations. Smiling in
sleep.
7. Cough dry, spasmodic; agg. lying down, at night. Completely relieved
by sitting up.
8. Long continued sleeplessness.
VIII. Peculiar, Uncommon, Grand Characteristics:
1. Mind - Delirium - low muttering - alternates between mild and
violent.
2. Mind - Delirium - with pale weak face (Bell red face and throbbing
carotids).
3. Mind - Extreme fear of water (Stram., Lyss.)
4. Mind - Objects appear larger than they really are.
5. Mind - Senile dementia.
6. Ear - Deafness due to paralysis of auditory nerve.
7. Throat - Choking, constricting when drinking.
8. Abdomen - Hiccough after abdominal operation.
9. Urine - Involuntary urination and stool (typhoid) - local paralysis.
10. Cough - Cough amel. sitting up (ceases totally - Dros.).
11. Cough - Cough from elongated vulva, agg. night, agg. lying down,
agg. eating, drinking, cold air.
12. Extremities - Angular motion of arms and body.
13. Sleep - Sleeplessness from cares of business, real or imaginary.
14. Sleep - Sleeplessness from nervous excitement (Cimic., Coff.)
15. Dreams - Of animals; busy; frightful.
16. Fever - Fever with desire to uncover.
17. General - Epileptic attacks end in sleep and snoring.
18. General - Shrieking before and during epileptic convulsions.
19. General - Twitching of muscles from head to toe, even of solitary
muscle.
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Rochelle Marsden
- Posts: 2005
- Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:00 pm
Re: Gestures
Thanks Andy for one of your usual comprehensive posts. I found all those
rubrics but am not sure how "voluntary" it is. I want to know what she does
when wearing a T shirt in the summer!! Mmm Stram I will look into.
All the best
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
rubrics but am not sure how "voluntary" it is. I want to know what she does
when wearing a T shirt in the summer!! Mmm Stram I will look into.
All the best
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
Re: Gestures
I think there will be a lot "hmmm" remedies - kali brom came to my mind
with a level of embarrassment because they care about their position in
society/cliques at school, fearfulness and/or fright, fidgety hands
(usually something to do with guilt, cover up, doesn't want to talk to
you or open up) and this fidgeting can be suggestive of a lot of
turmoil going on. It is a also a rx for puberty which is very much a
turmoil time, both hormonally and emotionally.
But what needs to be cured here?
Best, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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with a level of embarrassment because they care about their position in
society/cliques at school, fearfulness and/or fright, fidgety hands
(usually something to do with guilt, cover up, doesn't want to talk to
you or open up) and this fidgeting can be suggestive of a lot of
turmoil going on. It is a also a rx for puberty which is very much a
turmoil time, both hormonally and emotionally.
But what needs to be cured here?
Best, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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Rochelle Marsden
- Posts: 2005
- Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:00 pm
Re: Gestures
Thanks Joy- I have prescribed Kali Brom before and think I know the picture
in an adolescent and she doesn't fit it. The hand action isn't right really
either.
What needs to be cured here? Good question. According to her parents her
eating habits in that they are not adventurous enough and that she only has
a limited range of food that she eats. Personally I don't see that at all on
questioning her. I would like to sort the gestures, fear of the dark
out,and her concentration although the last 2 have apparently improved. I
told father last time that I would see her one more time as didn't really
think there was much wrong with her. because I felt there had been an
improvement I have gone up on the Calc to 1M and said I would see her again.
Regards
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk
in an adolescent and she doesn't fit it. The hand action isn't right really
either.
What needs to be cured here? Good question. According to her parents her
eating habits in that they are not adventurous enough and that she only has
a limited range of food that she eats. Personally I don't see that at all on
questioning her. I would like to sort the gestures, fear of the dark
out,and her concentration although the last 2 have apparently improved. I
told father last time that I would see her one more time as didn't really
think there was much wrong with her. because I felt there had been an
improvement I have gone up on the Calc to 1M and said I would see her again.
Regards
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath, EFT(Advanced)Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk