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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

You've certainly lost me!
What possible homeopathicity can be used to get rid of termites from
a shed?
Homeopathic remedies have to be prescribed on SYMPTOMS to be
HOMEOPATHIC - I thought you knew that?
The termites are'nt showing Sx are they? You can't as far as I know
prescribe for inanimate objects like sheds, but I suppose you could
always try!
How can anyone take any of the definitions of homeopathy seriously
that you and Chris put, and after all that discussion that homeopathy
is scientific!

this gets sillier and sillier!


I'm sorry but it is hilarious!

Simon

[Joy Lucas]

As I have already described the journey of survival of the fittest it
seems pointless to say it again but as a reminder, because you keep
missing things, the homeopathicity takes place as the intervention in
this case as reported by Gaby and the unwanted state was eliminated -
the fittest survived. Leave the situation to itself and the termites
will probably survive - view it as a malignancy if you wish or if it
helps to make the point. But it is only silly to you and others who
also say it is - to others it isn't and I don't have a problem dealing
with the hilarity of others.

How would you define a sx then? Joy

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[Shannon Nelson]

And I think that's one of the (several) problems with the fact that
"homeopathy" has come to be equated with "use of potentized
substances"--they are NOT the same, and it really muddies the waters
not to have that separation made clear!! Homeopathy can be practiced
without use of potentized substances (tho harder and less versatile),
and there are PLENTY of ways to use potentized remedies that are not
(according to Hahnemann's definition) homeopathic.

So I cast my vote with H2002--we really do need to define ourselves,
define our practice. But how, ow...
Shannon

[muthu kumar]

Shannon-
It is not only using of potentized medicines that is in question.
What are we trying to achieve and on what basis? Clearly this is not
practice of medicine and Hahnemann called his work Organon of
medicine...Homeopathy is basically supposed to be aiding vital force
to correct homeostasis and here is that what is happening...( In
fact termites are just doing what they normally do and I do not see
any pathology involved) We are not soil scientists or
exterminators...There are a lot of situations where solutions to
problems seem homeopathic - I have discussed in this forum about
Strategic family therapy etc. and also about how homeopathy is also
part of Ayurveda and Siddha. But even there we are dealing with
human systems and in Strategic family therapy there are indications
of how to do it and since that is psychotherapy there are
psychotherapeutic techniques that are based on prescribing the
symptom itself. They are not giving Lac humanum 200 to all the
people involved and call it homeopathic approach, which is what
seems to be happening here.By the same token if some people want to
destroy the shed can we chase them away by sprinkling Lac Humanum or
maternum on them?By extension can homeopathy be used to preserve
human bodies after death? If we sprinkle Maggots 200 over the dead
body would that work? Once again what is the basis?
Moreover who / what are we curing here? What are we solving? Don't
we have enough problems already dealing with humans and convincing
the public at large without mucking around with ants?

At this point of homoepathic evolution we must pause and consider
why is that Acupuncture which probably entered the Western world
later has more research, acceptance and support than us... what are
the ways that they have that we should follow? Are we seeing anyone
giving or even thinking of giving termites or wooden sheds
acupuncture treatment?

Why did Homoepathy which had so much going for it 100 years ago
including so many hospitals etc. become a fringe medicine? We blame
pharmaceutical big money. That may be part of it but not fully.
Blaming others is NOT homeopathy - homeopathy looks inward for an
answer - not outward. What is it WE ARE DOING WRONG?
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[Shannon Nelson]

I agree that using potentized remedies to chase pests away is not
homeopathy. But does that mean it couldn't work? I don't know. I
don't see any reason not to *try* it (tho I wouldn't be using my own
house for the test!), but I can't see calling it homeopathy.

I mean, for instance, smashing anthills does not become not baseball
just by virtue of using a baseball bat to do it...
Best,
Shannon

[Joy Lucas]

The way I see it is that the shed/termite invasion or dwelling/ant
invasion situation is a metaphor for plant/virus infection or
human/pathology state and somewhere, for each, a homeopathic remedy
could be seen to be effective in some way. If you reject one of these
then you reject all of them. My interest in this is one of curiosity in
trying to understand what is happening. As Gaby says, the Formic acid
was effective so what was happening there? I think this was Chris'
point as well? So, they are just questions to be asked and maybe
answered and not to be considered as doing something wrong. Best
wishes, Joy
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[Jean Doherty]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

Also the challenge to ensure we stick to essential principles needs a
lot of processing which also can be fun. RWIW
I resisted the modality for a year because I thought it too pedantic,

Best Wishes Jean

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I am not formally trained in it, but Anthroposophical Medicine (Steiner)
uses that way for pests and agriculture.

If I remember well, they say that spraying Formic Acid or Formica Rufa will
bring to the living ants the energy, pain and suffering of the ants used in
preparing the remedy, hence making them run away to avoid the same fate.
I might be completely wrong and if somebody who really knows anthroposophy
is on the list, please correct me, many years since I read anything in that
speciality.

But it is once again the use of dynamised substances with different
principles and different laws of function.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[Jon van Hoffen]

The methods used by Biodynamic farmers use potentised substances, but they
can't be called homoeopathic. Biodynamic 'peppers' (as they are called) are
made from either the whole plant or animal, as in the case of insects, or
part of the animal. Usually a strip of skin of the back in case of mammals
or birds, which are burned at the time of certain astrological positions.
These ashes are then mixed with water (usually no trituration is used) and
serially diluted. Most common potencies used for spraying are 7x or 8x, but
other potencies are used as well. Often the ashes are used straight, without
any potentisation.
Peppers really do work well, and I would recommend them in case of white
ants. It works especially well if you do not use the pepper on the whole
property, but leave an area where whatever you are trying to get rid of can
live and feed.
I agree with some of the other people on this list that this is not
homoeopathy, and instead of using homoeopathic remedies in this way I would
recommend people read up on biodynamics and use the methods that Steiner
suggested.

Jon van Hoffen

[Shannon Nelson]

It's an intriguing situation, and if formic acid does indeed work, I
for one would find that marvelous! (But what connection do termites
have with formic acid--or was that for ants...) But to my mind it's a
completely different situation from plant/virus or human/pathology, for
two reasons: One that in homeopathy, we are trying to *strengthen the
host*, rather than attack the "pest"; and second, (laughing) in
homeopathy, we are (so to speak) enhancing the vital force of a live
creature, and even if that shed is seriously haunted, I don't think it
qualifies! Or are we trying to cure the termites of being termites, or
?
Shannon