Avian Influenza; Human / 'Bird Flu', SARS- Biowarfare or Propagand

[Jennifer Ruby]

Joy,

Your comments about the mutations is correct. I appreciate your objective
views on this situation. This is apparently not just in the China and the
east, but a friend of mine in Van Couver is reporting massive amounts of
bird deaths there as long as a year ago! Health Canada is apparently
preparing for an epidemic. So, this may be even closer than China.

I have an excellent book called The Homeopathic Treatment of Influenza by
Sandra J. Perko, Ph.D., C.C.N.. ISBN # 0-9653187-1-0 , Benchmark
Homeopathic Publications 14947 Forward Pass San Antonio, TX 78248-0918
benchmarkpub@stic.net The thing that makes this particular book so
helpful, is that it breaks the remedy selection down by the predominant
symptom. It deals mainly with the Spanish Flu, so some of the mutations
are not necessarily the same (such as some of the Ebola symptoms) but this
is a good book to have on hand.

My friend who does genome research wrote me the following as a further
explanation of this situation. I felt it was helpful in understanding the
way this pathogen works. Her comments follow:

"The influenza viruses have been blessed with eight, as opposed to one piece
of genome for most human and animal viruses. That is, every single virus
particle has eight different sections of genome, each of which carry a
different function.

When they talk about all these types and sub-types and strains etc...there
are major categories yes. What seems to be happening now for instance, with
the highly pathogenic H5N1 type that they found in the many dead birds at
the sanctuary lake in central China - is that even with that type, they
found 10 different strains.

It is well-known that with many strains of influenza viruses, wild waterfowl
are silent carriers. The virus does not make them sick but still builds up
to high levels in their bodies, and gets shed into watercourses. The
waterfowl ones that are getting sick in Russia and China are undoubtedly
victims of strain(s) that experienced natural recombination events.

A couple things can happen that cause all this variation. Many people think
of a "mutation" as a virus or bacteria adding or subtracting some DNA (or
RNA, in the case of influenza and many other viruses). It's good to
remember though, that quite often point mutations occur...this does not
change the length of the genome per se, but can quite alter the activity of
a protein that might be produced from that genome. For example, it could
make the virus able to dock on a mammalian or human cell receptor, as
opposed to only a bird cell receptor. Or, it might make a virus that used
to affect only respiratory type cells, also able to dock on nerve cells.

Another mechanism that can often happen with influenza viruses, is that you
might have two different viruses circulating in the same bird, lets say for
example H3N1 and H5N2. In that situation, some of those 8 genome pieces
mentioned above can get intermixed with each other, and you might end up in
this case, with H3N2 and H5N1. Now, H5N1 is known to be capable of causing
havoc in humans, but especially if there are also some specific point
mutations in a couple other of the segments.

So now, when you see news reports of H5N1 cases in humans causing a milder
form of illness, yes that can be true. But there can also be a different
H5N1 strain(s) which can cause rapidly progressing, serious illness...as has
been seen in some human cases in Asia this past year. Certainly not as many
serious cases as mild cases. But the concern is that the more serious
strain(s) of H5N1 will acquire a point mutation or experience a
recombination episode, which would allow rapid transmittal among humans.
The more H5N1 that is circulating among birds, animals (yes there have been
mammalian clusters), and humans, the easier it is for recombination episodes
to happen that would allow easy transmittal of a serious strain. And THAT
is what all the fuss is about. "

Hope this is helpful.

Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2

Jennifer Ruby

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[Joy Lucas]

Go to

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/minutus/

and then click on messages - here you will probably be asked for your
password, type that in, then you will be into all the messages and you
can either click on all of July's and work through or choose one of the
more recent ones and work backwards with the 'previous' or 'next' icons

Best wishes, Joy
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[Joy Lucas]

This pertains almost to what we know as post viral syndrome then where
the acute develops into a chronic condition except that with this so
called avian 'flu the acute semi lurks for a short period and then
returns with even more voracity. This renders the notion of
'suddenness' a bit suspect maybe. I have to say I haven't had the time
to do much research on the prevailing sx. If there is biowarfare
involved we should hold back on the influenza title I suppose.
Best, Joy
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[muthu kumar]

Since I am not good at Virus Psychiatry I cannot say what kind of
delusions avian virus might have

About 10 years back I wrote an article on Homeopathic approach to
Ebola Fever and if I get hold of that I shall post here...
Ebola Fever being a hemorrhagic fever and even in pathology
resembling Yellow fever many of the remedies indicated for Yellow
fever might be useful... I think I suggested Anthracinum and Lachesis
as the main medicines. The bird flu cases look similar to typhoid (
Fever diarrhoea cough) and Baptisia, Pyrogen, Ailanthus,Carb.veg also
might be indicated... Ars, Phos, Apis, Arnica are all indicated when
you have septicemia...
In knerr there is a rubric on Fever- yellow fever... It is dealt with
as Primary stage, Secondary stage and tertiary stage and the
indicated remedies are given... Richard Hughes (Therpapeutics) and
Raue(Pathology?) have written about this... I think Hughes considers
Phos as the main remedy for Yellow fever and given the liver
pathology involved that might bve true...

homeopathy had very good results with Yellow fever and so
theoretically is capable of tackling this...

Whatever is the differential diagnosis for the bird flu( dengue,
typhoid, malaria etc)- the remedies that are prime candidates for the
list of diseases in differential diagnosis for bird flu would be
indicated as well... which means ( in case of Dengue) Eup, Gels would
also be indicated...given the violence and rapidity of the
progression - snake poisons would probably remain the main
contenders... lachesis, Crotalus and even Tarentula should be
considered... Knerr mentions Lachesis for the primary stage of Yellow
fever as well... given the toxicity and weakness various acids should
also be indicated...Carbolic Acid?
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[Joy Lucas]

Getting quite speculative now until the recent new sx start coming in.
I thought the respiratory system was always involved (not the case with
yellow fever) but if the new 'flu is haemorrhagic you'd want to be
including Ipecac, some of the ammoniums and ferrums.
Does this render this disease of tubercular origin?

Best wishes, Joy
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[muthu kumar]

I was comparing Ebola and Yellow fever not avian flu..yes Ipecac and
even Corallium seem indicated...Yellow fever with dyspnea is once
again Lachesis...
Yes possibly tubercular-- but considering the destruction it also
leans toward syphilitic...

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[Ellen Madono]

Does it matter that the carriers before they get to humans are birds?

[Joy Lucas]

I don't think we know for sure that the carriers are birds. Best, Joy
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[Jennifer Ruby]

Some of then are pigs!

Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers 3John 2

Jennifer Ruby

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

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