Siddha and Ayurveda as Homeopathy

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I know of no practice that recommends dwelling on the negative aspects
of life a s a means of enlightenment.
However there is nothing to stop us starting one up!

Oh hang on , didn't Andy Warhol already do that?( wasn't nihilism his
thing?)

BTW I said 'potential' not ability. It might be a fine line, but....


Simon

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

> Simon:
To reiterate the simple point I was making, which is that I do not
concur with those that believe that the practice of Kundalini is
dangerous and I do not believe that any other spiritual practices are
inherently dangerous either.

I was of course, and as should have been obvious from the context,
referring exclusively to spiritual practices, not sexual practices,
culinary practices, or driving practices, all of which can be dangerous
if one is not careful. For example, certain sexual practices could
could lead to injury if one of the ropes snapped, certain culinary
practices could lead to singed eyebrows if one used too much brandy and
certain driving practices could lead to loss of life if one were
pissed.

I do however add the proviso that of those practices that fall under
the 'spiritual' banner, there may be exceptions where they could be
considered dangerous; where for example it was recommended to cut the
underneath of the tongue ( as recommended in the linked text of the
original post). There are other obvious examples of where it can be
dangerous e.g. when spiritual practice translates as religious
fanaticism.

I don't think i used the word 'spirituality' but 'spiritual practice'.
I used this in a specific context and think that if we are to discuss
semantics it could perhaps be a new topic. Expression of love between
two (or more) people is not something i am prejudiced about in the
slightest, I assure you.

Simon

[Venkat]

Dear Leela , Hahnemannian,

Ayurvedha, Homeopathy and Yoga sail in the same boat
when they speak of dosha,Vital force, Energy and
meditational effects (transformation). They have only
one thing in common. It is they cannot be proved-
atleast with what the scientists demand.

Yoga- lierally meaning the union - of the spirit with
the infinite brahman, is a very pleasant one provided
one is doing them at their lower echelons. The
kumbhaka, the retaining of breath, is a dangerous
exercise as madness, stroke and many incurable
complications may arise.Almost all the modern gurus
shy away from this and do not teach this to pupils.
Only those masters who are training true Raja Yogis
and who have renounced materials use this breathing.
As for my personal experience, I get into a rage
whenever I try meditating or breathing (even though I
got trained and also teach others). Some say it is
your pent up ones . Others say that the exercise is
counterproductive. One Ayueved doc said that bilious
people always react that way to yogic practices !
Regards
venkat
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:26:23 -0000
From: "doctorleelah2h"
Subject: Re: Siddha and Ayurveda as Homeopathy

Hi Hahnemannian,
Thanks for your explanation.
Any energy is not to be trifled with, is what I
believe.
I was interested in specifically what JAgannath was
saying as people
need to realise learning a fancy new theory does not
automatically
mean that they ahve to try out these methods for
"altered states of
consciouness".
There is much about energies in the universe that we
have no spiritual
knowlege about - and its important to be wary or else
extremely
cautious and not just get into something on a FAD.
Especially when not
properly trained.
It leaves ones soul open to destructive influence of
energies in the
"universe" whcih can be very difficult to deal with in
the long term

The parallel to homeopathy is in no way intended to
make a
"connection" between the two.
My intention is to place the same sense of caution in
using
homeopathic remedies based on illdefined methods and
procedures that
are not properly mastered, which play with the vital
force and its
"patterns and disturbenaces" and leave indelible
imprints of disease
and suppression that cannot be undone in the long
term.
Even provings can cause these longterm effects on the
vital force if
one is not careful in the dosings.
THanks,
D.r leela
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[doctorleelah2h]

You two are too funny!
LOL
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[muthu kumar]

I did not read the linked text...I was talking about what I know of
personally- Cutting tongue is dangerous whatever it is part of -
not necessarily Kundalini...

I have practically seen that Kundalini and other yogic practices can
aggravate people's problems - may be some of them preexisted - but
my take is Kundalini being something like a higher consciousness-
until and otherwise you are stable minded and kind of balanced in
your normal consciousness - attempting this might be harmful. I also
believe that whether the energy patterns of homeopathy and Kundalini
are similar or different - Kundalini deals with this energy much
more specifically and directly and so - its practice should be
undertaken much more carefully even more than with Homeopathy. You
can probably do self-help with homeopathy or start practising it
from a book - not so with Kundalini.

If you do not concede this it is your opinion - I do not have
anything against your having a different opinion... may be your
experience is different...

It is like saying because wild elephants have the potential to be
trained ( they have their acupuncture points etc), training them is
not dangerous...training them is possible but is done methodically -
you just do not go up to them and press on different points to see
which works... there may be points which can hurt it as well as hurt
you...and you just do not learn them from books...

I have treated yogis and other people in all modes of treatment - in
my hypnotic , homeopathic and allopathic practice...they are not
beyond illness or any systems of medicine...
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[doctorleelah2h]

Right, Venkat, thanks for sharing your experience!

I wonder if people initiated into varous "spiritual practices" are
forewarned about the dangers if they did not stick to the rules.

The very fact that homeopathy cannot be clearly proven in the present
day leaves us already dealing with a science one has to treat with
respect while following the principles with a conscience.

There are many new ideas about 'homeopathy' floating about today, that
have very little to so with the first 7 aphorisms of the ORganon that
each homeopath must strictly follow. People seem to be basing their
whole practice of homeopathy on $9.
Everything becomes acceptable - the end justifies the means...

I still await Jagannath's explanations on the dangers associated with
Kundalini - if it hasn't been answered yet.
My knowledge is very basic in this regard.
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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

What wasn't too difficult?
Sorry you've lost me.

Unless you mean applying KY jelly?

Simon

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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I too have seen people who have come a cropper from excessive or
fanatic adherence to certain practices and have ended up in hospital
but this was invariably diet related. Otherwise the only people I have
seen require treatment whilst undertaking a spiritual discipline have
been those who were not stable prior to their taking it up. I have
never seen it throw someone who was compos mentis in tthe first place
even though they might have had problems prior to or during their
discipline (better not call it 'practice' ).

I do not mean that spiritual discipline is a walk in the park, there
can be huge hurdles to overcome, This is not the same as it being
harmful. it certainly requires unswerving commitment and most
importantly guidance.

I'm afraid your analogy of elephants doesn't work for me, I think I
understand what you're trying to say but I have the perspective that it
is inherent in all humanity, this potential, and if we have the true
desire to experience what already exists in our heart and have the
divine grace to have such a gift bestowed upon us as can show us, then
we can begin to fulfill our human potential.

In other words when the seeker, the thirst, the possibility, and the
teacher come together, it can happen.

I agree with you on the point that few, if any , are beyond illness or
any system of medicine

I think we may get too off topic for this list if we progess this
discussion in a direction other than of saying homeopathy can treat
anyone suffering irrespective of their level of awareness.
Simon