Hi Shannon,
Saturday, September 10, 2005, 12:46:58 PM, you wrote:
RSN> What do you do in the "community workshops"?
The main educational ones run for 2 1/2 hours each week for 3 weeks.
Week 1 deals with common remedies for trauma and first aid.
Week 2 looks at remedies for simple acutes
Week 3 looks at some of the mental emotional states associated with
the polycrests.
The above remedy component of each workshop would only take up about
1/2 - 3/4 hr. The bulk of the time is spent covering history, theory
and philosophy issues such as vitalism, L of S, historical development
of potentisation, theories of homeopathic action, aggravations,
sensitives, dosage and potency, direction of cure, suppression, return
of old symptoms, liquid vs pilule, case-taking, when to self treat and
when to see a practitioner, etc. What I try to create is homeopathic
thinking and an awareness that homeopathy is not about using
potentised substances in an allopathic manner. I guess they would be a
crash course in first year homeopathy and I make them available for
free.
There is a fourth wrkshop in week 4 for those who have been bitten by
the bug and want to start using homeopathy in the home. It provides
further info and practise on turning pilules into liquids, frequency
of dosage, different potency scales, response to the remedy,
sensitivity, etc.
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Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
Re[2]: Return Rate (was scientific studies)
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Re: Re[2]: Return Rate (was scientific studies)
Hi Chris,
Sunday, September 11, 2005, 3:12:50 PM, you wrote:
CG> I use a 3 day test dose too, (single day test dose if the patient displays
CG> excessive hypersensitivity in the case history).
CG> I ask patients to phone
CG> back at a scheduled time one week after the previous consultation. This
CG> means 3 days of dosing, 4 days of no dosing, then phone me. Of course, if
CG> there is any undue concern they can ring me before that time.
I use a test dose (single) rather than test doses (multiple). I do
this to see the effect of one exposure to the remedy as I find this
gives me the clearest info for frequency of followup doses. I treat
the single dose as the minimum dose. I will also use info from the
strength of their reaction to decide how much I vary dilutions and
succussions from my standard dosage instructions.
If the person notices absolutely nothing I will put them on a daily
dose until the next appointment (in two weeks)with instructions to
phone me if there is a rapid improvement or any concerns.
If they do react to the remedy (ie - symptom improvement at any
level/area)I will dose according to the duration of the improvement.
If they improved for one day before relapse I will have them dose
daily or 2nd daily, depending on how broad the improvement was -
starting to get into "gut instinct" here.
If they improve for 2 days before relapse I will have them dose every
2nd or 3rd day - again depending.
If they are still improved at the 3 day phone call, I will tell them
to take nothing and phone upon relapse and then work out frequency of
redose accordingly.
Probably 1 or 2 out of 10 will go onto a daily dose. 1 or 2 out of 10
will be told to take nothing and to phone on relapse. The remainder go
onto a 2 x week or 3 x week dose. I find it easier for them to
remember to consistently dose on either Mon and Thurs or Mon, Wed, and
Fri rather than to be told to dose every 2nd or every 3rd day. Also,
the longer break between doses over the weekend gives me info on how
well they are holding with the remedy and if the dose needs to be
reduced or increased, or potency changed.
I find that single doses also makes it easy for the patient to judge
when they need to change their own dosage frequency once they have
understood the ground rules. Some of those morning phone calls are to
tell me "I am just about to change how often I take the remedy because
...." and they are right! I love this because it shows that they are
really understanding and enjoying the elegance of homeopathy.
CG> I've found that any slight aggravation from a dose is likely to occur
CG> immediately, or in the first hour or so, after administration of the remedy
CG> and quickly passes off, and these are the primary effects of the remedy.
CG> Once the test dose has been completed by the third day, the next few days of
CG> no dosing are very important to ascertain curative secondary effects. It is
CG> the patient's report of changes that occur due to secondary effects which
CG> tell me how and when they should repeat dosing (if at all), or if my
CG> selection of a remedy is any good. If there is significant or rapid
CG> improvement after dosing has stopped, this excludes repetition. If there is
CG> little or no perceivable change, then repetition can be increased. In each
CG> case, there are always periods of dosing and periods of no dosing. I really
CG> stress to patients that we are trying to establish the minimum dose
CG> necessary to effect a change so that there will be no routine dosing. It's
CG> not really clear from your post how you ascertain a curative effect after 3
CG> doses.
It sounds as if we do similar things with the exception of 1 dose as against
3 doses. Back to work tomorrow. I had better not switch on the email -
very addictive!
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Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
Sunday, September 11, 2005, 3:12:50 PM, you wrote:
CG> I use a 3 day test dose too, (single day test dose if the patient displays
CG> excessive hypersensitivity in the case history).
CG> I ask patients to phone
CG> back at a scheduled time one week after the previous consultation. This
CG> means 3 days of dosing, 4 days of no dosing, then phone me. Of course, if
CG> there is any undue concern they can ring me before that time.
I use a test dose (single) rather than test doses (multiple). I do
this to see the effect of one exposure to the remedy as I find this
gives me the clearest info for frequency of followup doses. I treat
the single dose as the minimum dose. I will also use info from the
strength of their reaction to decide how much I vary dilutions and
succussions from my standard dosage instructions.
If the person notices absolutely nothing I will put them on a daily
dose until the next appointment (in two weeks)with instructions to
phone me if there is a rapid improvement or any concerns.
If they do react to the remedy (ie - symptom improvement at any
level/area)I will dose according to the duration of the improvement.
If they improved for one day before relapse I will have them dose
daily or 2nd daily, depending on how broad the improvement was -
starting to get into "gut instinct" here.
If they improve for 2 days before relapse I will have them dose every
2nd or 3rd day - again depending.
If they are still improved at the 3 day phone call, I will tell them
to take nothing and phone upon relapse and then work out frequency of
redose accordingly.
Probably 1 or 2 out of 10 will go onto a daily dose. 1 or 2 out of 10
will be told to take nothing and to phone on relapse. The remainder go
onto a 2 x week or 3 x week dose. I find it easier for them to
remember to consistently dose on either Mon and Thurs or Mon, Wed, and
Fri rather than to be told to dose every 2nd or every 3rd day. Also,
the longer break between doses over the weekend gives me info on how
well they are holding with the remedy and if the dose needs to be
reduced or increased, or potency changed.
I find that single doses also makes it easy for the patient to judge
when they need to change their own dosage frequency once they have
understood the ground rules. Some of those morning phone calls are to
tell me "I am just about to change how often I take the remedy because
...." and they are right! I love this because it shows that they are
really understanding and enjoying the elegance of homeopathy.
CG> I've found that any slight aggravation from a dose is likely to occur
CG> immediately, or in the first hour or so, after administration of the remedy
CG> and quickly passes off, and these are the primary effects of the remedy.
CG> Once the test dose has been completed by the third day, the next few days of
CG> no dosing are very important to ascertain curative secondary effects. It is
CG> the patient's report of changes that occur due to secondary effects which
CG> tell me how and when they should repeat dosing (if at all), or if my
CG> selection of a remedy is any good. If there is significant or rapid
CG> improvement after dosing has stopped, this excludes repetition. If there is
CG> little or no perceivable change, then repetition can be increased. In each
CG> case, there are always periods of dosing and periods of no dosing. I really
CG> stress to patients that we are trying to establish the minimum dose
CG> necessary to effect a change so that there will be no routine dosing. It's
CG> not really clear from your post how you ascertain a curative effect after 3
CG> doses.
It sounds as if we do similar things with the exception of 1 dose as against
3 doses. Back to work tomorrow. I had better not switch on the email -
very addictive!
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
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Re: Re[2]: Return Rate (was scientific studies)
Hello Shannon,
Sunday, September 11, 2005, 11:12:17 PM, you wrote:
RSN> Fran, Chris and others,
RSN> Are you using LMs only, or also Cs in liquid dose?
RSN> (And do you have any cases where you wind up using dry doses instead?)
As for me, yes, I prescribe both the C's and LM's in liquid doses and
yes, I do at times use dry doses (probably about 5%).
As a generalisation, I like to think of:
1. dry X's and C's,
2. liquid C's,
3. liquid LM's, as
1. good,
2. better, and
3. best,
dependent on the circumstances. Sometimes a dry C wins hands-down.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
Sunday, September 11, 2005, 11:12:17 PM, you wrote:
RSN> Fran, Chris and others,
RSN> Are you using LMs only, or also Cs in liquid dose?
RSN> (And do you have any cases where you wind up using dry doses instead?)
As for me, yes, I prescribe both the C's and LM's in liquid doses and
yes, I do at times use dry doses (probably about 5%).
As a generalisation, I like to think of:
1. dry X's and C's,
2. liquid C's,
3. liquid LM's, as
1. good,
2. better, and
3. best,
dependent on the circumstances. Sometimes a dry C wins hands-down.
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Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
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Re: Re[2]: Return Rate (was scientific studies)
Could you give me any comparisons between dosing with Cs in liquid,
compared with LMs? I'm interested in what you've observed as far as
frequency of repetition (e.g. comparing LM1 and 200c--I assume there
are many patients who could easily use either one), and pace or rhythm
or response, or anything else?
Thanks!
Shannon
compared with LMs? I'm interested in what you've observed as far as
frequency of repetition (e.g. comparing LM1 and 200c--I assume there
are many patients who could easily use either one), and pace or rhythm
or response, or anything else?
Thanks!
Shannon