Dear Colleagues
Although some might regard me as naive, I am hoping that by getting the gang of sceptics to reprove a remedy it will show them the power of a 30C remedy and how something diluted beyond Avagadro's number is still powerful.
I am mindful that we should not get into a legal tangle with these guys should they suffer from the proving - unlikely though it is.
Also that it should be a TIGHT schedule so that the results can be published somewhere and not be accused of sloppy work and or fraud.
Please therefore study the attachment and I should be most grateful of any comments you may have.
Please put on your negative glasses and view it as if you were my opponent.
With kindest regards
(Homeopathy for ever)
Soroush
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Re-Proving Protocol
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Re: Re-Proving Protocol
Dear Colleagues
Although some might regard me as naive, I am hoping that by getting the gang of sceptics to reprove a remedy it will show them the power of a 30C remedy and how something diluted beyond Avagadro's number is still powerful.
I am mindful that we should not get into a legal tangle with these guys should they suffer from the proving - unlikely though it is.
Also that it should be a TIGHT schedule so that the results can be published somewhere and not be accused of sloppy work and or fraud.
Please therefore study the protocol below and I should be most grateful of any comments you may have.
Please put on your negative glasses and view it as if you were my opponent.
With kindest regards
(Homeopathy for ever)
Soroush
Protocol for Reproving
1- Only master-reprover and Helios pharmacy will know the identity of the remedy be reproved. Sealed envelopes will be sent to each supervising homoeopath containing the name of the remedy and also photocopies of the properties of the remedy from Clarke's Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica - The sealed envelope will be shown to the reprover and he will also sign across the back of the envelope across all the seams and a clear adhesive tape is place over the signatures so that it may not be tampered with. This envelope is to be opened at the end of the reproving.
2- Containers of Remedies to be produced by Helios in UK and sealed so that they may not be tampered with. They should have code identification number and batch numbers.
3- Four weeks before the proving, the remedy will be sent directly by Helios to a laboratory nominated by the re-prover. The cost of any analysis is for the account of re-prover.
4- Little safes to be provided by the provers so that after he has taken the remedy in front of the homeopath, the remedy bottled is locked in the mini-safe and the safe is held by the homoeopath and the key is kept by the prover so that no one tampers with the remedy.
5- On first attending the offices of the supervising homoeopath, the volunteer will bring a statement signed and notarised stating that he is in good health and sound mind and that he is volunteering for this experiment and at no time and under no circumstances will he make any claim whatsoever against anyone associated in any manner with this proving whether directly or indirectly. And also that the master prover is free to reveal the name (but not full address) of the prover when making a final report of the conclusions of the trail and reproving exercise.
6- Before the re-proving, the volunteer's case is taken by the supervisor homoeopath. Only if the volunteer is deemed to in good health the reproving will go ahead.
7- The reproving will commence as early as possible in the morning, with the dose being repeated after every 6 hours until the re-prover starts to complain of symptoms. His symptoms are then taken in full. The re-prover should sign and date the case statement taken by the homoeopath.
8- This is immediately reported to the master re-prover for a decision to be taken regarding whether the proving should go on or be stopped.
9- If the proving continues, at each status monitoring session the patient's statements are recorded by the homoeopath and then signed by the patient and the homoeopath.
10- When the reproving is stopped, The reprover will check the seals of the envelope and make a fresh signed statement that the seals are in tact. The seal is then broken and the remedy is identified.
11- The prover's symptoms are then compared with Clarkes' descriptions of the symptoms produced by the remedy at earlier provings.
12- The reprover then signs another statement stating whether he agrees that a match exists and if not why not (Compared to the symptoms he had signed before).
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Although some might regard me as naive, I am hoping that by getting the gang of sceptics to reprove a remedy it will show them the power of a 30C remedy and how something diluted beyond Avagadro's number is still powerful.
I am mindful that we should not get into a legal tangle with these guys should they suffer from the proving - unlikely though it is.
Also that it should be a TIGHT schedule so that the results can be published somewhere and not be accused of sloppy work and or fraud.
Please therefore study the protocol below and I should be most grateful of any comments you may have.
Please put on your negative glasses and view it as if you were my opponent.
With kindest regards
(Homeopathy for ever)
Soroush
Protocol for Reproving
1- Only master-reprover and Helios pharmacy will know the identity of the remedy be reproved. Sealed envelopes will be sent to each supervising homoeopath containing the name of the remedy and also photocopies of the properties of the remedy from Clarke's Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica - The sealed envelope will be shown to the reprover and he will also sign across the back of the envelope across all the seams and a clear adhesive tape is place over the signatures so that it may not be tampered with. This envelope is to be opened at the end of the reproving.
2- Containers of Remedies to be produced by Helios in UK and sealed so that they may not be tampered with. They should have code identification number and batch numbers.
3- Four weeks before the proving, the remedy will be sent directly by Helios to a laboratory nominated by the re-prover. The cost of any analysis is for the account of re-prover.
4- Little safes to be provided by the provers so that after he has taken the remedy in front of the homeopath, the remedy bottled is locked in the mini-safe and the safe is held by the homoeopath and the key is kept by the prover so that no one tampers with the remedy.
5- On first attending the offices of the supervising homoeopath, the volunteer will bring a statement signed and notarised stating that he is in good health and sound mind and that he is volunteering for this experiment and at no time and under no circumstances will he make any claim whatsoever against anyone associated in any manner with this proving whether directly or indirectly. And also that the master prover is free to reveal the name (but not full address) of the prover when making a final report of the conclusions of the trail and reproving exercise.
6- Before the re-proving, the volunteer's case is taken by the supervisor homoeopath. Only if the volunteer is deemed to in good health the reproving will go ahead.
7- The reproving will commence as early as possible in the morning, with the dose being repeated after every 6 hours until the re-prover starts to complain of symptoms. His symptoms are then taken in full. The re-prover should sign and date the case statement taken by the homoeopath.
8- This is immediately reported to the master re-prover for a decision to be taken regarding whether the proving should go on or be stopped.
9- If the proving continues, at each status monitoring session the patient's statements are recorded by the homoeopath and then signed by the patient and the homoeopath.
10- When the reproving is stopped, The reprover will check the seals of the envelope and make a fresh signed statement that the seals are in tact. The seal is then broken and the remedy is identified.
11- The prover's symptoms are then compared with Clarkes' descriptions of the symptoms produced by the remedy at earlier provings.
12- The reprover then signs another statement stating whether he agrees that a match exists and if not why not (Compared to the symptoms he had signed before).
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Re: Re-Proving Protocol
Soroush
There is already a very exacting protocol for provings, suggested by the
ECCH> This was created after a great deal of collaboration with homeopaths
from around the world. I suggest you review it, to see if it would meet your
needs.
I don't think we need to "prove" ourselves to disbeliving colleages. We must
only get on with doing what we do best- homeopathy.
Melanie Grimes
There is already a very exacting protocol for provings, suggested by the
ECCH> This was created after a great deal of collaboration with homeopaths
from around the world. I suggest you review it, to see if it would meet your
needs.
I don't think we need to "prove" ourselves to disbeliving colleages. We must
only get on with doing what we do best- homeopathy.
Melanie Grimes