Thanks Dr.Little- Reading your reply gave me a lot of pleasure like
watching Chicken Little with my children. And I know that if we
remove miasms from the equation the sky is not going to fall down on
any homeopathic head…
This is not a reply but a statement of my position and is addressed
to all those who like me lose way in miasmatic morass – the silent
minority if you will.
So like you said this does not need any long discussion. But Little
did I expect that Little's reply would strengthen my position which
it does.
First some defense: I have never said that "cause doesn't matter,
miasms don't matter, circumstances don't matter, knowledge of
pathology doesn't matter". In fact the opposite is true (except
miasms). Even about miasms I agree with the concept – that
infections leave behind their after effects. I clearly
differentiated between acute and chronic prescribing. I have given
intercurrents and also nosodes – Before putting me on the spot if
any one searches a "Little" more my past posts it might be better.
Where is the debate? Syphilis causes syphilis miasm, gonorrhea
causes sycosis and apart from "soft tissue infections" which is
psora, TB causes pseudo psora and all the rest well- acute or semi-
acute… Why? We understand the inner workings of infections and
their long term effects more and more with current research. Heck –
nobody even knew about chronic virus diseases in those days. But why
should we stop with the existing miasms…
Take away the concept. With good history-taking and with clear
focused biochemic tests and tests for other markers we can find out
the "chronic infectious states" that a patient is suffering from.
Moreover in this day and world where there are so many new remedies
how many of these have been proved as "collective remedies" so that
they can be used as anti-miasmic ones? We can only say Butterfly
200c is anti-syphilitic only in dream-proving or meditatively.
At the same time – all remedies we have are in general collective
provings. They are not from any one person and they contain a
spectrum of miasmatic individuals even if they have not been given
in any miasmatic condition.
Collective approach to diseases is also seen in allopathy. It is not
the prerogative of homeopathy. How do we get the symptoms and signs
of disease in medical books? – surely not from one person. The study
of diseases is much deeper and extensive now than earlier days as
are the epidemiological studies. We are not taking advantage of any
of these but still keep on talking about miasms ….
We should take what allopathic science gives us and go beyond that-
do not stop with the disease symptoms but also include the symptoms
of the individual etc. etc. and the effects of the past ( which
includes past infections ) and genetics ( which includes
inheritance). Miasm as a concept that infections leave traces is
OK. But otherwise it is not useful.
In this same thread someone was commenting on miasms in plants and
animals. If animals and plants can have syphilitic miasm – (how is
it possible if getting syphilis causes syphilitic miasm?) Dogs get
tumors ( sycosis like) and chronic ulcers like syphilis…where does
that leaves us? Look at the contradiction right there. That is
whole point. This miasm business is a nebulous creature.
Instead ,even in dogs, if we concentrate on their history – what
diseases / infections did they suffer – for what diseases do they
serve as carriers etc. that is what would help us. Instead of saying
Sulphur is anti-psoric, we will acknowledge that it can eradicate
the traces of so and so infections – as Syphilinum or Mercury can
for others ( not necessarily just syphilis..) In fact Psorinum can
get rid of secondary and tertiary syphilis as well ( Ref Boericke).
How does this happen?
As for allowing all the metaphysical and other theories – haven't we
come across so many admonitions about the "scientific" background of
homeopathy? I have been repeatedly stressing that what we need is a
consensus based on clinical knowledge and "actionable" knowledge(
which is how does it help in practice) and not theories by moon-
shiners and conference-hall-fly-by-nighters…Classical masters
observations have been rock-solid and proven in the field. We need
to follow those first.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, David Little wrote:
a
just a
of-
at
do
there
on
clinically
miasms. I
up with
remedies
of
on the
person.
collective
bit of
and
genetic,
generations
their
chronic
affects
whooping
includes
soft tissue
patient who
patient
patient
clinical view
helps in
we
collective
case
diseases and
concerns
infectious
transmission.
patients
genus
remove
few examples.
insects
for
remedy
symptoms
their
pass. One
patient nor
treat the
symptoms
symptoms of
disorder.
potential to
Therefore, the
picture for a
remedies.
uses the
understanding
through a
state
the
contacts,
group case
person who
writing
Hahnemann's
sometimes find
not
characteristic
intercurrents, which
Hering which
a "clinical"
remedies
beauty is
why not
approach
are
any
cases. If
its
presiding
state.
stages,
acting
to them.
organic
cases of
remove the
infections that
areas were
I
miasms. It
information
of data
misses the
that
anamnesis. This
insights into
This is a
circumstances
matters but
the1820s.
remedies to
symptoms and
knowledge of the
quite
one
view of
everything or
these
sure are
teachings offer
a
abortive and
been
that the
far. I am
list
needs no more
Homoeopathic
Please save me and Homeopathy from miasms 1
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muthu kumar
- Posts: 1208
- Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:00 pm
Re: Please save me and Homeopathy from miasms 1
Sounds like the discussion is less whether miasms themselves are important, more the priority they should be given. First solid case taking, materia medica knowledge and analysis based on the facts as presented, then miasmatic prescribing if the straightforward way doesn't help. Isn't that how Hahnemann came to miasmatic prescribing in the first place - as a way to work when diseases kept coming back?
Vera
hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Thanks Dr.Little- Reading your reply gave me a lot of pleasure like
watching Chicken Little with my children. And I know that if we
remove miasms from the equation the sky is not going to fall down on
any homeopathic head…
This is not a reply but a statement of my position and is addressed
to all those who like me lose way in miasmatic morass – the silent
minority if you will.
So like you said this does not need any long discussion. But Little
did I expect that Little's reply would strengthen my position which
it does.
First some defense: I have never said that "cause doesn't matter,
miasms don't matter, circumstances don't matter, knowledge of
pathology doesn't matter". In fact the opposite is true (except
miasms). Even about miasms I agree with the concept – that
infections leave behind their after effects. I clearly
differentiated between acute and chronic prescribing. I have given
intercurrents and also nosodes – Before putting me on the spot if
any one searches a "Little" more my past posts it might be better.
Where is the debate? Syphilis causes syphilis miasm, gonorrhea
causes sycosis and apart from "soft tissue infections" which is
psora, TB causes pseudo psora and all the rest well- acute or semi-
acute… Why? We understand the inner workings of infections and
their long term effects more and more with current research. Heck –
nobody even knew about chronic virus diseases in those days. But why
should we stop with the existing miasms…
Take away the concept. With good history-taking and with clear
focused biochemic tests and tests for other markers we can find out
the "chronic infectious states" that a patient is suffering from.
Moreover in this day and world where there are so many new remedies
how many of these have been proved as "collective remedies" so that
they can be used as anti-miasmic ones? We can only say Butterfly
200c is anti-syphilitic only in dream-proving or meditatively.
At the same time – all remedies we have are in general collective
provings. They are not from any one person and they contain a
spectrum of miasmatic individuals even if they have not been given
in any miasmatic condition.
Collective approach to diseases is also seen in allopathy. It is not
the prerogative of homeopathy. How do we get the symptoms and signs
of disease in medical books? – surely not from one person. The study
of diseases is much deeper and extensive now than earlier days as
are the epidemiological studies. We are not taking advantage of any
of these but still keep on talking about miasms ….
We should take what allopathic science gives us and go beyond that-
do not stop with the disease symptoms but also include the symptoms
of the individual etc. etc. and the effects of the past ( which
includes past infections ) and genetics ( which includes
inheritance). Miasm as a concept that infections leave traces is
OK. But otherwise it is not useful.
In this same thread someone was commenting on miasms in plants and
animals. If animals and plants can have syphilitic miasm – (how is
it possible if getting syphilis causes syphilitic miasm?) Dogs get
tumors ( sycosis like) and chronic ulcers like syphilis…where does
that leaves us? Look at the contradiction right there. That is
whole point. This miasm business is a nebulous creature.
Instead ,even in dogs, if we concentrate on their history – what
diseases / infections did they suffer – for what diseases do they
serve as carriers etc. that is what would help us. Instead of saying
Sulphur is anti-psoric, we will acknowledge that it can eradicate
the traces of so and so infections – as Syphilinum or Mercury can
for others ( not necessarily just syphilis..) In fact Psorinum can
get rid of secondary and tertiary syphilis as well ( Ref Boericke).
How does this happen?
As for allowing all the metaphysical and other theories – haven't we
come across so many admonitions about the "scientific" background of
homeopathy? I have been repeatedly stressing that what we need is a
consensus based on clinical knowledge and "actionable" knowledge(
which is how does it help in practice) and not theories by moon-
shiners and conference-hall-fly-by-nighters…Classical masters
observations have been rock-solid and proven in the field. We need
to follow those first.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, David Little wrote:
a
just a
of-
at
do
there
on
clinically
miasms. I
up with
remedies
of
on the
person.
collective
bit of
and
genetic,
generations
their
chronic
affects
whooping
includes
soft tissue
patient who
patient
patient
clinical view
helps in
we
collective
case
diseases and
concerns
infectious
transmission.
patients
genus
remove
few examples.
insects
for
remedy
symptoms
their
pass. One
patient nor
treat the
symptoms
symptoms of
disorder.
potential to
Therefore, the
picture for a
remedies.
uses the
understanding
through a
state
the
contacts,
group case
person who
writing
Hahnemann's
sometimes find
not
characteristic
intercurrents, which
Hering which
a "clinical"
remedies
beauty is
why not
approach
are
any
cases. If
its
presiding
state.
stages,
acting
to them.
organic
cases of
remove the
infections that
areas were
I
miasms. It
information
of data
misses the
that
anamnesis. This
insights into
This is a
circumstances
matters but
the1820s.
remedies to
symptoms and
knowledge of the
quite
one
view of
everything or
these
sure are
teachings offer
a
abortive and
been
that the
far. I am
list
needs no more
Homoeopathic
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hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Thanks Dr.Little- Reading your reply gave me a lot of pleasure like
watching Chicken Little with my children. And I know that if we
remove miasms from the equation the sky is not going to fall down on
any homeopathic head…
This is not a reply but a statement of my position and is addressed
to all those who like me lose way in miasmatic morass – the silent
minority if you will.
So like you said this does not need any long discussion. But Little
did I expect that Little's reply would strengthen my position which
it does.
First some defense: I have never said that "cause doesn't matter,
miasms don't matter, circumstances don't matter, knowledge of
pathology doesn't matter". In fact the opposite is true (except
miasms). Even about miasms I agree with the concept – that
infections leave behind their after effects. I clearly
differentiated between acute and chronic prescribing. I have given
intercurrents and also nosodes – Before putting me on the spot if
any one searches a "Little" more my past posts it might be better.
Where is the debate? Syphilis causes syphilis miasm, gonorrhea
causes sycosis and apart from "soft tissue infections" which is
psora, TB causes pseudo psora and all the rest well- acute or semi-
acute… Why? We understand the inner workings of infections and
their long term effects more and more with current research. Heck –
nobody even knew about chronic virus diseases in those days. But why
should we stop with the existing miasms…
Take away the concept. With good history-taking and with clear
focused biochemic tests and tests for other markers we can find out
the "chronic infectious states" that a patient is suffering from.
Moreover in this day and world where there are so many new remedies
how many of these have been proved as "collective remedies" so that
they can be used as anti-miasmic ones? We can only say Butterfly
200c is anti-syphilitic only in dream-proving or meditatively.
At the same time – all remedies we have are in general collective
provings. They are not from any one person and they contain a
spectrum of miasmatic individuals even if they have not been given
in any miasmatic condition.
Collective approach to diseases is also seen in allopathy. It is not
the prerogative of homeopathy. How do we get the symptoms and signs
of disease in medical books? – surely not from one person. The study
of diseases is much deeper and extensive now than earlier days as
are the epidemiological studies. We are not taking advantage of any
of these but still keep on talking about miasms ….
We should take what allopathic science gives us and go beyond that-
do not stop with the disease symptoms but also include the symptoms
of the individual etc. etc. and the effects of the past ( which
includes past infections ) and genetics ( which includes
inheritance). Miasm as a concept that infections leave traces is
OK. But otherwise it is not useful.
In this same thread someone was commenting on miasms in plants and
animals. If animals and plants can have syphilitic miasm – (how is
it possible if getting syphilis causes syphilitic miasm?) Dogs get
tumors ( sycosis like) and chronic ulcers like syphilis…where does
that leaves us? Look at the contradiction right there. That is
whole point. This miasm business is a nebulous creature.
Instead ,even in dogs, if we concentrate on their history – what
diseases / infections did they suffer – for what diseases do they
serve as carriers etc. that is what would help us. Instead of saying
Sulphur is anti-psoric, we will acknowledge that it can eradicate
the traces of so and so infections – as Syphilinum or Mercury can
for others ( not necessarily just syphilis..) In fact Psorinum can
get rid of secondary and tertiary syphilis as well ( Ref Boericke).
How does this happen?
As for allowing all the metaphysical and other theories – haven't we
come across so many admonitions about the "scientific" background of
homeopathy? I have been repeatedly stressing that what we need is a
consensus based on clinical knowledge and "actionable" knowledge(
which is how does it help in practice) and not theories by moon-
shiners and conference-hall-fly-by-nighters…Classical masters
observations have been rock-solid and proven in the field. We need
to follow those first.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, David Little wrote:
a
just a
of-
at
do
there
on
clinically
miasms. I
up with
remedies
of
on the
person.
collective
bit of
and
genetic,
generations
their
chronic
affects
whooping
includes
soft tissue
patient who
patient
patient
clinical view
helps in
we
collective
case
diseases and
concerns
infectious
transmission.
patients
genus
remove
few examples.
insects
for
remedy
symptoms
their
pass. One
patient nor
treat the
symptoms
symptoms of
disorder.
potential to
Therefore, the
picture for a
remedies.
uses the
understanding
through a
state
the
contacts,
group case
person who
writing
Hahnemann's
sometimes find
not
characteristic
intercurrents, which
Hering which
a "clinical"
remedies
beauty is
why not
approach
are
any
cases. If
its
presiding
state.
stages,
acting
to them.
organic
cases of
remove the
infections that
areas were
I
miasms. It
information
of data
misses the
that
anamnesis. This
insights into
This is a
circumstances
matters but
the1820s.
remedies to
symptoms and
knowledge of the
quite
one
view of
everything or
these
sure are
teachings offer
a
abortive and
been
that the
far. I am
list
needs no more
Homoeopathic
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Re: Please save me and Homeopathy from miasms 1
That's the way it is. and should be. And after this analysis etc. if
one would want to prescribe according to what one's understanding of
miasm is, I do not have any problem. We have delusions based
prescriptions, so why not miasms? What got me started on this
"extreme" path was - the discussions and debates about what is psora
and the way a condition is described as going from psora to syphilis
and whatever. Much of what goes as miasmatic prescribing can be done
without it with a proper understanding of the patient and his/her
background. Some say animals can get miasmatic ( yes they can and do).
but certainly not sycosis? They would get the miasms ( disease
remnants) according to their diseases and not from gonorrhoea - etc.
If we allow that then if animals can have other kinds of miasms - then
why not humans? If we accept this argument then the whole miasm
concept is now wide open for reinterpretation. WHich is exactly what I
am saying.
I do not deny that infections leave remnants. I am just saying that
1) this should not be confined to the existing ones - at least in
this I concur with Rajan sankaran. Is Cancer a separate miasm,
combination of all three or all of the above?
2) If we are talking about infections and their effects there are
other better ways of doing it since this whole miasm from Hahnemann's
time has been based on insufficient knowledge of infections, genetics
and epidemiology etc. THink of what MLTyler and HARoberts wrote about
miasms. Means that they also had different ideas about this.
3) THe concept has become so laden with meaning if we want to make any
sense of it now, better ditch the term and start fresh to understand
what is happening since nobody can correctly map from what Hahnemann
had said on this to the present reality of practice.
4)I have practiced from this viewpoint and never had any problems
dealing with Chronic diseases. I give nosodes based on what people
have suffered in the past, based on causation etc. plus the
longitudinal leanings of the patient - what kind of diseases/symptoms
does she or he get - ulcers, headaches, whatever over a period of
time and then work out the remedy. I have never spent time splitting
hairs analyzing whether this is psoric or syphilitic...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, VR VR wrote:
important, more the priority they should be given. First solid case
taking, materia medica knowledge and analysis based on the facts as
presented, then miasmatic prescribing if the straightforward way
doesn't help. Isn't that how Hahnemann came to miasmatic prescribing
in the first place - as a way to work when diseases kept coming back?
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one would want to prescribe according to what one's understanding of
miasm is, I do not have any problem. We have delusions based
prescriptions, so why not miasms? What got me started on this
"extreme" path was - the discussions and debates about what is psora
and the way a condition is described as going from psora to syphilis
and whatever. Much of what goes as miasmatic prescribing can be done
without it with a proper understanding of the patient and his/her
background. Some say animals can get miasmatic ( yes they can and do).
but certainly not sycosis? They would get the miasms ( disease
remnants) according to their diseases and not from gonorrhoea - etc.
If we allow that then if animals can have other kinds of miasms - then
why not humans? If we accept this argument then the whole miasm
concept is now wide open for reinterpretation. WHich is exactly what I
am saying.
I do not deny that infections leave remnants. I am just saying that
1) this should not be confined to the existing ones - at least in
this I concur with Rajan sankaran. Is Cancer a separate miasm,
combination of all three or all of the above?
2) If we are talking about infections and their effects there are
other better ways of doing it since this whole miasm from Hahnemann's
time has been based on insufficient knowledge of infections, genetics
and epidemiology etc. THink of what MLTyler and HARoberts wrote about
miasms. Means that they also had different ideas about this.
3) THe concept has become so laden with meaning if we want to make any
sense of it now, better ditch the term and start fresh to understand
what is happening since nobody can correctly map from what Hahnemann
had said on this to the present reality of practice.
4)I have practiced from this viewpoint and never had any problems
dealing with Chronic diseases. I give nosodes based on what people
have suffered in the past, based on causation etc. plus the
longitudinal leanings of the patient - what kind of diseases/symptoms
does she or he get - ulcers, headaches, whatever over a period of
time and then work out the remedy. I have never spent time splitting
hairs analyzing whether this is psoric or syphilitic...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, VR VR wrote:
important, more the priority they should be given. First solid case
taking, materia medica knowledge and analysis based on the facts as
presented, then miasmatic prescribing if the straightforward way
doesn't help. Isn't that how Hahnemann came to miasmatic prescribing
in the first place - as a way to work when diseases kept coming back?
Homoeopathy and educational benefit of its members. It makes no
representations regarding the individual suitability of the
information contained in any document read or advice or recommendation
offered which appears on this website and/or email postings for any
purpose. The entire risk arising out of their use remains with the
recipient. In no event shall the minutus site or its individual
members be liable for any direct, consequential, incidental, special,
punitive or other damages whatsoever and howsoever caused.
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