stoic

[ehc]

would appreciate if anyone could suggest rubrics to encompass the term 'stoic'

thanks

Beverly
www.eternalhealthconcepts.com

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[Lynn Cremona]

By using the word Indifferent
and referring to the book "A Modern Guide and index to the Mental
Rubrics of Kents Reportory" by David Sault
apathy, tranquility, quiet disposition, asks for nothing, Amusement
averse to, reserved, Talk indisposed to, Ennui, Irritability lack of,
Painlessness complaints usually painful, reaction lack of

Catherine Coulter gives a much more complex picture of indifference,
than Webster does, and draws a distinction between:
1 - Genuine indifference brought on by physical ailments or mental shock.

2- Pretended indifference which is used to conceal vulnerable
emotions to preserve self control and maintain emotional stability,
manifested by outwardly undemonstrative, reserved manner, or a
negative sounding skepticism, which may mask a different emotional
character within.
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then there are those of a prescribed philosophy of
calm acceptance of all occurrences as the unavoidable result of
divine will or of the natural order.

Lynn
At 10:12 PM 11/23/2005, ehc wrote:
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[Joy Lucas]

To this I would add that if you take the notion of 'stoicism' to an nth
degree then the situation is one of 'unfeeling' and this would provide
a useful rubric - there is no reaction to pain or pleasure, no sense of
sadness or excitement, no recognition of negativity or positive
situations. Makes me think of Aurum, Anacardium, Opium, Platina, the
snakes maybe. Best wishes, Joy
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[muthu kumar]

Why did the term "stoic" come to you? This is basically suffering
without complaining- right? It can be something like Apathy, Dulness,
Exhaustion, Listlessness, Indifference, Quiet, Subdued, Peace,
Serenity, Taciturnity , Torpor, etc.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "ehc" wrote:
term 'stoic'

[ehc]

I am thinking of the people I see who just keep pushing thru everything that
life throws at them, try to stuff the anxiety back down inside and keep
ploughing ahead not letting anything fell them to the ground- usulaly they
have no support systems and just put up with and keep quiet abouteen major
issues that they confront.

thanks for your thoughts everyone

Beverly
www.eternalhealthconcepts.com

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Beverly,
You have to decide to what extent it's a response of "strength", and to
what extent it is e.g. "reserved", "suppressed (suppressed what?)", or
"communication difficult" or "answering, averse to" or "estranged" or
"consolation aggravates" or quite a few other possibilities...
Consider issues around anxiety, fear, insecurity, lack of trust (but
there are other possibilities too).

I'm married to one of those, and have found it *devilishly* hard to
"get a case"! For a few years he did great with nat-m, but he still
doesn't talk, so argh... My main lever has been treating his (very
few) physical injuries and etc., and looking for the occasional welcome
"side effects" from those remedies.

But you might also explore other casetaking methods; different things
work for different people. For *some* of these folks it *might* help
to e.g. throw out a sympathetic (or at least non-judgmental) leading
question, then just stay silent and see what happens. ("It seems as if
you're worried about something...", or etc.) Or ask about childhood
memories, fears, events, etc. Childhood fears are apt to still be part
of the picture, and might be more easily accessed and admitted, versus
probing for fears in the present.

Some people just hate that sort of self-exploration, and you might have
to settle for just a bit of relief here and there with pretty
superficial complaints, and hope that trust will build over time.

Does that seem at all related to the people you're thinking about?
Want to describe any case in particular?
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

Also I've been reading up on conium, and this should probably be
considered too, for this sort of person?
Shannon

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Shannon, Conium is in the 'unfeeling' rubric but only plain type
(1) and perhaps should be higher but I would offer that the 'unfeeling'
with this rx comes in the form of a physical sluggishness and numbness
sensation indicative of a loss of feeling. But there is also a lack of
mental comprehension that is part of this more general state as it <<<
and indifference takes over - perhaps more end stage?

If stoicism is a way of 'learning' to be unresponsive, negating any
leaning towards excitation then I think we know, as homeopaths, that
something has to come from this kind of suppression surely, and none of
it good. So somewhere there will be a reactive state to this stoicism.
In Conium it can be cancer, insanity (can go crazy if their sexual
energies are suppressed), depression, paralysis, total debility, MS
etc.

I once had an 82 year old client who needed Conium - she had taken to
her wheelchair with MS ever since her husband had become ill and her
sexual life was curtailed 40 years earlier. So stoic, yes - but still
reactive in another way. Best wishes, Joy

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[Ellen Madono]

Hi Shannon,

Just echoing what Joy said, my dad's prostate cancer numbers went down very quickly with Conium. At 78, it took him three phone interview sessions to figure out what part of his leg hurt. At first he just kept repeating that his leg hurt. He had some kind of thrombosis in the inner thigh. He was very difficult to interview. His way of handling pain is to ignore it. If he thinks about it, it hurts more. Of course he and his whole family are stoics. All the men are laid low with the same cancer.

What's even worse about the stoicism is as he got better, he completely forgot his previous pain. As a result, he could not comprehend that the remedy was working. So he was a very hard to work with patient. Believe me, I did not choose a stoic for a father.

There are some very nice Conium cases in the Radar EH. I think it was J. Shore who had the case of a small company executive woman.

Blessings,
Ellen
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Ellen!
Oh man, I know the type... How lucky he is to have you on his case!
I'm laughing at the thought that as soon as he's better, he's
forgotten on bad he *had* been, LOL! Had you by any chance written any
quotes from him to remind him of what he'd been thru? (Or maybe not
worth the effort when you've got a "captive audience" anyway, such as a
family member!)

I don't see a case of Shore's on Conium among my cases in RefWorks.
Would you be able to post it? (If that doesn't mean re-typing or
anything?)
Shannon