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Soroush Ebrahimi
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[healthfraud] Hahnemann's Homeopathy site

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Dear Prof Wheeler

I am sorry to advise you that you are incorrect.

The effect was noticed by Hahnemann because he was healthy and did not need
the extract from Cinchona Officinalis.

He tested the effect on himself many times.

He then tested it on his family and friends all to the same effect.

But even if it is based one what you say, so what? It still works!

If you are denying that homoeopathy works, would you please volunteer in a
proving? If there is no effect from these diluted remedies then they will
have no effect on you. But if there is .....

I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards
Soroush Ebrahimi

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Dear David

Thank you for your response:

There is sufficient evidence on the efficacy of Homoeopathy.

As early of 19th century, given as evidence in the House of Commons (UK
Parliament) in the treatment of epidemic cholera. The incredible rate of
cures and survival rates at London homoeopathic hospitals compared to
non-homoeopathic hospitals was sufficient response to doubters. The British
Royal Family have been users since about 1850.
If you are unable to research this directly, then please advise.

There are many things in this world of ours that we do not know how they
work, but we know they work and we take their working for granted and use
their property every day.

I am not interested in the theory of why Homoeopathy should work - but
rather if it does work and how it can be utilised.

As just one example of utilisation Homoeopathy was tried on a herd of dairy
cows suffering from mastitis (infection of the milk glands and ducts).

The herd was divided in to two and separated at random. Each had a trough
fed by the same water pipe.
They were given exactly the same conditions.

The contents of a small bottle was emptied in each. The bottles had been
marked and the reference to the marking was sealed in an envelope.

One contained distilled water. The other contained a homoeopathic remedy
with effectiveness against mastitis.

After some weeks the incidence of mastitis between the two group was
compared.

The incidence in the herd receiving the remedy was only 1 case - the
incidence in the herd with just distilled water was nearly 20.

You cannot fool the cows with the placebo effect and the effectiveness has
been demonstrated.

An experiment was carried out in the early 90's and shown by British TV BBC2
programme QED (That needing proof is proved). This showed that by trying it
on animals, not only it worked, it was not the placebo effect either. I
guess you can still get the video of it. It was on a serious scientific BBC
programme for ALL to see. I would like the pharmaceutical companies to try
it.

Conventional Vets may use antibiotics, but are you willing to drink the milk
of cows after they have been treated by A/B?
And why is it that the mastitis keeps coming back with A/B?
Is that cure or just suppression of symptoms?

You must also appreciate that in Homoeopathy there is a great deal of
individualisation as we treat the whole of the person in disease state and
not the disease by name. So let us say patients seek help for migraines.
Each person's remedy will be individually selected and must cover their
unique mental emotional and physical symptoms. So how can you do a double
blind test other than to say we will give them a sugar pill or the properly
selected remedy (not a fixed remedy). And then you are bringing into
equation the ability of the homoeopath who is taking part in the experiment
in choosing the correct remedy - not always an easy task.

One of my early patients had had migraines for 40 years +. She had been to
all sorts of doctors in different countries seeking help from the
imprisoning headache. No help whatsoever. She was on crippling pain killers
which only managed to lower the intensity of her pain.

Within two months of starting her treatment, she was headache free. In fact
after the first week her CONTINUOUS headache stopped for a few days! So how
was it that my pills worked and for forty years the pills of the
conventional medics had failed. I am NO magician. During the second
consultation (after 4 weeks) she said "It was my wish that I should have two
days headache-free before I died - I have had 14 days!! and NO MORE PAIN
KILLERS"
If these are not sufficient for you, then PLEASE accept my challenge and
volunteer for a proving. It will show you the power of a homoeopathic
remedy. I assure you that you WILL become sick (That is how we find out
about the properties of each of our remedies) and we can predict the
symptoms you will suffer from. But when you recover, you will feel the
better for it.

However, if you say it does not work, you will not become sick. We will see
only if you are brave enough to be prepared to take the challenge.

I very much look forward to hearing your acceptance.

Good health
Soroush


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Dear David

You have totally failed to understand the meaning of individualisation.

It means that of the available remedies - those tried and tested (proved)
one selects the one showing the most similar set of symptoms to that of the
patient.

What it means is that one does not prescribe a single remedy for say
headache or excessive period bleeds, but selects one which matches the
patient.

It is the singer and not the song.

They are available over the counter since a lot of people have learnt how to
use them effectively to treat acutes.
It operate on easily understandable principles - are remedies have not
changed and are safe in safe (trained hands).

I don't wish to engage in length exchanges with you. However, the point
about your engagement in a proving exercise is that you will see that it can
make you ill - so at least one part of the equation is established that
although diluted beyond Av's number they have a function.

Then we will get to the task of showing you that the symptoms you have
started to show in the proving match those reported before.

But if you are not prepared to engage in this activity, then one may be at
liberty to assume that you are not prepared to back your words with your
actions.

Good health to you.

Soroush


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Then bring as many people as you like.

The more the merrier.

You would all be most welcome.

We will show you for SURE that under proving conditions all that
homoeopathic remedies WILL make you all sick.

But I think deep down you are afraid to accept the challenge.
That homeopathic remedies that you say is "water" is going to make you sick
is a challenge - Come on Suck it and see - Literally!!

I am looking forward to you accepting the challenge.

Good health
Soroush


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Colleagues,

They are on the run!!!!


Ahmed N. Currim
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Re: [healthfraud] Hahnemann's Homeopathy site

Post by Ahmed N. Currim »

Dear Saroush:
Re. the fifth para of your note: I am not interested in the theory...etc.
This is very well taken and actually scientific.
Sir Issac Newton had the same attitude re Gravity. He took the position that
the reason for the gravitational attraction between masses was known only to
the Creator; but if Newton could find and understand the law of attraction
and then use it for practical purposes, such as to explain observed
phenomena it would be a great advance. to this end he postulated his famous
hypothesis; F= GmM/R2 as the mathematical expression for the force of
attraction between two bodies of masses m,and M whose distance of separation
is R. Using this postulate and some simple mathematics he was able to
calculate the orbits of the planets around the sun which calculations were
in perfect aggrement with the telescopic observations of Kepler, thereby
showing the validity of his postulated equation.We do not know till today
WHY the sun exerts a gravitational pull on the earth.Yet we calculate the
orbits of the satelites we launch; their escape velocity etc. etc.with
Newton's equation.

In the same manner Hahnemann did not know all the causes of disease (and we
still do NOT know them all); but he reasoned if I could find an "equation"
that would enable me to cure sick folks that would be wonderful for man. Hn
adopted the same scientific method as Newton and his equation was the Law of
Similars. Hn proceeded just as Newton did. We have a totally scientific
method for curing disease. Take the symptoms of the case; follow the
principles for their heirarchy and use the Law to get curative results.

Unfortunately the mass public are not educated enough to reason in the
scientific way and waste their lives in endless arguments; instead of
putting the Law to test by their experience. Perhaps Mr David can think
about it. If he does not want to verify the truth for himself; wish him good
health and good bye.
Kind regards. You are very patient and kind to him.

Ahmed Currim

I am not interested in the theory of why Homoeopathy should work - but
rather if it does work and how it can be utilised.


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