Louise Rohan published a double blind rct trial of arnica for prophylaxis in dental extraction (Homeopathy in Practice, July 03). Although she admitted that other remedies might be called for in these circ.s she used arnica for the sake of the trial and showed that it improved recovery time and there was less pain, so long as patients did not take aspirin as well, in which case it was all worse. The prescription was one Arnica 30 before the extraction.
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Shannon Nelson
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Theresa Partington
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Re: arnica prophylaxis
I don't know why.
Theresa
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Why before rather than after?
Shannon
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Why before rather than after?
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muthu kumar
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Re: arnica prophylaxis
Nobody goes into an operation with a smiling face... most of the
time the patient has already experienced the operation or dental
extraction in the mind before the actual event... it is almost a
similar situation that prevails after the surgery - though not the
actual trauma- has already been created... this is how prophylaxis
might work... as long as there are no side effects because of the
medicine given - which mostly I would not expect with a dose of
Arnica 30 or Staphysagria - I do not see any harm in the
practice...Even though anecdotal I would still plenty of evidence in
practice and writings for the practice... Even if it works as a
placebo, which I know it certainly is not, we need the patient to
improve...
Why would a prophylaxis be allowed even in epidemics? The fact is in
epidemics whether someone has developed overt symptoms or not -
eveyone commonly shares the infective agent and the body is already
involved in fighting it... so overtly shown or not - or to use the
modern homeopathic terminology "compensated" or "decompensated"- the
individual has already been set up at least minimally for the
prophylactic to work...
For people who believe in prescribing Naja for females wearing a
shiny "snake skin like" dress, or that cats feel like prostitutes-
why should it be a questionable practice to prescribe Arnica before
surgery?
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these
it
patients
The
time the patient has already experienced the operation or dental
extraction in the mind before the actual event... it is almost a
similar situation that prevails after the surgery - though not the
actual trauma- has already been created... this is how prophylaxis
might work... as long as there are no side effects because of the
medicine given - which mostly I would not expect with a dose of
Arnica 30 or Staphysagria - I do not see any harm in the
practice...Even though anecdotal I would still plenty of evidence in
practice and writings for the practice... Even if it works as a
placebo, which I know it certainly is not, we need the patient to
improve...
Why would a prophylaxis be allowed even in epidemics? The fact is in
epidemics whether someone has developed overt symptoms or not -
eveyone commonly shares the infective agent and the body is already
involved in fighting it... so overtly shown or not - or to use the
modern homeopathic terminology "compensated" or "decompensated"- the
individual has already been set up at least minimally for the
prophylactic to work...
For people who believe in prescribing Naja for females wearing a
shiny "snake skin like" dress, or that cats feel like prostitutes-
why should it be a questionable practice to prescribe Arnica before
surgery?
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
03).
these
it
patients
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Fran Sheffield
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Re: arnica prophylaxis
Hello theresa,
Saturday, August 20, 2005, 6:08:53 AM, you wrote:
Hi Theresa,
Did the trial look at whether Paracetamol had the same negative effect
as aspirin?
Thanks.
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Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
Saturday, August 20, 2005, 6:08:53 AM, you wrote:
Hi Theresa,
Did the trial look at whether Paracetamol had the same negative effect
as aspirin?
Thanks.
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Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au
Re: arnica prophylaxis
Some people DO smile at an operation (Munchausens) and there was a hint
of this from the original post that the person has a thing about
operations??
Many provings were carried out using 30c so you can't ever say that
'side effects' won't occur.
Prophylactics come into play when many many people are showing similar
sx and they have have been shown to heal with one rx and then that rx
can be the prophylactic. But the prophylactic will only work on symptom
similarity - why do people keep forgetting that.
Does anyone understand the last paragraph? Oh dear.
Joy
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of this from the original post that the person has a thing about
operations??
Many provings were carried out using 30c so you can't ever say that
'side effects' won't occur.
Prophylactics come into play when many many people are showing similar
sx and they have have been shown to heal with one rx and then that rx
can be the prophylactic. But the prophylactic will only work on symptom
similarity - why do people keep forgetting that.
Does anyone understand the last paragraph? Oh dear.
Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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Peter Graham
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Re: arnica prophylaxis
Every sx should be questionable if there is no symptom similarity so if
Naja fits a case such as you describe so be it - we use what
expressions of what needs to be cured that we can (and that's not a
judgement on 'snake skin like dresses') and as far as I know the
feelings regarding prostitutes and cats, i.e. lac felinum came out in
the proving - so there is nothing wrong with that either. I think what
you've written is misleading. If you want to comment on what I guess is
a reference to essence prescribing then why not do it without mixing it
up with routine and often unnecessary prescribing. Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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Naja fits a case such as you describe so be it - we use what
expressions of what needs to be cured that we can (and that's not a
judgement on 'snake skin like dresses') and as far as I know the
feelings regarding prostitutes and cats, i.e. lac felinum came out in
the proving - so there is nothing wrong with that either. I think what
you've written is misleading. If you want to comment on what I guess is
a reference to essence prescribing then why not do it without mixing it
up with routine and often unnecessary prescribing. Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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muthu kumar
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Re: arnica prophylaxis
Oh Dear!!!
Yes Joy No one understands symptom similarity like you do...esp.the
profound significance of *that* last paragraph; thanks for reminding
us how homeopathically imbecile we are- I stand corrected. I shall
just go on wondering what delusions bird flu viruses might have and
where in the periodic table the remedy lies for my vital nonsense....
similar
rx
symptom
the
prophylaxis
the
evidence in
to
is in
already
the
the
prostitutes-
before
Yes Joy No one understands symptom similarity like you do...esp.the
profound significance of *that* last paragraph; thanks for reminding
us how homeopathically imbecile we are- I stand corrected. I shall
just go on wondering what delusions bird flu viruses might have and
where in the periodic table the remedy lies for my vital nonsense....
similar
rx
symptom
the
prophylaxis
the
evidence in
to
is in
already
the
the
prostitutes-
before
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muthu kumar
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Re: arnica prophylaxis
And is Arnica such a bad thing when the patient is going to bathed
in chemicals and anesthetic gases and injections - come on folks-
get a grip, is all of this OK and Arnica is not?
Why should we think in epidemics prophylaxis could be allowed even
without symptoms? What is the basic assumption - or is it basic
delusion- I know of the collective anamnesis and collective symptoms
and all the jazz...
Remedies like Arnica have been used before symptom similarity and
Hahnemann... and lot of them were used BEFORE any such condition
occurred for which they were indicated as a preventive... Garlic for
example in many cases was used as a general preventive of bronchitis
and TB and is also curative when the conditions occurred... many
cultures have used it so... well of course people would boil my head
for this is a non-homeopathic use...
We all have cases where we give many medicines for the patient
before arriving at the remedy... sometimes we never arrive at the
simillimum - are we not spoiling the cases then? what would Arnica
do to spoil a case that all of this does not?
And we have had cases where Arnica was useful as a PROPHYLACTIC...
as you say Arnica 30 was used in proving and so who knows the
patient is already proving it or whatever and when the insult or
injury occurs some therapeutic protective effect was already in the
making... some of these are only from experience of people and not
necessarily thru proving - and for now there is sufficient anecdotal
evidence to not look down upon such practice...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:
so if
a
in
what
guess is
mixing it
wearing a
prostitutes-
Arnica
in chemicals and anesthetic gases and injections - come on folks-
get a grip, is all of this OK and Arnica is not?
Why should we think in epidemics prophylaxis could be allowed even
without symptoms? What is the basic assumption - or is it basic
delusion- I know of the collective anamnesis and collective symptoms
and all the jazz...
Remedies like Arnica have been used before symptom similarity and
Hahnemann... and lot of them were used BEFORE any such condition
occurred for which they were indicated as a preventive... Garlic for
example in many cases was used as a general preventive of bronchitis
and TB and is also curative when the conditions occurred... many
cultures have used it so... well of course people would boil my head
for this is a non-homeopathic use...
We all have cases where we give many medicines for the patient
before arriving at the remedy... sometimes we never arrive at the
simillimum - are we not spoiling the cases then? what would Arnica
do to spoil a case that all of this does not?
And we have had cases where Arnica was useful as a PROPHYLACTIC...
as you say Arnica 30 was used in proving and so who knows the
patient is already proving it or whatever and when the insult or
injury occurs some therapeutic protective effect was already in the
making... some of these are only from experience of people and not
necessarily thru proving - and for now there is sufficient anecdotal
evidence to not look down upon such practice...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:
so if
a
in
what
guess is
mixing it
wearing a
prostitutes-
Arnica