curious rubric - arms, clucking

[Joy Lucas]

I have written a small piece on this strange rubric and it is on the
'curious rubrics' page on my site if interested.

Best wishes, Joy
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[Gaby Rottler]

Hi Joy,
concerning the 'clucking' of e.g. Ambra grisea:

This is an especially good example of the difficulties of translating
from German to English.

What sorts of 'clucking' do we have:
HEAD - CLUCKING in
HEAD - PAIN - clucking
EAR - NOISES in - clucking
FACE - CLUCKING
THROAT - CLUCKING sound, esophagus
STOMACH - CLUCKING
ABDOMEN - CLUCKING
ABDOMEN - PAIN - clucking
CHEST - CLUCKING sound
BACK - MOVEMENTS - clucking movements
EXTREMITIES - CLUCKING
EXTREMITIES - PAIN - clucking
GENERALS - CLUCKING

The original German word is 'Glucksen'. Now this word NOWADAYS describes
a special noise.
But in the old times this word had MANY more meanings
- sobbing, sighing
- belching
- a sound like suppressed laughter
- gurgling

And when describing a pain it meant:
a pulsating, throbbing pain (especially like that from a purulent or
healing wound), e.g fingers, or in teeth pain.

[Most modern German Homoeopaths won't know that, except when they have
old dictionaries and have dealt with the old language. Only few German
articles or comments deal with this topic].

The original symptom you referred to for Ambr was:
Extremities, clucking in arm

This symptom is taken from the MMP.

So here clearly we would have to use the pain definition for the arm: a
pulsating, throbbing pain in the arm.

Best,

Gaby

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Gaby Rottler
Germany
rottler@curantur.de

http://www.curantur.de
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[Joy Lucas]

Many thanks Gaby, very interesting. Originally i thought this clucking
meant a noise that can be made with the arms flapped against the body
and air being pushed out. But considering Ambra grisea is such a
jerking, twitching and cramping remedy then this is how I understand
the clucking - as a movement that comes from pain. And the pain in
Ambra is most definitely pulsating as you say - often linked with
numbness. Would it be possible that the pulsating could refer to a
movement as well, a rhythmic twitching, so to speak? Many thanks again,
best wishes, Joy

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[Lynn Cremona]

sometime ago I also was looking for some clarification on the Clucking rubric
I have found using it for pulsating or throbbing type symptoms to be helpful

I received a reply from:

Steven Decker:
Gluckern = gurgling it was mistranslated as clucking which is glucken.

There is only one reference to it in the Chronic Diseases.
In Reference works we found 287 references to clucking in 73 remedies.
Without the German we have no way of determining the meaning other than
contextual use - clucking in the patella, the coccyx, in the scapula,
clucking pain, etc. The OED does not give any obsolete or rare
definition of clucking that would shed further light on this subject.

I mean we only found one reference to clucking in the theoretical part of
CD. The Materia Medica part we don't have scanned of course.
Steven Decker
and from
the Radar group:
2/8/00
I am An Aerts, and I work for Frederik Schroyens on additions and
corrections of the source Synthesis.

Frederik forwarded your e-mail to me regarding "clucking".

Our German collaborator is doing a long analysis on "clucking" and similar
rubrics. This analysis is still in progress.

The problem is the translation of the German word "Glucksen", with
different meanings in different situations.

I think in Extremities it is more a "bubbling sensation" or a "pulsating
sensation".

We hope to make the meaning clear in the next Synthesis version.

Kind regards
An
Lynn
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[GEastwood]

Could "gluckern" ("clucking" as translated) be cracking? The noise that you
get it your neck, your jaw, etc, like the noise from a chiropractic
adjustment, but spontaneous and sometimes it hurts? I've experienced plenty
of pain of with this kind of noise, but I've never had (or had described to
me) a gurgling pain in the patela, the coccyx, the scapula, etc. Is
"clucking" pain usually skeletal, related to bone alignment?

Gail