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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

Hi Joy

Does your assertion then not imply that, no matter the situation, if
you cannot find the single remedy (for whatever reason) you must either
completely give up homeopathy, or do nothing.

Do any other classical practitioners agree that the prescription for
this case is not homeopathy?
(case reposted below for reference)
Do others agree that if we practice like this once, then we should
always practice this way?
If so, why?

I am very interested in the opinion of others who practice classically,
on this question

Also what shall we call this method used in this case, (where
something, whatever it is called, successfully has been given), so we
all know what were talking about?

Can we apply whatever nomenclature is agreed upon for this to all
methodologies that are not homeopathy, or should there be a separate
one for each 'other' method?
Simon
repost of case in question:
from JenniferRuby,
"I've seen High potency Staphlytoxinum and Staphlycoccus from Dolisos
with
very good success cuppled with Pyrogenum - 200C.
This was a case of a man who had been on ineffectual month long IV of
Leviquin antibiotics. After a month the doc decided it wasn't working
and
chose to amputate. The wife was hysterical and wanted to try
homeopathy.
Using these remedies orally along with soaking in Epsom Salts twice
daily,
using hydrogen peroxide, then olive oil with Essential oil of Oregano
oil...
and a FIR (Far Infrared Heat Lamp) for an hour twice daily...

In ONE Week, it was totally healed from inside out. The doctor was
shocked! When this was begun, the area on the leg was the size that
required a bandage the size of a oversized Kotex to cover it
completely. In
one week, he was released to return to work.

This is a man who has little for an immune system. He has a genetic
condition called Common Variable Immune Deficiency, which means
significant
parts of their DNA relating to Immunity are vastly compromised. I'd
imagine
that with someone who had a normal immune system, it may even work
better!

[Magda Aguila]

HI Simon,

I am not Joy, but I see no reason to use several remedies at once in this
case. We have a vast MM and thousands of remedies available to us. There
is ONE remedy that best fits this case, and only ONE remedy should be given.
This is one of the foundations of Homeopathy: The single remedy!

Any other deviation from the single remedy can be used, of course, but the
point is, that it is NOT Homeopathy!

Using Homeopathic remedies to treat patients does not equate to "Homeopathic
treatment". Homeopathy has some very clear, well established and proven
principles. The single remedy, the minimal dose, the potentized medicine
and, of course, the remedy MOST SIMILAR to the patient's symptoms. Any time
that a patient is treated in a manner that does not follow these cardinal
principles, it is NOT Homeopathy.

I think that is the point Joy was trying to make.

Magda Aguila
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[Joy Lucas]

Crikey mate where do you get that idea!

You give the best indicated rx and given time if that doesn't work then
you try the next all the time studying the case making sure your
details are correct - you have to think on the hoof, be quick and
confident and if necessary keep trying the next indicated remedy (as
long as potency and dose have been given due consideration). If you
can't find the single remedy after that then you get help or whatever
(as healers we are not likely to do nothing), but if you are prepared
to give more than one rx at a time you might as well give every rx in
the book.

Poly pharmacy (which is the term that has and should be used) isn't
homeopathy.

I don't see what the difference is with this case to any other. It
might well pertain to the epidemic genre where one remedy predominates
in many cases but it will still be just the one rx.

best, Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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[Shannon Nelson]

I would say this case was managed "naturapathically" (a happily broad
category!), including homeopathic remedies.

I have to disagree with Joy's assertion that if you do something once,
you might as well do it every time... When I had a toddler striding
out into traffic, I shrieked, jumped, and swatted. This is not my
usual or preferred parenting technique.

There *are* medical situations where even minutes matter. If one has
the sureness to *know* that either the first remedy given will work, or
that there is time to try and second or third if it does not, then I
would certainly go with the usual approach of one remedy at a time.
But if not, I would be willing to make exception.

And if I practice as an "herbalist" (or counsellor, or plumber) on some
occasions, I do not no way think that makes me an "herbalist (or
counsellor, or plumber), not a homeopath".

But I do agree, the prescription for this case is "not homeopathy"--I
would call it naturapathy, or "natural medicine", or something like
that...
Shannon

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

Hi Magda,

yes I did understand Joy's point and see that you agree with it; I was
asking about the ramifications of that point in light of such a case,
and the other questions I posed.
Simon

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

#from your comment here: "But if you give more than one rx
# might as well always do it surely equates to 'might as well always
do not-homeopathy' ergo give up homeopathy.
?/

Simon

[Joy Lucas]

Oh come on Shannon, we are writing about prescribing homeopathic
remedies not parenting techniques.

But that aside you are saying you would be prepared to give a
combination of rx - how many at a time, 2, 10, 50? What if some of
these rx are inimical to each other, what about the harm that a wrong
rx can do. This 'I'm not sure but I'll give it anyway just in case'
approach is very disturbing and really should be discouraged.

Another point I would make here is that far too many homeopaths DON'T
prescribe for acutes, let alone real emergencies. This is an area we
all need to work more at and I firmly believe all students should
concentrate on practising acutes for as long as possible (and all other
homeopaths as well for that matter).

Best, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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[Joy Lucas]

Not at all - my inference was that if there is one time to give poly
pharmacy then ALL situations could call for it, i.e. good for one
situation means that it is ok to do this. And I deplore this approach.
I have no idea where the 'give up homeopathy' comes from?

Can I also ask that with these quick replies, i.e. busy threads,
everyone cuts out all the repeated info which is longer than most of
the posts.
Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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[Shannon Nelson]

I'm into metaphors! I assume you did get my not-too-subtle point --
some situations do call for a flexible approach. Re your questions
about giving inimicals together, and "how many at a time", those are
silly question and you know what my answers would be, so all I'll say
is that I'd use my best judgment, according to the situation. (The ol'
individualization thing.)

I heartily agree about the value and importance of treating acutes!
It's a *terrific* way to really get a feel for remedies' action, and
IMO should be an indispensable part of "patient management" and
"patient education"! Plus, to not be willing or able to step in when
the patient needs you the *most*, well, not good, IMO, and not very
confidence inspiring!

[Joy Lucas]

They are not silly questions at all (not purposefully directed at you
anyway, just answering the broader spectrum), but very real concerns.

For what it's worth imho the Pyrogen seems to have been the most useful
and as this rx has a very speedy reaction it would have been ok to have
tried this first and if no progress within a short while another rx
could have been tried.

Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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